That’s +1 above the average. I never realized how unbelievably backwards this mythology is.
Makes me wonder how true this quiz really is. I don’t remember being told any of this stuff in Sunday school, though I guess I must have been too busy wondering what color Sister Mary’s panties were.
(They were probably just boring, old, white, granny panties anyway.)
sigh…
[quote]Sloth wrote:
It’s not about God changing…Why do atheists always brag about how much they read the bible, yet turn around and miss that most of the time a specific people is being addressed (especially in the OT). Sorry, but most of our well read atheists are cut and pasters.
Edit: Sounds to me like most of you need to find some Israelites to address your questions to. [/quote]
Matthew 24:35 “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
Are you implying, Sloth, that most of the time the reader may ignore the Word of God if he is not a member of the specific people who are being addressed?
You’re familiar with the Jefferson Bible, no doubt?
I would be interested in seeing the Sloth Bible, with all of the parts which are only addressing the Israelites and other specific peoples (and therefore irrelevant to my life) cut out.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
It’s not about God changing…Why do atheists always brag about how much they read the bible, yet turn around and miss that most of the time a specific people is being addressed (especially in the OT). Sorry, but most of our well read atheists are cut and pasters.
Edit: Sounds to me like most of you need to find some Israelites to address your questions to. [/quote]
Indeed. There is nearly 2,000 years of Christian theology addressing reconciling the Old Testament with the New, the allegorical nature of Revelation, and much else. And yes, even as a Christian, it is hard not to find many troubling things in the Bible. For me, the Book of Job is a big one.
Edit: I got a 19. But part of that was because I tried, badly, to tailor my answers to what proselytizing atheists would want.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
It’s not about God changing…Why do atheists always brag about how much they read the bible, yet turn around and miss that most of the time a specific people is being addressed (especially in the OT). Sorry, but most of our well read atheists are cut and pasters.
Edit: Sounds to me like most of you need to find some Israelites to address your questions to. [/quote]
I would be fine with your logic, as long as you apply it consistently. If God was only speaking to the Israelites in the bible, why do Christianists try to quote the bible to condemn gays? I’m not an Israelite, but people are constantly quoting Paul to tell me that I’m going to hell.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s not about God changing…Why do atheists always brag about how much they read the bible, yet turn around and miss that most of the time a specific people is being addressed (especially in the OT). Sorry, but most of our well read atheists are cut and pasters.
Edit: Sounds to me like most of you need to find some Israelites to address your questions to.
Matthew 24:35 “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
Are you implying, Sloth, that most of the time the reader may ignore the Word of God if he is not a member of the specific people who are being addressed?
You’re familiar with the Jefferson Bible, no doubt?
I would be interested in seeing the Sloth Bible, with all of the parts which are only addressing the Israelites and other specific peoples (and therefore irrelevant to my life) cut out. [/quote]
Actually, no special bible needed. Anyone who has read the bible, knows very well who the covenants were made with.
[quote]forlife wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s not about God changing…Why do atheists always brag about how much they read the bible, yet turn around and miss that most of the time a specific people is being addressed (especially in the OT). Sorry, but most of our well read atheists are cut and pasters.
Edit: Sounds to me like most of you need to find some Israelites to address your questions to.
I would be fine with your logic, as long as you apply it consistently. If God was only speaking to the Israelites in the bible, why do Christianists try to quote the bible to condemn gays? I’m not an Israelite, but people are constantly quoting Paul to tell me that I’m going to hell.[/quote]
Because homosexuality is a sin. Same with prostitution, adultery, etc. Both, old and new.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Because homosexuality is a sin. Same with prostitution, adultery, etc. Both, old and new.
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How do you know that if the bible was only addressed to the Israelites? Are you changing that claim now?
[quote]forlife wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Because homosexuality is a sin. Same with prostitution, adultery, etc. Both, old and new.
How do you know that if the bible was only addressed to the Israelites? Are you changing that claim now?[/quote]
No, I’m illustrating you have absolutely no idea what the New Covenant is, and who falls under it, as evidenced by only mentioning Israelites in the context of your question. I haven’t changed my statement.
Clearly THE BIBLE = Christianity. After all, Christianity was established upon a book. The Apostles and the community of believers didn’t found the Church through worship and the celebration of the Eucharist. And the Holy Spirit - which only briefly alighted upon this God-forsaken earth - hasn’t instructed the minds, souls, and actions of men and women for the last 2,000 years as they have interpreted the Bible, shaped doctrine and dogma, worshipped, and celebrated the Eucharist.
edit: ^^ this be sarcasm of course.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Indeed. There is nearly 2,000 years of Christian theology addressing reconciling the Old Testament with the New, the allegorical nature of Revelation, and much else.[/quote]
Doesn’t it strike you as odd that the “Good Book” requires 2000 years of theological reconciliation to make sense? And even after that, it’s still full of bizarre passages.
I think God overreached. He should’ve stuck with the “10 rules on stone tablets” format. Concentrate on coming up with better rules, instead of going for the overly long, confusing novel that completely changes plot in the middle.
