How to Adjust to Climate Change

Kinda makes sense the scientist does.

Coop,

The push for cars with better mpg was about saving the planet, not feeding the black hole of government spending. When a revenue shortfall happens, which is every year here, the govt can simply raise the per mile fee to make up the loss. We already pay for the roads with the gas tax, and we have the 2nd highest in the nation. So 48 other states are doing it cheaper than we are.

If you think I am wrong, come down to Figueroa and Hill, where a jaywalking ticket is $250.

Since raising taxes is nearly impossible due to public outcry, the government just makes up the difference with $600 red light camera tickets and $75 expired meter tickets.

The city and state is dirt broke, how else do you think they plan to pay off several hundred billions of dollars of debt ? You think they will go for one huge tax grab ? Course not, it’s a slow bloodletting, a little here, a little there.

Effects of anthropogenic climate change from news stories:

Agricultural land increase, Africa devastated, African aid threatened, air pressure changes, Alaska reshaped, allergies increase, Alps melting, Amazon a desert, American dream end, amphibians breeding earlier, amphibians not breeding, ancient forests dramatically changed, Antarctic grass flourishes, anxiety, algal blooms, Arctic bogs melt, Asthma, atmospheric defiance, atmospheric circulation modified, avalanches reduced, avalanches increased, bananas destroyed, bananas grow, better beer, billions of deaths, bird distributions change, birds return early, blackbirds stop singing, blizzards, blue mussels return, boredom, Britain Siberian, British gardens change, bubonic plague, budget increases, building season extension, bushfires, business opportunities, business risks, butterflies move north.

Cardiac arrest, caterpillar biomass shift, Cholera, civil unrest, cloud increase, cloud stripping, cod go south, cold climate creatures survive, cold spells, coral bleaching, coral reefs dying, coral reefs grow, coral reefs shrink, cost of trillions, crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems, cyclones, damages equivalent to $200 billion, Dengue hemorrhagic fever, dermatitis, desert advance, desert life threatened, desert retreat, destruction of the environment, diarrhoea, disappearance of coastal cities, diseases move north, Dolomites collapse, drought, drowning people, ducks and geese decline, dust bowl in the corn belt.

Early spring, earlier pollen season, Earth biodiversity crisis, Earth dying, Earth even hotter, Earth light dimming, Earth lopsided, Earth melting, Earth morbid fever, Earth on fast track, Earth past point of no return, Earth slowing down, Earth spinning out of control, Earth to explode, earth upside down, Earth wobbling, earthquakes, El NiZo intensification, erosion, emerging infections, encephalitis, Europe simultaneously baking and freezing, evolution accelerating, expansion of university climate groups, extinctions (human, civilisation, logic, Inuit, smallest butterfly, cod, ladybirds, bats, pandas, pikas, polar bears, pigmy possums, gorillas, koalas, walrus, whales, frogs, toads, turtles, orang-utan, elephants, tigers, plants, salmon, trout, wild flowers, woodlice, penguins, a million species, half of all animal and plant species, less, not polar bears), experts muzzled, extreme changes to California.

Famine, farmers go under, figurehead sacked, fish catches drop, fish catches rise, fish stocks decline, five million illnesses, floods, Florida economic decline, food poisoning, food prices rise, food security threat (SA), footpath erosion, forest decline, forest expansion, frosts, fungi invasion, Garden of Eden wilts, genetic diversity decline, gene pools slashed, glacial retreat, glacial growth, glacier wrapped, global cooling, global dimming, glowing clouds, Gore omnipresence, grasslands wetter, Great Barrier Reef 95% dead, Great Lakes drop, greening of the North, Gulf Stream failure, habitat loss, Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, harvest increase, harvest shrinkage, hay fever epidemic, hazardous waste sites breached, heat waves, hibernation ends too soon, hibernation ends too late, human fertility reduced, human health improvement, human health risk, hurricanes, hydropower problems, hyperthermia deaths.

