An example of the Goldman Dilemma.
Deca and Tren are 19 -nors, typically associated with similar sides and tolerance in most people. I haven’t heard from many that do well on one but not the other. I’d love to try tren, but if I feel horrible mentally on NPP there’s a good chance it’ll happen with tren.
Let us know how the DHB goes. Like you I’m looking for s secondary injectible that works for me. At your recommendation I think I’m going with Tbol next blast late summer.
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Well… this forum is the first place i have ever seen or heard of, where people take drugs, that are supposed to be dangerous, toxic or even deadly or could take away a huge chunk of their lifespan to achieve absolutelly nothing, admit that and are ok with that…
Where i come from, people decide steroid way ONLY because its needed for their work or lifetime achievements. In this part of the world, 15 year olds start with dbol, KNOWING they probably wont live long. Even tho no one in here has died prematurely except for Konstantin Konstantinovs, but street talk is he was stabbed in a fight not dead because of lifetime steroid abuse.
Here, when kid asks for test, the dude who sells stuff would probably say : “you better become at least a male stripper”. Using DEADLY drugs, in a “safe dose” to become nothing and not make single buck of it, is something i do not understand, and i have never heared of anyone in this part of the world do that.
I do not judge anyone - i kinda think its a cool approach in a weird way, so i am very interested in communication with you guys, but as weird as i seem to you, you are something i just cant understand.
In my world, you take steroids either to fuck for lots of money, or to beat up people in crime business or fighting(sometimes illegal) , or to at LEAST try to become a champion in something. This is the only mindset i understand and the only reason people do steroids in my world, so picking an athlete lifestyle, going the drug way and then pissing your pants about lipids FOR ME is the same as going to a warzone where people blow up everywhere and bitching that your shoes are uncomfortable.
Actually, when i was a kid, that was a common practice, to get bitch slapped by some powerlifters in a gym, because you already got dbol and asked them how to take it. If they didnt like your reason or you didnt look experienced enough, you would be laughed at, and they would take away that shit from you.
There was a rule of thumb - you must weigh 220lbs and must squat at least 330lbs natty, to ask the big guys about drugs. No one would sell shit to you otherwise.
I think that this lifestyle is like a warzone and steroids are automatic weapons. You dont take those weapons to a paint ball game, and you also do not bitch about sore feet or bruised arm in a war if you already took the guns and went to war.
Im not saying my way is the right one, im just explaining myself as to why i say what i say.
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The difference between medicine and poison is the dose (in many cases). I started steroids to improve my health. I had low T, and with that comes increased chances of diabetes, and heart issues.
I now blast and cruise, which sacrifices some health benefits, but I keep it moderate (at least IMO).
Opposite here. It was reported he died from a stab wound. Street talk is he had a heart attack.
If I thought Testosterone was deadly in all doses, I also wouldn’t understand. It can be used to increase health. Even if using it for performance reasons, the risk is dependent on the dosage. The risk goes way up when one wants to look like a pro BBer, and takes the drugs necessary.
This leaves a ton of room for incredibly unfit people. At 220 lbs, a 330 lb squat doesn’t warrant steroids. I would think a fit guy squatting 330 lbs at much lower body weight would warrant roids before the out of shape guy.
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220lbs is considered average male… and not really out of shape… not lean, but definetly not out of shape… most people living in farms weigh over 220lbs…
This is me, when i was like… 17? around 210lbs… not lean, not big, not nothing… average teen in the gym… adding a few pounds and starting a dbol is normal 
10 yeas latter, only like 15-20lbs heavier… nattys weigh a lot and look a lot less imo.
I suppose the exception is if you are really tall. At 5’10" and 220 lbs I squatted 230 kg (507 lbs) in wraps just doing TRT. I was too fat at the time. I am about that strength now, but at 200-205 lbs. I also suck at squatting.
This is because you are leaner. That means more muscle at a heavier bodyweight, and the muscle looks bigger lean.
most people training are at least 180cm here(i suck at doing height math)…
yes, thats why that 220lbs for a natty didnt seem a lot… at 220lbs on boatloads of tren i look twice the size… 220lbs for a bulky natty is ok imo… at 6’2 i looked almost like nothing at that weight natty… i would need to be like 240lbs to look at least fat… so 220 is ok for a shorter natty imo to look bulky…
anyways, im not saying its good math, im just saying that 16-20 years ago in my country that was expected…
Height in CM / 2.54.
