What if I told you it’s possible to be a pro bodybuilder and not juice. Because, like, natural bodybuilding is a thing and the IFBB is a whole separate animal. Even natural bodybuilders tend to train bodyparts once a week, several of them have already told you that in this thread.
Yeah, what has broscience ever brought us other than demonstrating what actually works in the real world. Here are a few competitors that did not train in a way that your studies support. The left and middle are pros, the right will be a pro in a few months.
Are you saying these guys would’ve ended up even better developed if they trained differently? Or you think they would’ve reached these results “faster” if they trained differently? Or what?
Depending on the individual and his life stressors, I believe that a natural can gain 30 to 50 pounds of muscle with the upper end being achieved by almost no one. Although some smart alecks out there (no names, but you can guess by their repetitive statements) have estimated people can gain 25 pounds of muscle in their first year, I don’t think many people can achieve this.
But you might actually be able to gain fifteen or more in your first year. Do you have a starting picture?
I don’t think it matters at this point when the OP has already formed such fixed beliefs from reading so much shit on the internet. The most important thing is to give him something he will commit to so he gets into the gym and gets some actual experience lifting weights.
Oh shut UP JR! No son of a bitch is making fun of you in here because your starting out!! They are ripping your ass because your coming across as a know it all who knows jack and shit!! Yet wants to get into some god damn debate,making it even more ignorant… when a established PRO NATURAL BODYBUILDERcontradicts your view point!
I love this thread so much. OP comes in here acting like he’s asking a question, but at the end of the day is clearly just pushing an agenda. As if none of us are ‘open to different ideas’.
I’ve been training for 15+ years. Brick has trained for 20. Stu has trained for OVER 80 YEARS (that’s actually not true). Bulldog probably has though. I’m pretty sure he’s old.
The point is, we have all trained following quite a variety of templates and methods. I’ve done a lot of different things to try to stimulate maximum muscle growth. I’ve kept logs to track progress. Observation, over time, leads us to the conclusions we reach. And many, many successful lifters reach the same conclusions as each other. And those conclusions do not always match up directly with what some studies would predict to be the case. Mostly because there are a TON of variables that can’t be accounted for.
Something else for you to consider: not all muscle groups should be treated the same way. Do you really believe that if one were to deadlift every 2 or 3 days that optimal results would occur? I sure as hell don’t. I actually stall on deadlift very quickly when I deadlift every week. I have to wait 10-14 days between training sessions to make progress over a long period of time. However, I can overhead press successfully twice a week.
Have you considered exposure to injury risk when you came to to the conclusion that training more often is better? What about tendon and ligament health? It seems that is not the case.
Then why did you bother starting this thread asking for our opinions?
And just for curiosities sake, are there any other areas where you place your very limited experience above those who have been doing it for decades, and have already accomplished what you want to do?
Most seem to accept that a split is not a strict split because of the numerous different overlaps in compound moves which effectively mean most muscles get hit twice a week in some form or another anyway. All the split proponents are doing is putting their primary training focus on a specific muscle group each day. They’re not trying to exclude all other muscle engagement.
The dogmatic HF minions like Mr mma herein seem to completely ignore both what split proponents are saying (see above) AND the visual results and focus instead on this nonsensical idea, which is not even backed up by anecdotal evidence, that splits are all about unilateral iso moves which don’t engage any another muscles in any way. It’s asinine and burns my head out.
I have been having way too much joy over the amount of topics from people who haven’t accomplished anything explaining to people who HAVE accomplished things how they did it all wrong. I imagine this makes me a bad person in some way.