Ice sheet growth, ice sheet shrinkage, inclement weather, infrastructure failure, Inuit displacement, Inuit poisoned, Inuit suing, industry threatened, infectious diseases, insurance premium rises, invasion of midges, island disappears, islands sinking, itchier poison ivy, jellyfish explosion, Kew Gardens taxed, krill decline, lake and stream productivity decline, landslides, landslides of ice at 140 mph, lawsuits increase, lawsuit successful, lawyers? income increased (surprise, surprise!), lightning related insurance claims, little response in the atmosphere, Lyme disease.

Malaria, malnutrition, Maple syrup shortage, marine diseases, marine food chain decimated, marine dead zone, Meaching (end of the world), megacryometeors, Melanoma, methane emissions from plants, methane burps, melting permafrost, Middle Kingdom convulses, migration, migration difficult (birds), microbes to decompose soil carbon more rapidly, more bad air days, more research needed, mountain (Everest) shrinking, mountains break up, mountains taller, mudslides, next ice age, Nile delta damaged, no effect in India, nuclear plants bloom, oaks move north, ocean acidification, outdoor hockey threatened, oyster diseases, ozone loss, ozone repair slowed, ozone rise.

Pacific dead zone, personal carbon rationing, pest outbreaks, pests increase, phenology shifts, plankton blooms, plankton destabilised, plankton loss, plant viruses, plants march north, polar bears aggressive, polar bears cannibalistic, polar bears drowning, polar bears starve, polar tours scrapped, psychosocial disturbances, railroad tracks deformed, rainfall increase, rainfall reduction, refugees, reindeer larger, release of ancient frozen viruses, resorts disappear, rice yields crash, rift on Capitol Hill, rioting and nuclear war, rivers raised, rivers dry up, rockfalls, rocky peaks crack apart, roof of the world a desert, Ross river disease.

Salinity reduction, salinity increase, Salmonella, salmon stronger, sea level rise, sea level rise faster, sex change, sharks booming, shrinking ponds, ski resorts threatened, slow death, smog, snowfall increase, snowfall reduction, societal collapse, songbirds change eating habits, sour grapes, spiders invade Scotland, squid population explosion, squirrels reproduce earlier, spectacular orchids, stormwater drains stressed.

Taxes, tectonic plate movement, terrorism, ticks move northward (Sweden), tides rise, tourism increase, trade winds weakened, tree beetle attacks, tree foliage increase (UK), tree growth slowed, trees could return to Antarctic, trees less colourful, trees more colourful, tropics expansion, tropopause raised, tsunamis, turtles lay earlier, UK Katrina, Venice flooded, volcanic eruptions.

Walrus pups orphaned, war, wars over water, water bills double, water supply unreliability, water scarcity (20% of increase), water stress, weather out of its mind, weather patterns awry, weeds, Western aid cancelled out, West Nile fever, whales move north, wheat yields crushed in Australia, white Christmas dream ends, wildfires, wind shift, wind reduced, wine - harm to Australian industry, wine industry damage (California), wine industry disaster (US), wine - more English wine -German wine boon, no more French wine, winters in Britain colder, wolves eat more moose, wolves eat less, workers laid off, World bankruptcy, World in crisis, Yellow fever.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Effects of anthropogenic climate change from news stories:

Agricultural land increase, Africa devastated, African aid threatened, air pressure changes, Alaska reshaped, allergies increase, Alps melting, Amazon a desert, American dream end, amphibians breeding earlier, amphibians not breeding, ancient forests dramatically changed, Antarctic grass flourishes, anxiety, algal blooms, Arctic bogs melt, Asthma, atmospheric defiance, atmospheric circulation modified, avalanches reduced, avalanches increased, bananas destroyed, bananas grow, better beer, billions of deaths, bird distributions change, birds return early, blackbirds stop singing, blizzards, blue mussels return, boredom, Britain Siberian, British gardens change, bubonic plague, budget increases, building season extension, bushfires, business opportunities, business risks, butterflies move north.

