How Much Do You Know About Christianity?

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[quote]mbm693 wrote:
IrishSteel wrote:
mbm693 wrote:

Consciousness and the brain aren’t nearly as mysterious as you seem to think. Neuroscience is a pretty advanced field. That said there are still somethings that have not been explained at this time. That is not a good reason to assume those things are the activity of a soul. I say again, there is NO EVIDENCE (out of body experiences have already been explained) that a soul exists. If you want to claim that souls exist, the burden of proof is on you.

Wow, glad we have a bona-fide expert on consciousness and out-of-the-body experiences here . . . care to enlighten the rest of us with your explanations or are you just going to rely on some vague APPEAL TO AUTHORITY? LMAO - what a child . . .

You really don’t understand how that fallacy works do you? Ignoring my point won’t make it go away. The burden of proof is on you. Get some proof or admit you’ve lost.[/quote]

You don’t understand the fallacy, simply mentioning “neuroscience” is not an appeal to authority. If he said “consciousness isn’t necessarily a function of the soul because neuroscience says so”, that would be an appeal to authority fallacy.

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[quote]THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:

The first humans appear on earth. All they have is what they were given. Their programming. Their ‘nature’. This nature reacting with the environment = conditioning. We listen to our bodies and minds. We create laws. Morals. Standards. Ideals. We look up to the sky… there must be something more. We create Gods. We create religions to celebrate these Gods. More laws, morals, standards… always constantly refining these. blah blah…

Many, many, many years later… You are born. You dont remember this but you acted just like all the other babies of the world. You cried when you needed food (nature) and you took shits everywhere. Basically, you ran off instinct. You are now 4 or 5. Your parents lay some conditioning on you. ex) Jesus died for you on the cross, dont talk to strangers, dont lie. Do you choose to trust them? Or do you say… “fuck you dad…what do you know?” . No. You are a blank slate (barring any mental disorders—like Obsessive Disobedient Disorder). You trust for them for they are blood (In group) and authority. Thus, their knowledge is past onto you. Just another link in the chain that started a very long time ago.

Anytime you are faced with anything new—it is checked against your prior conditioning and current status of your brain. If it holds up to your ‘knowledge bank’, than you believe it and regard it as true. ex ) 2+2= 4. not 5 for 2+2 has never been 5. This doesnt mean that someone who was indoctrinated as a kid stays a Christian their whole life. Faced with outside conditioning thats opposite than Christianity, one can reject their prior conditioning or be able to refine it if their brain allows them to ( ex- high curiosity and open mindedness for answers — this is very simplistic , but you get the jist)

I realize you think this is mumbo jumbo. There is nothing in your “knowledge bank” telling you to believe this. But that just reaffirms my position. Which is: You do not choose what you believe → and if you dont choose what you believe → an instution that is based on belief is BOGUS.

(edit- How I came to believe this? … just another link in the chain. )[/quote]

Thanks for explaining your religious beliefs . . . interesting, but if your beliefs are jut the result of a genetic predisposition and environmental conditioning, all you’ve done is proven that yours are inherenetly no more accurate than mine as both are the result of a biological process (instinct, DNA, environmental conditioning, etc).

You in the same boat as “brain” boy in that if you are nothing more than biology, chemistry and conditioning - you have no true self, your rationality is mere electrical process and no substance to your person. One wrong chemical, one screwed up genome, one variance in any detail and you would not even be able to believe what you believe now - so your beliefs are not made by choice, rational thought or even by wish - it is all merely biological and environmental programming - you are not even a ghost in a shell - you are just a shell . . .

oh and btw - you got my story all wrong (if it was my story you were trying to tell in your long diatribe) - so your conditioning theory doesn’t work for my Christian beliefs - but thanks for the input . . . enjoy discovering the rest of your genomic driven existence . . .oh wait - there is no discovery either,just action/reaction . . .dude - sucks to be you . . .

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
In the vastness of our sagacity and with the awesome power of our hatred, we gazed into the heavens and shouted “Gods are no better than men”, and so we stormed the gates of Mount Olympus and dragged the gods down to our earthly existence forging bands of human divination that would tie and bind them to our will . . .[/quote]

Or…
In the vastness of our sagacity and with the awesome power of our need for meaning, we gazed into the heavens and shouted “Gods are better than men”, and so we created Gods and gave them power over us, to provide us with purpose, to order and constrain us…for it was not the reality of the Gods themselves, but the faith in their existence, that filled us with comfort and hope.