I am 178 cm. The average in the US is about 176 cm IIRC.
That’s what I was trying to say. It leaves a lot of room for unfit people. I also know some people under 220 lbs that would benefit from roids. A friend of mine is squatting over 600 lbs in sleeves, benching over 400 raw, and deadlifting over 700 lbs raw with a power bar. He weighs about 210. Would be crazy to see what he could do on gear.
While eating now i understood why you think that 220 could be unfit. I failed to mention that average salary is around 800usd a month and food prices are same as US while junk food and McDonald’s cost 2 times more. McDonalds is something you get once a year on your birthday at best. At 220lbs means you have calculated all the food sources and are serious about gym. When i was at that age, there was no such thing as fat people. Its mostly starving ones. Last 10 years its a bit better but in here there is no one as fat as some people you would consider “ok” by american standards. I believe thats why the 220lbs was a thing.
There was no such thing as meat or chicken at the time. We bought some waste product from chicken factory that came dried in a bag - it was like some sort of egg powder, it was bright yellow, tasted like ass, didnt blend almost at all, and you had to add lots of coffee to it to take the taste away a bit… we drank it over the bath tub because 50% of the time it came back up as it went down.
Some people could get organ meats that are cheap, and then there is a traditional milk product that is sort of like yoghurt(like milk gone bad) but its dry and in little chewy balls, it tastes a bit sour - it has lots of protein in it, i havent seen other countries besides baltics having it.
Carbs was just dry oats, you just pour in your mouth and swallow with water.
We got like 70-100g of protein at best.
In fact, in here, no one gets much more even nowdays. I have never had more than 120g of protein in my life. Its just not affordable.
A months supply of test, tho, costs like a few chicken meals.
So i guess thats why the math is a bit different here, but it doesnt really change my stance on steroids and WHY i would do them or who i think should not.
This sounds like you grew up in eastern Germany! Where are you from?
You seem to take an all or nothing approach, or close to it. That is fine, but I try to take a moderate approach.
I think many of the benefits of steroids can be had with much less risk if one is moderate.
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Eastern Germany is very very close, yes.
I grew up in post-USSR Baltic states… its simmilar to Eastern Germany(exactly the same regime, actually), only we stayed that way much longer because after the occupation times, Germany took care of Eastern Germany, but no one really did shit for Eastern Europe states 
80% of those countries are still not much better than Eastern Germany was that time
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A lot of westerners didn’t want that shit back 
but we managed it relatively well to get it back together. Still a lot of socialists and also the most alt right extremists there, not much work in many areas and a lot of ghost towns but all in all, it’s alright
Reddit steroid subsection and a few others come to mind.
Depending on where you live competitive athletics is perhaps considered an avenue out of otherwise crippling poverty/living in danger?
Because there are ways to use AAS in manner that don’t tank HDL down to single digits. It’s kind of a “would you rather live til 40 or til 60” type mentality. Harm reduction is considered an important aspect of this lifestyle. If I was going to use MDMA (using an analogy as AAS/rec drugs are along the same lines to me) I’d rather have the substance tested, take take a dose considered reasonably potent as to not disappoint as opposed to shoving down 500mg and becoming a hyperthermic, agitated, tremulous sweaty mess. There are safer ways and more dangerous ways to go about things, even in the realm of competitive athletics. You can opt for cardiac screening, blood tests, Kidney/hepatic ultrasound, BP monitoring etc… or you can crank up the Sdrol to 80mg/day and risk serious hepatotoxicity/perhaps a hypertensive crisis because safety doesn’t matter.
This is fallacious reasoning in my opinion. Especially if the athlete using is an endurance athlete, not everyone using AAS is a powerlifter/bodybuilder. Someone like Lance Armstrong would have not benefited significantly had he been able to squat 330 lbs.
If I’m running marathons and a little bit of nandrolone/whatever offsets catabolism associated with excessive endurance exercise and helps me train harder/recover faster there is no need for me to go out and try bench 315, deadlift 500 etc. My athletic pursuits wouldn’t overlap with the need to be very strong with the big three.
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I see you have been reading my posts lol. I would have used imo, but that’s just me being lazy.
I don’t remember average teens at my high school being 210lbs lean lol
How much should var cost my source said 160 for 100, 10 mg pills
I paid $.043/mg