I’ll tell you now that you don’t need to do this experiment to know if it is good or bad for you (assuming that when you say goo or bad for me, you are talking about your health).
Regarding #1, how do you determine that? Certainly there are plenty of people who check off on #2 and #3 that absolutely don’t check off #1 (I know some of them personally).
Ohhh and I thought it is the exact opposite, that’s why we need clinical data to determine if a drug is safe and effective. Stupid me.
Wait, I quickly go and tell the doctors, biologists, pharmacists and others at my hospital that we can stop doing experiments! We just give everybody every drug and they should take what makes them feel good!
Options to where we could instead distribute the millions of dollars of funding could be…mh maybe gender studies…or we could pay off some debt…ahh I got it! Let’s invest in in as many new ERs as we can build with the money, because we will then need them!
All the time I was on this forum I thought it was people with experience, people with knowledge and people with both coming together to help each other learn but apparently everybody should try everything out there and if it feels good, then recommend it! Cool! Who wants to start with meth? I’ll start with heroin, I heard people feel really good on it! I mean, if I don’t see damage after a week, there won’t be damage in 30 years, am I right?
Tren year round and if you can afford it in high doses is also definitely good for you! You’ll feel like Superman! You’ll probably behave like an asshole and trash your heart and vessels, but who cares about those clinical studies…only these people who think they know everything…bastards
There are lots of problems while reading studies you havent been close to or have no critical thinking.
There was an article that made people angry in my country, that said - only half of the imigrants from war zones are signed up for work. And our people went nuts with : “they live off our wellfare and they dont wanna work” so we have this hate relationship towards these people who are looking to escape death in their country, because - statistics say, only half of them want to work…
Sounds bad, right? Well, the only thing is… other half are old people and kids and they cant work. So yea… Statistically only half will work, but in reality everyone who can, will work. But people who have no clue about critical thinking, are just walking around and hating everyone whos skin is in a different color calling them parasytes.
Someone put an article about Clen in another thread… about a 61 year old, who abused clen for years and now we say that clen kills. As i mentioned on that thread - in my country lots of people dont live that long in natural conditions, and if they do, most of them are not so happy because of none existant wellfare.
I mean, when i say - use clen 2wks on/2wks off for like 3 cycles and be done with it, i believe its ok, if we compare it to someone dying at 61 from 10+ years of abuse.
Next problem with health studies is that no one is held in a cage and studied their whole life. Someone comes to doctor, says he is sick and he has been using steroids. So now all his diseases are written under “caused by steroids” but people often forget to mention that they did 5 years of coke in high school, use alcohol daily, etc.
All those studies are made from REPORTS and in medicine(my ex wife is a doctor) people LIE all the time. Like there was a dude who chopped his leg with an axe and he only came to the doctor 3 years later, when half his body was already rotten, because he just didnt wanna talk to doctors and explain that he was drunk and did it himself.
Just like all the diet studies are shit because we just give people diets and exercises and we believe they will stick to that, but statistically almost no one ever does, so all these data are just good and wishful thinking.
There has never been a study done, when we take a healthy person, examine them, put them in a cage, monitor them, and feed them steroids, and in 10 years we have a good study done.
Its all based off their own stories.
I agree with all of what you wrote in this post, but what iron yuppie already said and what I want to point out: we have studies on salbutamol for fat loss in isolation.
Also Clen is not a steroid and studied very well. Some steroids are also studied well but mostly in disease, the problems were already discussed on here numerous times.
I’m not saying clen doesn’t work, I’m not even saying Clen kills or WILL hurt you.
I am saying the risk with using Clen is definitely higher than with many drugs, so if you need to use a beta2 agonist then use salbutamol as it is a bit more safe while giving you with a very high likelihood the same positive physique effect (that’s why it can be purchased through nearly every big and reputable steroid seller). I’m also not talking about Olympia BBers or other high level competitors, I’m strictly giving this advice to a recreational athlete who just wants to look his best whilst minimizing risk.
Also, all of my advice (besides when I cite studies or give pharmacological information) is my opinion. You can value that as you’d like. If someone wants experience he comes to you, if someone wants knowledge from a pharmacist he comes to me and if we can get along here, he can get both and way the risk and reward in an even better manner.
Well said. Must agree.
@lordgains
Can you comment on type of salbutamol (syrp/pills/inhaler) that is best to use and the daily dosage? Iwas looking at this for two reasons. Relieve airway restriction and some fat loss.
Thanks in advance. Sorry to highjack your post OP
For airway restriction (asthma, COPD) typically inhalers are used as the micro particles only very poorly get absorbed and therefore only act locally. So with an inhaler like someone that has asthma uses, you wouldn’t see fat loss.
Studies say to that: “It was previously shown to increase metabolic rate (oxygen consumption) and lipolysis when given by inhalation at four times the therapeutic dose of 200 μg”
So that’s not what one would do to enhance dieting.
I have pills at home of 2.5 mg. I’d start at half of that and you have to take it 2-3 times daily.
I’d do ~1 mg right after waking and around 2 pm and none in the evening. You can work up to 2-4 mg but you should not overdo it. Not feeling all jittery for hours is not a bad thing, it will work even if you don’t have major sides. Also, if you have a heart condition don’t. Also, be aware of the side effect profile of b2 agonists. It is significantly safer than clen in the end; but not without risk.
Thanks for the reply. Is there atypical length of time this is taken for or an on/off/on/off like clen?
Beta receptor down-regulation happens with albuterol too. Since albuterol taken as I said is eliminated completely every night, the problem shouldn’t be as pronounced as with clen or taking albuterol more often. Still, I’d take a one week break after 3 weeks. Especially if you take higher doses than 4 mg 3 times a day, it will be necessary.
So 3 weeks on, one week off should suffice. Since Albuterol has left the body after one day, the other 6 days will only be necessary to ensure upregulation of beta receptors.
Thanks. Sorry for all the questions. I need to be talked to like a 10 year old when it comes to this stuff. Appreciate the response. Was looking into clen as I have never tried it but after a little research and reading this thread I may go the this direction.
Clen and Albuterol are like two different esters of the same drug. They differ in kinetics. With Beta-adrenergic agonists this is huge, as you don’t have to expose your body to overstimulation for 24 hours, but you can pick a window. This makes it less side effect prone (it’s faster in and out, dose control is easier) and less dangerous (the heart is not working overtime all day and during night time there’s no additional stimulation which gives the body time to recover).
A nice side effect is muscle growth which is researched very well with Albuterol/Salbutamol. Clearly there is not much muscle growth in a deficit but even if it just help keep all muscle, that’s a plus.
Thanks again for the info. I ordered some salbutamol earlier. I’ll give it a try.
Please report your experience back, I think it would be good to have additional data on what @iron_yuppie @hankthetank89 and I have discussed.
Good luck on your cut!
Thanks, i’m at 188 from 201 in february. It’s starting to get hard. Hopefully another month or so and i can get back to maintinance. 2100 calories sucks!!!
I did clen a few times a few years ago. The negatives outweighed the benefits for me. I did suffer cramps. Bad cramps when trying to take a poop… Not good. Insomnia. I think the clen dried me out, so when I popped my hamstring when deadlifting 405, I blamed it on my muscles being dry. My blood pressure also went up and it took a long time for it to go down after clen. My heart rate was of course higher. Clen for bodybuilding purposes should be used for a specific goal (show, photoshoot). I haven’t done Clen since and don’t think I will again. I use ephedra from time to time. And I do have an albuterol pump, so I think I will experiment with that.