It’s not about god punishing you. The source of the punishment is irrelevant. The point is that creating a person, with the absolute knowledge that this person is going to suffer eternally in the worst kind of torment, even if this torment is of his own making, is the opposite of compassion and the antithesis of love. It would be far kinder not to create the person in the first place.

Not that I believe this or any other “god” is anything but a figment of people’s imagination, but the point is that this god is definitionally either NOT benevolent, NOT omniscient, or NOT omnipotent. Logically, it is impossible for all three to be true.

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
I had a sister that died from a brain tumor when I was eight, the disease question was one I struggled with for years.[/quote]

In all sincerity, I’m sorry for your loss. Back when I was religious, I remember ministering to a 12 year-old boy with terminal cancer. I don’t know of anything worse than seeing children die under such tragic conditions. It especially hits home when you have young children yourself.

For that reason, I can’t blame people for finding solace in religion. I truly can’t. I wish it were possible for them to do so, without feeling the need to force others to see the world as they do. But even that is understandable, given their perspective.

None of that makes the gods we create for ourselves any more real, but it does make the whole thing human and meaningful and understandable.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
IrishSteel wrote:
I had a sister that died from a brain tumor when I was eight, the disease question was one I struggled with for years.

In all sincerity, I’m sorry for your loss. Back when I was religious, I remember ministering to a 12 year-old boy with terminal cancer. I don’t know of anything worse than seeing children die under such tragic conditions. It especially hits home when you have young children yourself.

For that reason, I can’t blame people for finding solace in religion. I truly can’t. I wish it were possible for them to do so, without feeling the need to force others to see the world as they do. But even that is understandable, given their perspective.

None of that makes the gods we create for ourselves any more real, but it does make the whole thing human and meaningful and understandable.[/quote]

Never once tried to force anyone to see the world as I do, as my comments on free will should have well demonstrated by now . . . on the other hand, I have had lots of non-believers try to force me to stop believing what I do . . . lol

There is one point of truth in your statement, and I know by acknowledging this that you might find justification for your statement and view, but I have to be intellectually honest and am willing to take that chance. (this fits with your other post as well)

Man do make “gods” . . . history is replete with men making “gods” of wood, stone, crystal, gold and even paper . . .

However, the fact that false “gods” have been made by man does not mean that a true God cannot or does not exist - it simply proves that man can willingly alter the truth of God and form a false god that he can put on a mantle, in a temple, in a bank or on a bookshelf. It is one thing to know that man has created gods in his own image, and something entirely different to use that to prove that no God could ever be real.

The logical construct of that is the same as saying that since counterfeiters make fake dollar bills, there is no such thing as a real dollar bill.

In fact, a sound argument could be made that since man makes false gods, there must be a true God that they use as a spiritual template and that they are merely copying/changing the genuine article to fit their own wishes/desires . . .

and thanks . . .

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I love that I’m being called closed minded. Nowhere in this discussion has there been a single counterpoint for me to even consider. Not a single thread of evidence has been presented.

That “theory” about the speed of light being faster at some point in the past is a completely untested, and is at best an interesting experiment waiting to happen. The fact still remains that the accepted speed of light is a constant, and therefore it must be stated that the distances we have measured are accurate.

As far as what irishsteel is saying, “In fact, a sound argument could be made that since man makes false gods, there must be a true God that they use as a spiritual template and that they are merely copying/changing the genuine article to fit their own wishes/desires . . .” an equally sound argument can be made that the concept of an all powerful being, controlling and creating our world is at it’s nature a construct of the human psyche, allowing earlier, more primitive societies to cope with catastrophic changes in their world, as well as to answer questions that science was not yet able to answer.

The idea can be seen in virtually every society. Greeks and Romans, and a few nearby civilizations had multiple Gods and Demi-Gods, each with a control over some major part of our world. If Neptune was angry, he sunk ships, if Zeus was angry he shot lightning bolts down.

Thunder is God bowling. A cute idea, but based in the very foundation of religion. Today we know for a fact that thunder is the sonic shock wave caused by a bolt of lightning. Would we have known that 3,000 years ago? No. The answer, “I unno, maybe God did it” stuck with us.

