[quote]Trocchi wrote:
[quote]Khazad wrote:
What about doctors? What about most engineers? What about the majority of lawyers? They aren’t your typical proletarians, yet they’re usually neither bosses in corporations nor politicians.
What about small, family business?
You want a classless society without any hierarchy.
It would mean that a doctor who spent most of his 20s studying most of the day (and night…), at the cost of his social life, with little free time, would be in the same position as someone who is now working at the lowest wage. Now, one of them works under huge stress, the smallest mistake he makes can cost someone life and cause incredible legal problems. On top of that, he has to keep learning until the retirement. The other one goes to work in the morning, spends there ~8 hours and comes back home. His position doesn’t require a lot of thinking. There is little stress related to his job. If he makes even a big mistake, even in the worst case he’ll just lose his job. Not be put in jail for many years along with a 6 figure+ fine.
When he comes back home, he can totally forget about his job. He doesn’t have to keep learning, maybe he has to participate in one, short and relatively easy course/training a year.
Now, how can these 2 jobs be compared? Do you really think there should be no difference between people holding those positions?
If you don’t like the example of doctors, what about computer scientists or electrical engineers? The stress and responsibility is much lower than in the case of doctors, but they still are there. Both jobs require many years of hard training and constant learning and improvements later.
Should they really be in the same position in the society as someone who is handing out flyers
Somebody who has what it takes to become a doctor or electrical engineer, should be granted a chance to become one, whether he comes from a rich or poor family. A chance. If he has what it takes.
Why someone who studies for years and then works on a demanding position requiring high skills, under huge responsibility, should be given the same position in the society as someone who doesn’t?
You don’t deserve a high position in the society just because you want it. You have to earn it.
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Things must be different in Poland.
In the UK all the trainee doctors I know really want to be doctors to ‘be doctors’, all the doctors I know love their jobs and would do it for minimum wage.
Most students doing ‘years of hard training (doctors included)’ get selected on the basis of the hard work (lol) they did between ages 15-18. They also do it because they like it and are interested in it, and a large part of uni is that it is a lot of fun!
Nurses are a better example - they have loads of responsibility, essential to society, have to learn all their lives, and they get paid next to nothing and have very little respect! Or even care workers.
And tbh what do you think is more enjoyable - sitting in a comfy office designing electrical circuits or 12 hour days scrubbing the piss off public loo floors or caring full time for a disabled person (inc dressing them, wiping them etc)?
Who on the basis of the actual hardship and reality of their job deserves a high status in society - and who isn’t really deserving of that much?
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