Cardiac arrest, caterpillar biomass shift, Cholera, civil unrest, cloud increase, cloud stripping, cod go south, cold climate creatures survive, cold spells, coral bleaching, coral reefs dying, coral reefs grow, coral reefs shrink, cost of trillions, crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems, cyclones, damages equivalent to $200 billion, Dengue hemorrhagic fever, dermatitis, desert advance, desert life threatened, desert retreat, destruction of the environment, diarrhoea, disappearance of coastal cities, diseases move north, Dolomites collapse, drought, drowning people, ducks and geese decline, dust bowl in the corn belt.

Early spring, earlier pollen season, Earth biodiversity crisis, Earth dying, Earth even hotter, Earth light dimming, Earth lopsided, Earth melting, Earth morbid fever, Earth on fast track, Earth past point of no return, Earth slowing down, Earth spinning out of control, Earth to explode, earth upside down, Earth wobbling, earthquakes, El NiZo intensification, erosion, emerging infections, encephalitis, Europe simultaneously baking and freezing, evolution accelerating, expansion of university climate groups, extinctions (human, civilisation, logic, Inuit, smallest butterfly, cod, ladybirds, bats, pandas, pikas, polar bears, pigmy possums, gorillas, koalas, walrus, whales, frogs, toads, turtles, orang-utan, elephants, tigers, plants, salmon, trout, wild flowers, woodlice, penguins, a million species, half of all animal and plant species, less, not polar bears), experts muzzled, extreme changes to California.

Famine, farmers go under, figurehead sacked, fish catches drop, fish catches rise, fish stocks decline, five million illnesses, floods, Florida economic decline, food poisoning, food prices rise, food security threat (SA), footpath erosion, forest decline, forest expansion, frosts, fungi invasion, Garden of Eden wilts, genetic diversity decline, gene pools slashed, glacial retreat, glacial growth, glacier wrapped, global cooling, global dimming, glowing clouds, Gore omnipresence, grasslands wetter, Great Barrier Reef 95% dead, Great Lakes drop, greening of the North, Gulf Stream failure, habitat loss, Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, harvest increase, harvest shrinkage, hay fever epidemic, hazardous waste sites breached, heat waves, hibernation ends too soon, hibernation ends too late, human fertility reduced, human health improvement, human health risk, hurricanes, hydropower problems, hyperthermia deaths.

Ice sheet growth, ice sheet shrinkage, inclement weather, infrastructure failure, Inuit displacement, Inuit poisoned, Inuit suing, industry threatened, infectious diseases, insurance premium rises, invasion of midges, island disappears, islands sinking, itchier poison ivy, jellyfish explosion, Kew Gardens taxed, krill decline, lake and stream productivity decline, landslides, landslides of ice at 140 mph, lawsuits increase, lawsuit successful, lawyers? income increased (surprise, surprise!), lightning related insurance claims, little response in the atmosphere, Lyme disease.

Malaria, malnutrition, Maple syrup shortage, marine diseases, marine food chain decimated, marine dead zone, Meaching (end of the world), megacryometeors, Melanoma, methane emissions from plants, methane burps, melting permafrost, Middle Kingdom convulses, migration, migration difficult (birds), microbes to decompose soil carbon more rapidly, more bad air days, more research needed, mountain (Everest) shrinking, mountains break up, mountains taller, mudslides, next ice age, Nile delta damaged, no effect in India, nuclear plants bloom, oaks move north, ocean acidification, outdoor hockey threatened, oyster diseases, ozone loss, ozone repair slowed, ozone rise.