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:

Thanks for explaining your religious beliefs . . . interesting, but if your beliefs are just the result of a genetic predisposition and environmental conditioning, all you’ve done is proven that yours are inherenetly no more accurate than mine as both are the result of a biological process (instinct, DNA, environmental conditioning, etc).
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EXACTLY. Your proving my point. Sounds kind of shady to go to hell for inaccurate beliefs that aren’t in your conscious control, right?

thats exactly how I feel… and why not? Give me your brain–let me mess with your neurotransmitters or hormones, adjust your frontal and temporal lobes accordingly, …and your beliefs would change also. All of YOU would change. You would be completely different. Your beliefs not changing would be like you drinking 20 beers and not getting drink (through will of course!. ha:) ).

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oh and btw - you got my story all wrong (if it was my story you were trying to tell in your long diatribe) - so your conditioning theory doesn’t work for my Christian beliefs - but thanks for the input . . . enjoy discovering the rest of your genomic driven existence . . .oh wait - there is no discovery either,just action/reaction . . .dude - sucks to be you . . .[/quote]

I was telling a general story. I realize yours is probably much different as so many factors and variables are included. But dont think why you believe something is any different than anyone else. We are all in the same boat.

Why does it suck to be me?
-Because I am beyond guilt,regret,anger, jealousy, etc? Because I see things exactly as they should be. Because I see people acting the only way they know how… allowing me to transcend boundaries…allowing me to see myself NOT as superior or inferior but just as IS…as well as allowing me to see past good and evil… and allowing me to forgo the natural disrespect that accompanies religions like Christianity?

ya. sucks to be me.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:
pushharder wrote:
THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:
IrishSteel wrote:
THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:
IrishSteel wrote:
THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:
IrishSteel wrote:

I did read you mumbo-jumbo about being born somewhere to someone or something like that - but my counter-question was how do you come by what you personally believe - you chose it right? If you can choose what you believe, then why can’t I choose what I believe? If we can both choose what we believe - why can’t everyone choose what they believe - and if everyone can choose what they believe then that means your “simple” construct about religion being bogus is itself bogus . . .

The first humans appear on earth. All they have is what they were given.

Who is the “giver” in this scenario?

a god. a spaghetti monster. It doesnt matter. I wasnt refuting a creator.

Why doesn’t it matter?[/quote]

Because I feel the creator is a being whose sole definition is that they are beyond man’s power to conceive.

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Interesting, el jeffe, don’t remember any passages from the Bible that said Thunder was God bowling. In fact, seems like there was a fairly pragmatic understanding of thunder . . . you know - it came with storms with lightening . . .

As far as counterpoints - that would require a point - you’ve just been stating what you believe to the case and that’s pretty much it. We’ve been clear about our beliefs and you have been clear about yours - quid pro quo.

As for your speed of light ignorance - I will even use a source link I think is only useful for morons - wikipedia

and this one just for shits and grins . . .

http://www.scienceblog.com/light.html - ooh look, they slowed down and sped up light . . . wow, 30 seconds of internet research and voila - you’re still an idiot . . .

and this one

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/01/faster-than-the.html

and this one

and this one

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/3303699/We-have-broken-speed-of-light.html

heck light might not even be the fastest thing in the universe . .

and this one

but to be honest- I don’t care about the speed of light - has nothing to do with my religious beliefs.

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Let me start by saying that I am a Christian. I attended an Episcopal middle school and a Catholic high school. I was raised a Presbyterian, but now go to a non-denominational Church with my family due to distance, and by simply being able to connect more with my new Pastor.

I read a few pages of this thread but admittedly couldn’t read all 20-something pages. I feel that most in this thread, Christians and non-Christians alike, are simply picking out small points to bicker over. The Bible was written thousands of years ago, and translated over many languages, OF COURSE there are going to be some examples that seem abstract and weird today.

How can anybody disagree with the main principles of Christianity?

ONE: ‘You shall have no other gods before Me.’

TWO: ‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image–any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.’

THREE: ‘You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.’

FOUR: ‘Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.’

FIVE: ‘Honor your father and your mother.’

SIX: ‘You shall not murder.’

