[quote]tedro wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Most of college is not book learning. It is not necessarily wasted time but it can be. Like anything else in life it is what you make of it.
That very much depends on your field of study also. Some majors are almost entirely book learning. Some require the use of a lab and special equipment. For those, it will be very hard to get the learning experience without going to college. For those that don’t use any specialized equipment, there is no reason why one can’t learn just as much on their own if they put the time into it, saving themselves $20k or so while they’re at it.[/quote]
I’m talking about the “college experience” as a whole, not just classroom stuff. Living away from home the first time, campus jobs, all the drinking, etc. It tends to overwhelm the book learning. 15 hours of class plus 15 hours of homework = lots of free time the rest of the week.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
you can major in guitar? lol
there’s no clear cut answer here. The fact that someone can graduate college with a meaningful degree even if unrelated shows that person has work ethic and can follow through.
Now if it comes down to you and a few other candidates who have a degree in that field they’ll get the edge unless you can wow the interviewer.
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Hell yeah you can major in guitar! Well, Technically I hold a Bachelor of Music with majors in Performance (gutiar) and Music Business.
I do want to own my own business at some point. Probably something along the lines of a lesson studio that employs other teachers in addition to myself.
It’s not as if there’s not jobs for guitarists. Every suburban kid in the united states wants to play. Mostly because of guitar hero. I make $36/hour teaching lessons right now. Ideally I’d work at a college, but that means continuing after my masters to do doctoral work. If I can get a GA or TA position again that pays for my tuition, I might as well.
Good to here people do whatever with whatever degree.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
tedro wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Most of college is not book learning. It is not necessarily wasted time but it can be. Like anything else in life it is what you make of it.
That very much depends on your field of study also. Some majors are almost entirely book learning. Some require the use of a lab and special equipment. For those, it will be very hard to get the learning experience without going to college. For those that don’t use any specialized equipment, there is no reason why one can’t learn just as much on their own if they put the time into it, saving themselves $20k or so while they’re at it.
I’m talking about the “college experience” as a whole, not just classroom stuff. Living away from home the first time, campus jobs, all the drinking, etc. It tends to overwhelm the book learning. 15 hours of class plus 15 hours of homework = lots of free time the rest of the week.
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So is the “college experience” really worth the money it costs? And is it good for society that we encourage so many youth to go to college, when the best thing they will get out of it is the “college experience”?
[quote]tedro wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
tedro wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Most of college is not book learning. It is not necessarily wasted time but it can be. Like anything else in life it is what you make of it.
That very much depends on your field of study also. Some majors are almost entirely book learning. Some require the use of a lab and special equipment. For those, it will be very hard to get the learning experience without going to college. For those that don’t use any specialized equipment, there is no reason why one can’t learn just as much on their own if they put the time into it, saving themselves $20k or so while they’re at it.
I’m talking about the “college experience” as a whole, not just classroom stuff. Living away from home the first time, campus jobs, all the drinking, etc. It tends to overwhelm the book learning. 15 hours of class plus 15 hours of homework = lots of free time the rest of the week.
So is the “college experience” really worth the money it costs? And is it good for society that we encourage so many youth to go to college, when the best thing they will get out of it is the “college experience”?[/quote]
They also get student loan debt. That’s a pretty sweet deal.
Also, i bet i’m the only one who knows that your sig (thread starter) is the circle of fifths :P.
I’ll bet you’re not ;-)[/quote]
ditto.
Also, college majors are not so important as what you know and can gain in terms of experience. So for instance if you know a lot of computer programming, but for some reason decide to major in music, you’re not necessarily stuck to a life as a musician. Degrees in engineering/computer science are definitely about getting experience and knowing how to do stuff. The theory behind it is slightly less important in finding a job.
I think it is worth it , if you know what you want to do. I graduated with a B.S. in electrical engineering and now I am going to school for an MBA. I currently started at my job about 6 months ago (which is where i did my internship) and the pay is good, the hours are good and the experience to work a big successful company, you just can’t beat. I would recommend going to college only if you have an idea what you want to do.
I am currently a engineer working towards becoming a project manager and who knows where I am going to end up from there. School teaches you how to balance work and play, it teaches you how to communicate with other people and prepares with the up and downs with stress/work/family and finances. In other words I liked it.
[quote]tedro wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
tedro wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Most of college is not book learning. It is not necessarily wasted time but it can be. Like anything else in life it is what you make of it.
That very much depends on your field of study also. Some majors are almost entirely book learning. Some require the use of a lab and special equipment. For those, it will be very hard to get the learning experience without going to college. For those that don’t use any specialized equipment, there is no reason why one can’t learn just as much on their own if they put the time into it, saving themselves $20k or so while they’re at it.
I’m talking about the “college experience” as a whole, not just classroom stuff. Living away from home the first time, campus jobs, all the drinking, etc. It tends to overwhelm the book learning. 15 hours of class plus 15 hours of homework = lots of free time the rest of the week.
So is the “college experience” really worth the money it costs? And is it good for society that we encourage so many youth to go to college, when the best thing they will get out of it is the “college experience”?[/quote]
I don’t think so with the cost of college these days. I think a non traditional approach is probably more cost effective for most.
There are certainly advantages to going the traditional route such as making lifetime contacts etc.
I think kids should learn to hold their alcohol before they go away to school too.
A whole lot for the most part. Doctor, lawyer, engineer, pilot, school teacher, nurse. Try to get a job doing one of these jobs with out the degree.
I mean we can all name some dude that does this job with that degree but you got to be real about it. 90+% of companies will not even interview you if you don’t have the prerequsite degree. With the exception of nepotism you will not get most professional jobs with out the training.
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
What if I major in PAAAAAARRRRRRTTTTTYYYYYING!? Whooooooo! Man, we went to the frat party on Saturday… Man I got SO WASTED! WHOOOOOOOOOO! There were like 100 chicks there! They were all SO WASTED! WHOOOOOOO! I got laid like 100 times man! WHOOOOOOOOOO!
So, I guess college is pretty much useless right? According to everyone on the internet at least. Everyone else tells me that college is an investment in your future. I wonder who I should believe?[/quote]
college and any education can be either a waste or an investment in your future.
its all in how you use it.
if you go to school and fuck off and squeek by with a major in some easy crap then ya it may be a waste.
if you go in,learn buckle down and do hat your supposed or what everyone expects you I should say then yes its not wasted time.
I too know what the circle of 5ths is. Infact, alot of jazz music is based simply off of cycling through ii V I’s through the circle. Actually playing through the changes though is another story lol.
[quote]mthomps wrote:
I too know what the circle of 5ths is. Infact, alot of jazz music is based simply off of cycling through ii V I’s through the circle. [/quote]
Sort of. You’re right about the ii V I’s. But the key areas that jazz moves through in a given tune doesn’t have to follow the circle or anything like that.
I am a chiropractor who wants to start over. I went to undergrad for 3 years before chiropractic school, and finished a BS in General Science at chiropractic school. Does anyone think i can actually get a job outside of science jobs (lab tech, etc), or do i have to go back to school and get a business degree?
Not discounting the degree in the slightest. One thing that you need to focus on though is the contacts made in college. You’re more likely to get a decent job because you went to school with Joe, who’s Bob’s brother and his company is looking for someone.
When I was a manager for an oilfield service company, I looked at someone with a degree merely as someone who was trainable.