Pacific dead zone, personal carbon rationing, pest outbreaks, pests increase, phenology shifts, plankton blooms, plankton destabilised, plankton loss, plant viruses, plants march north, polar bears aggressive, polar bears cannibalistic, polar bears drowning, polar bears starve, polar tours scrapped, psychosocial disturbances, railroad tracks deformed, rainfall increase, rainfall reduction, refugees, reindeer larger, release of ancient frozen viruses, resorts disappear, rice yields crash, rift on Capitol Hill, rioting and nuclear war, rivers raised, rivers dry up, rockfalls, rocky peaks crack apart, roof of the world a desert, Ross river disease.

Salinity reduction, salinity increase, Salmonella, salmon stronger, sea level rise, sea level rise faster, sex change, sharks booming, shrinking ponds, ski resorts threatened, slow death, smog, snowfall increase, snowfall reduction, societal collapse, songbirds change eating habits, sour grapes, spiders invade Scotland, squid population explosion, squirrels reproduce earlier, spectacular orchids, stormwater drains stressed.

Taxes, tectonic plate movement, terrorism, ticks move northward (Sweden), tides rise, tourism increase, trade winds weakened, tree beetle attacks, tree foliage increase (UK), tree growth slowed, trees could return to Antarctic, trees less colourful, trees more colourful, tropics expansion, tropopause raised, tsunamis, turtles lay earlier, UK Katrina, Venice flooded, volcanic eruptions.

Walrus pups orphaned, war, wars over water, water bills double, water supply unreliability, water scarcity (20% of increase), water stress, weather out of its mind, weather patterns awry, weeds, Western aid cancelled out, West Nile fever, whales move north, wheat yields crushed in Australia, white Christmas dream ends, wildfires, wind shift, wind reduced, wine - harm to Australian industry, wine industry damage (California), wine industry disaster (US), wine - more English wine -German wine boon, no more French wine, winters in Britain colder, wolves eat more moose, wolves eat less, workers laid off, World bankruptcy, World in crisis, Yellow fever.

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That’s it ! (sarc)

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Coop,

The push for cars with better mpg was about saving the planet, not feeding the black hole of government spending. When a revenue shortfall happens, which is every year here, the govt can simply raise the per mile fee to make up the loss. We already pay for the roads with the gas tax, and we have the 2nd highest in the nation. So 48 other states are doing it cheaper than we are.

If you think I am wrong, come down to Figueroa and Hill, where a jaywalking ticket is $250.

Since raising taxes is nearly impossible due to public outcry, the government just makes up the difference with $600 red light camera tickets and $75 expired meter tickets.

The city and state is dirt broke, how else do you think they plan to pay off several hundred billions of dollars of debt ? You think they will go for one huge tax grab ? Course not, it’s a slow bloodletting, a little here, a little there. [/quote]

Hey, you’ll get no disagreement from me on this one. But what does this have to do with climate change?

“Communal reinforcement is a social phenomenon in which a concept or idea is repeatedly asserted in a community, regardless of whether sufficient empirical evidence has been presented to support it. Over time, the concept or idea is reinforced to become a strong belief in many people’s minds, and may be regarded by the members of the community as fact…The phrase ‘millions of people can’t all be wrong’ is indicative of the common tendency to accept a communally reinforced idea without question…” - Gustav Le Bon, The Crowd

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

What’s the point? When I tell you that scientists had predicted massive flooding along the Yangtze River a few decades ago (which ended up happening in 1998), you’ll deny any link between that event and climate change.

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The Yangtze floods every monsoon season with massive floods in 1954, 1931, 1910 etc.

I predict there will be a massive flood along the Yangtze sometime in the not too distant future! Amazing!

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This is the first thing in the last 10 AGONIZING pages, that made me chuckle.

Our PM has announced he will cut climate change funding by 90%

Tony Abbott is a traditionalist Catholic and one of the most conservative parliamentarians in Australia.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Our PM has announced he will cut climate change funding by 90%

Tony Abbott is a traditionalist Catholic and one of the most conservative parliamentarians in Australia.[/quote]

Want to trade leaders? I use that term loosely in reference to ours.