SEVEN: ‘You shall not commit adultery.’

EIGHT: ‘You shall not steal.’

NINE: ‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.’

TEN: ‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.’

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: " ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40).

The first four commandments given are contained in the statement: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” The last 6 commandements are enclosed in the statement: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

Can anybody really say that the world wouldn’t be a MUCH better place if everybody followed these principles?

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[quote]THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:

EXACTLY. Your proving my point. Sounds kind of shady to go to hell for inaccurate beliefs that aren’t in your conscious control, right?

thats exactly how I feel… and why not? Give me your brain–let me mess with your neurotransmitters or hormones, adjust your frontal and temporal lobes accordingly, …and your beliefs would change also. All of YOU would change. You would be completely different. Your beliefs not changing would be like you drinking 20 beers and not getting drink (through will of course!. ha:) ).

I was telling a general story. I realize yours is probably much different as so many factors and variables are included. But dont think why you believe something is any different than anyone else. We are all in the same boat.

Why does it suck to be me?
-Because I am beyond guilt,regret,anger, jealousy, etc? Because I see things exactly as they should be. Because I see people acting the only way they know how… allowing me to transcend boundaries…allowing me to see myself NOT as superior or inferior but just as IS…as well as allowing me to see past good and evil… and allowing me to forgo the natural disrespect that accompanies religions like Christianity?

ya. sucks to be me.

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lol - i love the irony of talking with you guys.

You tell me that what I belief is nonsense, and that what you believe is factual, and then you all go on to state that you don’t really possess an individuality or a higher mind - basically just a happenstance connection of neurons that spits out random chemical reactions - so there is in reality no factuality to be had . . .

lemme splain - if there is no self, and we are the result of mere biological processes and our thoughts are randomly generated electrical impulses - thought is just an illusion, truth is just an illusion - you don’t even have grounds to say that my beliefs are false because they would be the natural results of my brain chemistry - you and I could neither be right or wrong. So far you to even sound the slightest bit impressed with your own reasoning ability and to try to denigrate my reasoning would be from your standpoint basically meaningless . . .

It wouldn’t matter what you thought you chose or what your opinions are - you don’t even really have thoughts and your opinions are not even classifiable as yours - since there is no you . . .

Thanks - I feel much better now that I know you believe you cannot really think . . . LMAO You guys are a riot!!

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WHY DONT YOU PROVE YOUR RELIGION. Why is it that not one of you Bible thumpers/islamic extremists/ANYBODY who views thier religion as the only way it can be with NO PROOF. Why dont you go over to Iraq or afghanistan and preach to those lost souls and let me know how that works out for you. Oh and by the way stop LOLing. What are you a 14 year old sending a text?

- YouTube CAN WE SAY BRAINWASHED?
- YouTube There is another one for ya, christianity at its finest right there.

How meny stories have you read about some coward strapping bombs to himself and blowing himself up in a crowd of innocent people because he thought his ‘way’ was the right way? Religion has killed millions more than it will ever, EVER save.

So now you can come back with your whole ‘your heart has been hardened by satin’ speech so I can, as you would say, LOL at you and respond with ‘no its people like you who hardened my heart’.

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:

You in the same boat as “brain” boy in that if you are nothing more than biology, chemistry and conditioning - you have no true self, your rationality is mere electrical process and no substance to your person. One wrong chemical, one screwed up genome, one variance in any detail and you would not even be able to believe what you believe now - so your beliefs are not made by choice, rational thought or even by wish - it is all merely biological and environmental programming - you are not even a ghost in a shell - you are just a shell . . .
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I have a simple question- how many of your own thoughts and actions are driven by chemical processes and conditioning?

Try to think of one thing that you do that isn’t driven by a chemical addiction to the emotion you get from doing it, or driven by a biological need that has been conditioned through society.

When you pray or meditate, your body releases anti-stress hormones=can even increase lifespan. When you come on here, you get a surge of excitement hormones that tell you this is exciting. You’re brain starts processing as well, and the two together tell you that this is important and fascinating.

There are mathematical equations in the science of animal behavior for everything, including how likely one animal is to die or complete an altruistic act for another animal. That equation is mostly based on genetic relatedness. Humans are extremely related to each other, as we’ve gone through several genetic bottle necks over time.

