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1stly possible / probably.
But - your point?
He takes steroids so let’s ignore the fact that hes insanely strong and knows what he is taking about?
Or the other hundreds of coaches that advocate high protein diets?
Because NO ONE ELSE worked out it’s a fraud? Yeah they’re all in in it. No ones worked out the 2g/kg thing is a myth. After 50 years +.
You know what believe what you want. It’s cool. I’m gonna take my advice from guys with or who have coached multiple world champions.
We’ve got some guys pulling close to that natty on here
This thread is making my head hurt, but I’ll add in another interesting article, that if I remember correctly, basically says the optimal amount of protein per meal is 40g (for muscle protein synthesis) and advocates 4 meals per day, so that would be 160g of protein per day. I think that’s right its been awhile since I have read the article.
And how many present with a jaw-dropping physiques or would place top-tier in lifting competitions given the opportunity?
Average protein intake 1.5g/kg.
Dam Olympians - what do they know?
Why take advice or claims from someone using artificial products? I would never go to a world class sprinter for advice on doing a 100m dash – pointless. They’re on drugs, drugs, drugs and have the genetics.
Jones put this in perspective a couple of years ago and people still ignore the reality of what he said:
Just because some group of idiots calling themselves “experts” appoints some other idiot to a position from
which he can force his stupid opinions down the throats of the public it does not follow that anything will be improved;
the only thing you can count on as a result of such a move is the fact that the government will hire a few thousand other
idiots and give them the authority to fuck up your life even more than it already is, and, of course, the fact that a few
more billion dollars will be pissed away to no good purpose.
Apart from a rather limited number of hardcore bodybuilders who are misguided enough to believe that they have a
chance to compete against the outright genetic freaks that now dominate bodybuilding competition, just about anybody
else in this country can produce nearly all of the potential benefits of proper exercise without spending much if anything
in excess of about twenty dollars.
Great. Guess the idea of training for strength and health is moot these days…
People can pick their own goals in life, they aren’t obligated to follow your goals.
You’re gonna be really mad to find out one of them loves fast food and eats it twice a day. Looks great too. #totalpackage #myspiritanimal
Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with what I posted.
Mild calorie restriction to lose weight or stay on the lean side is one thing. But some of those calorie restriction guys take it to an extreme. Roy Walford was a famous example.
I get a kick out of hearing guys or girls for that matter talking in terms of percentage of protein they eat be it 13, 15 or 20 % or whatever. Do some of you guys actually sit there with a calculator at the kitchen table figuring out percentages of fat, carbohydrates , proteins or gummy bears or whatever you are going to eat that night?
If so you are taking this crap way to seriously ! Scott
You can sit down with a calculator for an hour or less and never have to do it again.
How many carbs in x amount of pasta, rice, potatoes?
How much protein in 1 lb of chicken, beef, turkey?
How much fat in that meat/milk/whatever fatty stuff?
Then plan out your days accordingly knowing that.
I don’t count calories and only keep track of rough protein intake, so I’m not necessarily advocating for doing that, but once you have base figures laid out, it’s very easy to nail down how much of everything you’re getting.
A lot of guys over at the UGBB forum swear this is the key to reaching and maintaining their physique goals.
I guess if you’re in contests and competing in the big time but for guys on a forum sitting there at the table counting every calorie and carbohydrate they eat , oh I’m sorry honey, maybe I shouldn’t eat that carrot , my body fat percentage may go up a decimal , seriously?
Scott
I’m not here to defend Vince Gironda’s diet. But you are attributing a causal relationship between steak, eggs, heavy cream, etc, and CVD. That is patently false. As for your comment about insulin resistance not being linked to carbohydrate consumption? 
Think about what you are saying here.
Unless you are following one of the diets built around restricting macronutrients (low carb/Keto, low fat, carnivore), then you are going have to count total calories, and then try to hit an intake target. That is the basis for Dr Darden’s diet: hit 1600 calories per day, then 1400, 1200 etc.
The only way I know to do that is track and weigh everything you eat. Then you put it into a calorie tracking app, and all that stuff falls out.
And even if you don’t track total calories, and are into macronutrient restriction, you are counting grams of fat, or grams of carbs.
Maybe you are lucky and don’t have to do any of that. But most people who struggle with controlling weight eventually need to do some kind of counting if they expect to have success.
I add in my experience (n=1). Eating 6 eggs and 500g of meat a day changed my body.
Also success leaves clues - a quote from a very successful bodybuilder (from this site).
I’m not sure of his protein intake but I will cite the advice of the successful guys I train around. Guys that deadlift and squat 400kg. Bench 220kg for reps.
None of those are eating less protein than 2g/kg.
Until someone that can pull off those sorts of lifts tell me they are on under 100g/day and have been consistently over a good period of time - I’ll stick with the bro science that’s guilded multiple titles holders.
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I would suggest that your own experience of the effects of 500g neat + 6 eggs/day is the most relevant for you and, if you’re not using steroids, for other natural trainees as well.
I would be highly doubtful that these 400kg squatters and 220kg benchers - for reps - are not using steroids and that completely changes the protein equation!
Based on that quote, why should we listen to him then?
If Ellington wrote it there’s no doubt it’s good stuff!! Scott