[quote]pookie wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Indeed. There is nearly 2,000 years of Christian theology addressing reconciling the Old Testament with the New, the allegorical nature of Revelation, and much else.
Doesn’t it strike you as odd that the “Good Book” requires 2000 years of theological reconciliation to make sense? And even after that, it’s still full of bizarre passages.
I think God overreached. He should’ve stuck with the “10 rules on stone tablets” format. Concentrate on coming up with better rules, instead of going for the overly long, confusing novel that completely changes plot in the middle.
[/quote]
History is always full of the bizarre. Killing hundreds of thousands to preserve a man made union. Fire bombings. Atomic bombings. Abortion. A bill of rights that doesn’t apply to the slaves living alongside the founders…
[quote]Sloth wrote:
forlife wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s not about God changing…Why do atheists always brag about how much they read the bible, yet turn around and miss that most of the time a specific people is being addressed (especially in the OT). Sorry, but most of our well read atheists are cut and pasters.
Edit: Sounds to me like most of you need to find some Israelites to address your questions to.
I would be fine with your logic, as long as you apply it consistently. If God was only speaking to the Israelites in the bible, why do Christianists try to quote the bible to condemn gays? I’m not an Israelite, but people are constantly quoting Paul to tell me that I’m going to hell.
Because homosexuality is a sin. Same with prostitution, adultery, etc. Both, old and new.
[/quote]
But, see, now who’s cherry-picking?
If homosexuality is a sin, then so is touching the skin of a pig (no more football), or having sex with a woman when she’s on her period (no more red wings), or mixing wool with linen.
Certainly Paul didn’t expect the Romans and the Corinthians to follow all of the Levitican laws (which were, after all, addressed to the Israelites, with the intention of making them a people apart from their neighbors), and yet he has a special enmity toward people given over to “shameful lusts.”
Funny, I don’t seem to remember Jesus criticizing homosexuals. They seem, in fact, to exemplify his Golden Rule. After all, who is better equipped than a gay man or a lesbian to do unto others as they would have others do unto them? 
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Sloth wrote:
forlife wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s not about God changing…Why do atheists always brag about how much they read the bible, yet turn around and miss that most of the time a specific people is being addressed (especially in the OT). Sorry, but most of our well read atheists are cut and pasters.
Edit: Sounds to me like most of you need to find some Israelites to address your questions to.
I would be fine with your logic, as long as you apply it consistently. If God was only speaking to the Israelites in the bible, why do Christianists try to quote the bible to condemn gays? I’m not an Israelite, but people are constantly quoting Paul to tell me that I’m going to hell.
Because homosexuality is a sin. Same with prostitution, adultery, etc. Both, old and new.
But, see, now who’s cherry-picking?
If homosexuality is a sin, then so is touching the skin of a pig (no more football), or having sex with a woman when she’s on her period (no more red wings), or mixing wool with linen.
Certainly Paul didn’t expect the Romans and the Corinthians to follow all of the Levitican laws (which were, after all, addressed to the Israelites, with the intention of making them a people apart from their neighbors), and yet he has a special enmity toward people given over to “shameful lusts.”
Funny, I don’t seem to remember Jesus criticizing homosexuals. They seem, in fact, to exemplify his Golden Rule. After all, who is better equipped than a gay man or a lesbian to do unto others as they would have others do unto them?
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But you said it yourself, the Israelites had been specifically addressed. The New Covenant is for all.
Jesus didn’t have to criticize homosexuality (in the bible). That was a no brainer. Though read what’s said about marriage. Then ask how homosexuality even remotely fits. Unless a homosexual man is willing to marry a woman so that he may have sex with her…
[quote]Sloth wrote:
But you said it yourself, the Israelites had been specifically addressed. The New Covenant is for all. [/quote]
Not according to the Book of Jeremiah.
[i] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.[/i]
Are you a member of the house of Judah or Israel? No?
Even if the New Covenant does apply to Gentiles, then they are obligated to follow all of the laws. After all, Jesus said:
[i]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.[/i]
Bear in mind that Paul was a Pharisee.
So, Sloth, how’s that beard coming? Remember to not trim the edges.
[quote]pat wrote:
Why are you seeking to mock Christianity? [/quote]
Because it’s not his religion.
And you do exactly the same, you hypocrite jackass!
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
Clearly THE BIBLE = Christianity. After all, Christianity was established upon a book. The Apostles and the community of believers didn’t found the Church through worship and the celebration of the Eucharist. And the Holy Spirit - which only briefly alighted upon this God-forsaken earth - hasn’t instructed the minds, souls, and actions of men and women for the last 2,000 years as they have interpreted the Bible, shaped doctrine and dogma, worshipped, and celebrated the Eucharist.
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Agreed. But that’s not going to work too well for most American Protestants, who often basically reject the concept of the Church and theological and doctrinal tradition.
[quote]lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
Why are you seeking to mock Christianity?
Because it’s not his religion.
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It’s not her religion. Oleena (the OP) is a woman.