I can’t think of one thing that we do that doesn’t come down to the processes mentioned above. Can you?

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:lol - i love the irony of talking with you guys.

You tell me that what I belief is nonsense, and that what you believe is factual, and then you all go on to state that you don’t really possess an individuality or a higher mind - basically just a happenstance connection of neurons that spits out random chemical reactions - so there is in reality no factuality to be had . . .

lemme splain - if there is no self, and we are the result of mere biological processes and our thoughts are randomly generated electrical impulses - thought is just an illusion, truth is just an illusion - you don’t even have grounds to say that my beliefs are false because they would be the natural results of my brain chemistry - you and I could neither be right or wrong. So far you to even sound the slightest bit impressed with your own reasoning ability and to try to denigrate my reasoning would be from your standpoint basically meaningless . . .

It wouldn’t matter what you thought you chose or what your opinions are - you don’t even really have thoughts and your opinions are not even classifiable as yours - since there is no you . . .

Thanks - I feel much better now that I know you believe you cannot really think . . . LMAO You guys are a riot!![/quote]

…the object of your beliefs, the literal interpretation of the Bible as is, that what you place outside of yourself metaphysically, the plane of existence beyond death and God; all are as real to you as the glass of vodka in your hand is. I know that, and i don’t think anyone is disputing that fact…

…the difference is that i can take that glass from you [and pay for it with my life probably] but you can’t show me your religious experience as you experience it. Each of us lives in a different reality stitched together by common threads, and religion isn’t one of them. Subjectivity vs objectivity and all that…

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You have a lot of learning to do. Christianity is a religion, and like all the other religions in the world, it reinforces social structures.

The most enormous social structure that christianity supports is patriarchy. Our American society has begun swinging away from patriarchy, as evidenced by the numerous naked female bodies you see everywhere nowdays, the breakdown of the marrige system, the increase in abortions, and the quickly evaporating difference between the sexual roles.

The bible holds women as inferior to men, and there are clearly delineated roles that each sex is supposed to fill. Nowdays, women comprise a good portion of our work sector, and we’d be less productive and wealthy if we didn’t let things progress away from the old ways.

There are many other beliefs that christianity and all other religion supports. As a christian, you should really study up on what it is you’re promoting.

Also, I don’t see “Don’t rape people” as one of the ten commandments. Why is that?

And nice avatar.

[quote]Nole wrote:
Let me start by saying that I am a Christian. I attended an Episcopal middle school and a Catholic high school. I was raised a Presbyterian, but now go to a non-denominational Church with my family due to distance, and by simply being able to connect more with my new Pastor.

I read a few pages of this thread but admittedly couldn’t read all 20-something pages. I feel that most in this thread, Christians and non-Christians alike, are simply picking out small points to bicker over. The Bible was written thousands of years ago, and translated over many languages, OF COURSE there are going to be some examples that seem abstract and weird today.

How can anybody disagree with the main principles of Christianity?

ONE: ‘You shall have no other gods before Me.’

TWO: ‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image–any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.’

THREE: ‘You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.’

FOUR: ‘Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.’

FIVE: ‘Honor your father and your mother.’

SIX: ‘You shall not murder.’

SEVEN: ‘You shall not commit adultery.’

EIGHT: ‘You shall not steal.’

NINE: ‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.’

TEN: ‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.’

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: " ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40).

The first four commandments given are contained in the statement: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” The last 6 commandements are enclosed in the statement: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

Can anybody really say that the world wouldn’t be a MUCH better place if everybody followed these principles?

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I think what they are trying to tell you is that we are high-processing (and we call the way we process “thinking” so there you go) creatures who have evolved in such a way over millions of years that we can take better advantage of nature than we used to. We evolved to our environment, which is earth, and as a result we are very good at mentally handling anything that’s thrown at us.

We’re so good at it that we’ve come up with the idea of dividing up labor, and as a result of that alone, taken over the entire earth (you will note that no society that doesn’t specialize and divide labor has lasted nor spread).

You are mistaking “instict” in your argument with conditioning, and it sounds like you aren’t very familiar with the hormonal processes that reinforce human behavior. We always have a choice which way we can react to any situation, but BECAUSE we can think we will choose the way that has worked out best for us in the past. The most intelligent species are generally the easiest to teach complex tricks to.

