The longer you hold the muscle the more effective the muscle memory, as I understand it.
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I’m in Saint Paul hbu
South suburbs for me.
We’re did u go to high school
Private school, shouldn’t give too much away in the internet, but it was in Rosemont. Based on where I grew up, would have been Eagan high school. Probably would have gotten a better education if I’m being honest.
I hear ya I went to tartan
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This forum really does suffer from a lack of a Private Message system. So many Off Topic post could be fixed.
Used to have a private message function. Apparently people took advantage of this to peddle illicit substances and whatnot.
I occasionally get emails from random suppliers through my unreal24278 email address in my bio (note this email isn’t connected to anything else involved with bodybuilding)
That must have been before my time here. Many offer their email address in their profile.
So I don’t see why the forum does not allow PM’s. No forum on the internet helps people like us more than T Nation. I have or have been a member of so many TRT/T/druggy forums and I always come back here to members who understand and have a bit of compassion when an experiment does not go as expected.
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If someone emails you to discuss gear and whatnot it’s not within the confines of the forum; thus I’d assume legal action can’t be taken against T-nation over two members discussing/engaging in illicit activities through third party networks unrelated to T-nation.
Two members selling gear/talking about sources and whatnot WITHIN forum confines, theoretically a different story.
I dont think muscle memory works for anything after genetic limit because the muscle we have on steroids is not normal.
Even if it works like that its not like you can re-gain it without the same cycle and since cycles are so short for people who cycle its not like you will gain TONS of muscle in 3 months, so after a PCT and losing it all comming off, not like it matters much if you get on a same cycle again and gain that muscle in 2,5 months.
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There are some interesting studies I can post on this later. It does appear as if AAS can permanently alter one’s genetic limit/genetic max, albeit not “extensively”. So perhaps you have a new genetic “drug free/TRT only” max at 5lbs higher than you’d otherwise be had you never taken AAS.
BUT, you can use a bunch of shit to make it look like you’ve gained a ton of muscle in three months before subsequently “deflating” once you go off… good for the old ego #gainzonrent
Gained 20lbs on test E 500mg/wk over ten weeks? Chances are MAYBE 6lbs of muscle, 5lbs of fat and 9lbs of water/glycogen and sodium etc
Wow this goes against every article I have ever read on muscle memory. I hope you are wrong brother Hank. I blast and experiment with AAS’s / sarms / peptides to get past my genetic limits.
If muscle memory only gets me back to square one as I age then I am wasting a ton of money on drugs, plus time and giving up life expectancy due to all this poisoning I am doing to my body.
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And they do take you there. Its just that if you get off completely, there is nothing to hold you there anymore.
If you plan on going off completely, then yes - you are. Thats why i dont understand cycling at all, because in long term - you will be back where your body allows it. Now if we speak on muscle memory and some articles and science - those always fail to mention - HOW MUCH. Like 3-5lbs of muscle more for a grown man is not noticable but technically it counts for that article. Like testosterone boosters - might boost 1%, but it does “boost” something.
Now this for 65 years, is something where drugs ar needed 
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I think you are right if going natty. I think a guy can hold more than that with a good trt dose (getting free t to top of the range or a bit higher).