Project Veritas dupes Hollywood with fake anti-fracking film

I know I have mentioned Neil Degrass and Cosmos before , I watched one last night where he equates man made climate change ,denyers . With the denyers of lead in Gasoline causing serious harm

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1991915_1991909_1991817,00.html

I have to seriously recommend the series Cosmos .

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I know I have mentioned Neil Degrass and Cosmos before , I watched one last night where he equates man made climate change ,denyers . With the denyers of lead in Gasoline causing serious harm

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1991915_1991909_1991817,00.html

I have to seriously recommend the series Cosmos .
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Haven’t watched it yet. Would it be too much to assume he compared the reproducible health studies showing the harmful effects of lead poisoning to the reproducible studies of anthropogenic climate change?

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Our PM has announced he will cut climate change funding by 90%

Tony Abbott is a traditionalist Catholic and one of the most conservative parliamentarians in Australia.[/quote]

Want to trade leaders? I use that term loosely in reference to ours.
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Tempting. But I wouldn’t feel right depriving you of all that hope and change.

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I know I have mentioned Neil Degrass and Cosmos before , I watched one last night where he equates man made climate change ,denyers . With the denyers of lead in Gasoline causing serious harm

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1991915_1991909_1991817,00.html

I have to seriously recommend the series Cosmos .
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Haven’t watched it yet. Would it be too much to assume he compared the reproducible health studies showing the harmful effects of lead poisoning to the reproducible studies of anthropogenic climate change?
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maybe with out your verbosity :slight_smile: The comparison would be the power the oil industry had in america and still has in countries with out proper regulations

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I know I have mentioned Neil Degrass and Cosmos before , I watched one last night where he equates man made climate change ,denyers . With the denyers of lead in Gasoline causing serious harm

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1991915_1991909_1991817,00.html

I have to seriously recommend the series Cosmos .
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Haven’t watched it yet. Would it be too much to assume he compared the reproducible health studies showing the harmful effects of lead poisoning to the reproducible studies of anthropogenic climate change?
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maybe with out your verbosity :slight_smile: The comparison would be the power the oil industry had in america and still has in countries with out proper regulations
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That’s too bad. I was hoping a show about science wouldn’t resort to politics to bolster their claims. Perhaps I will still watch it though.

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I know I have mentioned Neil Degrass and Cosmos before , I watched one last night where he equates man made climate change ,denyers . With the denyers of lead in Gasoline causing serious harm

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1991915_1991909_1991817,00.html

I have to seriously recommend the series Cosmos .
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Haven’t watched it yet. Would it be too much to assume he compared the reproducible health studies showing the harmful effects of lead poisoning to the reproducible studies of anthropogenic climate change?
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maybe with out your verbosity :slight_smile: The comparison would be the power the oil industry had in america and still has in countries with out proper regulations
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That’s too bad. I was hoping a show about science wouldn’t resort to politics to bolster their claims. Perhaps I will still watch it though.
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You should watch it .I could never do it justice , let alone in a few words

Famous Stanford climate alarmist warns we’ll soon be eating dead bodies:

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/sean-long/2014/05/22/alarmist-paul-ehrlich-predicts-need-eat-bodies-your-dead

…we will soon begin asking “is it perfectly okay to eat the bodies of your dead because we’re all so hungry?” He added that humanity is “moving in that direction with a ridiculous speed.”

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Famous Stanford climate alarmist warns we’ll soon be eating dead bodies:

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/sean-long/2014/05/22/alarmist-paul-ehrlich-predicts-need-eat-bodies-your-dead

…we will soon begin asking “is it perfectly okay to eat the bodies of your dead because we’re all so hungry?” He added that humanity is “moving in that direction with a ridiculous speed.”[/quote]

He’s already got the brainless part of being a zombie down.

I am not sure how we allow people to make such radical bullshit claims. Cannibalism ? Jesus H Christ.

News Buster , exposing Liberal Media Bias :slight_smile: I would call it an attempt to deny Climate Change by Straw Man