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:

EXACTLY. Your proving my point. Sounds kind of shady to go to hell for inaccurate beliefs that aren’t in your conscious control, right?

thats exactly how I feel… and why not? Give me your brain–let me mess with your neurotransmitters or hormones, adjust your frontal and temporal lobes accordingly, …and your beliefs would change also. All of YOU would change. You would be completely different. Your beliefs not changing would be like you drinking 20 beers and not getting drink (through will of course!. ha:) ).

I was telling a general story. I realize yours is probably much different as so many factors and variables are included. But dont think why you believe something is any different than anyone else. We are all in the same boat.

Why does it suck to be me?
-Because I am beyond guilt,regret,anger, jealousy, etc? Because I see things exactly as they should be. Because I see people acting the only way they know how… allowing me to transcend boundaries…allowing me to see myself NOT as superior or inferior but just as IS…as well as allowing me to see past good and evil… and allowing me to forgo the natural disrespect that accompanies religions like Christianity?

ya. sucks to be me.

lol - i love the irony of talking with you guys.

You tell me that what I belief is nonsense, and that what you believe is factual, and then you all go on to state that you don’t really possess an individuality or a higher mind - basically just a happenstance connection of neurons that spits out random chemical reactions - so there is in reality no factuality to be had . . .

lemme splain - if there is no self, and we are the result of mere biological processes and our thoughts are randomly generated electrical impulses - thought is just an illusion, truth is just an illusion - you don’t even have grounds to say that my beliefs are false because they would be the natural results of my brain chemistry - you and I could neither be right or wrong. So far you to even sound the slightest bit impressed with your own reasoning ability and to try to denigrate my reasoning would be from your standpoint basically meaningless . . .

It wouldn’t matter what you thought you chose or what your opinions are - you don’t even really have thoughts and your opinions are not even classifiable as yours - since there is no you . . .

Thanks - I feel much better now that I know you believe you cannot really think . . . LMAO You guys are a riot!!
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[quote]Buff HardBack wrote:
So now you can come back with your whole ‘your heart has been hardened by satin’ speech so I can, as you would say, LOL at you and respond with ‘no its people like you who hardened my heart’. [/quote]

Alas, methinks the great tempter - satin - hath hardened thy heart.

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[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
So now you can come back with your whole ‘your heart has been hardened by satin’ speech so I can, as you would say, LOL at you and respond with ‘no its people like you who hardened my heart’.

Alas, methinks this stuff hath hardened thy heart.

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Yep you are so right. Damned devil. What is a simple insignificant human like myself to do to resist such power…OH WAIT I just need to read a bible. Its so clear now.

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[quote]Buff HardBack wrote:
WHY DONT YOU PROVE YOUR RELIGION. Why is it that not one of you Bible thumpers/islamic extremists/ANYBODY who views thier religion as the only way it can be with NO PROOF. Why dont you go over to Iraq or afghanistan and preach to those lost souls and let me know how that works out for you. Oh and by the way stop LOLing. What are you a 14 year old sending a text?

- YouTube CAN WE SAY BRAINWASHED?
- YouTube There is another one for ya, christianity at its finest right there.

How meny stories have you read about some coward strapping bombs to himself and blowing himself up in a crowd of innocent people because he thought his ‘way’ was the right way? Religion has killed millions more than it will ever, EVER save.

So now you can come back with your whole ‘your heart has been hardened by satin’ speech so I can, as you would say, LOL at you and respond with ‘no its people like you who hardened my heart’. [/quote]

Wow - little hostility there eh? Well, don’t worry - just a chemical reaction - you;ll get over it . … or not . . . don’t really care . . .

if you knew anything about Christianity - you’d know that missionaries have and are doing precisely what you demanded in your first paragraph. I have friends there now risking their life to bear witness about their faith.

My choice of verbiage bothers you? too bad . . . still don’t care . . .

Yeah - we gotta watch out for those Christian suicide bombers . . . OHH - you’re lumping in Muslims now? Watch out-Lixy gonna get you . . .

You obviously haven’t been paying attention because I would never blame the devil for something you chose by your own free will . . . if your heart is hardened, that’s your own fault!

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:
lol - i love the irony of talking with you guys.
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Go read some books. Try to understand (not just read) my posts. Then get back to me.