[quote]I am an Anarchist, so I take from Marx his Analysis of the current mode of production and class society, however I ultimately find that I differ from most self proclaimed marxists in that I do not see the state as a tool and argue for a dictatorship of the proletariat through a centralized state like Maoists and ML’s do. I think the state is inherently exploitative and can not be used in the transitioning between capitalist class society to communism, the moneyless, nationless, classless, non hierachal society based on free association and the workers control over the means of production,
[/quote]
Why would you want it? It’s not possible. If there is no profit or gratification for your actions, what is the motivation to work? Sure, there are some idealists, but how many? Assuming everyone has to work (which by itself creates a need of control and thus a class of people controlling others - some kind of hierarchy too), most people would work as little as possible.
People are not equal. They have different talents and capabilities. You can’t make one a brilliant mathematician just because you want to. Besides, we need people working at different positions. While we need managers, doctors and engineers, we need also people collecting garbage or cleaning the toilets. Now, who would want to do it? Especially if all people belong to the very same class, no matter what they do.
Actually, there is one place, where true marxism exists (at least formally). There is no money, no property, everyone is equal and has the same rights. People get food they need to survive, they get medical care and place to sleep. Where is this paradise? In prisons and concentration camps.
[quote]
I believe this has been proven by every so called vanguard that has taken state power has been reactionary, oppressive, murderous and has formed the new rulling elite.
I however am not some blackblock, hippy, occupy student, I believe Anarchism(communism) will be brought about only through the mass organisation of workers worldwide, the occupation and taking over of the means of production by us at work, in a strong anticapitalist union or federation, like the CNT/FAI in civil war spain, or nowadays in America and Europe the IWW.[/quote]
Socialism IS control. In capitalism, everybody takes care of their needs. In socialism there has to be some kind of organized distribution of goods. But how can you make sure, that the distribution is just and equal? That some people won’t get too much and others will get enough? The only way to achieve it is by choosing people, who will control the distribution. They need to have enough force to prevent the people from taking too much or stealing goods from others. This creates a possibility of “control guys” taking too much for themselves or becoming the new government. To avoid that situation, you have to set another institution, responsible for controlling the “control”. Since the “control” is powerful, our new institution needs even more power to fulfill it’s duties. But if it’s so powerful, why wouldn’t it take goods for itself? Or decide to collaborate with the other institution and split the power? And so on and on…
The only way, that gives true marxism a chance to work, is to create a state of total and permanent surveillance. A state where everybody spies and snitches everybody. And anyone who shows even a
tiniest possibility of opposing even in the very far future is killed. Either directly, by shooting or hanging or in the gas chamber, or non-directly, by sending to extremely hard work with little to no food.
There is another problem about bringing communism. There actually are people that own property, whether you like it or not. To bring communism, you have to rob them of their property. However, they would probably want a revenge and most certainly their property back. So they would have to be killed. Anybody who owns anything noteworthy would have to die. Or you would risk getting the counterrevolution.
And religion. In communism none can exist. As we all know, “Religion is the opium of the people”. Our beloved Marx said it. To make communism work, you have to destroy any moral values, hierarchies of values or inhibitions. People brought up in a civilization, which was based on Christianity(even if it was long time ago), will have inhibitions. I’m not saying they won’t kill, lie or snitch. But most will have at least some doubts. Maybe not in the case of people they don’t know. However in the case of their close family?
It has to be stopped. Religion supports this. Also, if you’re religious, it means that you believe in something, that is more important to you than the good of communism. Truly religious people won’t be subjugated easily. Even if they do, they may want to convert back later. Thus you have to get rid of them.
How do you get rid of people? The only 100% safe and certain way is to kill them.
Furthermore, you’d have to destroy any relations between people, ESPECIALLY those in the family.
People who love wouldn’t be always obedient. They could have doubts about killing their beloved ones, even if the good of socialism required them being killed.
Then there are other countries. If they aren’t communist, people living in your communist state (or as you’d rather call it, federation) will see how foreigners live. And they’ll want to live like them too. Socialism in one country won’t prevail. It can only win by conquering all other countries that exist. Communist country can win in a military conflict. After all, it can utilize all of it’s potential to destroy the counterrevolutionists. There is no way though, it can win in the economic war.Communism either conquers the entire Earth or falls.
…
By the way, in Spain it was Republicans, who caused most victims.
[quote]So in other words Marx merely used the scientific method of dialectical Materialism to analyse society and draw conclusions so he will always be relevant, I do not follow Marx like a dogmatic student, I merely apply his tool, of Dialectical Materialism to render my own views of society and how to change it so it can offer a free and beautiful life for me and my class (working class)[/quote[
Free and beautiful? if communism won, you’d live in poverty, being under surveillance all the time, without any hope of the situation getting better. And that’s assuming you’d be alive at all.
In other words, you’d live in a true hell on earth. And if you have any doubts, look at the history of ANY country, where there was communism. Even for a short period of time. Go and read memories of people who were in Russia in 1917-22. Especially in 1917-1918. Before Stalin and “cult of the individual”. Even before Lenin had complete control over the Russia. You can’t argue that all revolutionists at that time were “centrally organized”.
Show me ONE example of place, where communism actually worked.
I don’t know about you, but I’d rather flee or die fighting than live in a hell like that.
…
Many people are greedy, they don’t care about the society or about the others. They won’t do what you want them to do, just because it’s good for the society and you tell them to do so. Unless you can force the obedience, it won’t work.
