So the bottle-top filter units are terrific. They’re kind of like flying first class after having spent your life flying coach: you’ll find yourself completely spoiled and loathe to ever, ever return to those “times best forgotten.”
They are pretty simple. There is a top container unit and a bottom container unit, both sterile and separated by a filter which is attached to the top unit. The top unit is screwed into the bottom unit. When you are done with it, you will unscrew the top and throw it away, and either put a sterile cap (included) on the bottom unit or move directly to transferring your product to vials.
The filtration is achieved by the use of a vacuum pump. I actually use a hand pump for draining break lines on an automobile. It doesn’t matter, so long as it has a pressure gauge and a tube that will fit your filter and your pump (where ever you buy your filter units will also sell these pumps). You use more or less pressure depending upon the size of your vessel and the diameter of your filter. This is just something you have to work out with trial and error, but it doesn’t take much more than a few lbs. of pressure, and you don’t want too much because you’ll either crack your vessel or tear your filter (both of which I’ve done enough times to be careful not to do it anymore!).
Then the fun part begins. Where your buddy is breaking his thumb in half making a huge mess with his inefficient, sloppy, frustrating syringe filters, you pump your hand pump about 5 times and then go read T-Nation or watch TV or have sex with your wife or any number of pleasurable activities while the vacuum does its work automatically for you! Sure, you have to go check on it every now and again, and give it a few pumps to re-establish pressure, but anyone who has done any significant amount of syringe filtration and has not yet used these probably just stopped to wipe the drool off his keyboard.
To repeat:
Pour oil in top of filter unit and put on the lid
Attach hand pump and pump about 5 times
Go do something else
Come back and check every 15 to 20 minutes, giving it a few pumps at those times.
Et voila!
Would this be advisable for small amounts like 10 grams at a time? It seems easy enough and the units are only $8-10. I should redo some of my stuff but they are small amounts. By the way thanks Cortes you didnt even tear into me, sometimes I miss the a$$ reamings I took from Brook. Were has he been?
[quote]IKIMURA wrote:
Would this be advisable for small amounts like 10 grams at a time? It seems easy enough and the units are only $8-10. I should redo some of my stuff but they are small amounts. By the way thanks Cortes you didnt even tear into me, sometimes I miss the a$$ reamings I took from Brook. Were has he been?[/quote]
You mean 10g of actual powder? Like 100ml of prop? Yes, this would be a reasonable amount. I’ve found that a given filter can run at least 150, almost always 200ml of oil. I’ve talked with a few friends, one of whom has run as much as 330ml through a 90mm diameter filter. The smaller your filter diameter, obviously, the less product you are eventually going to be able to get through it, but I don’t feel it is really a 1:1 ratio, so much. I feel like I can get nearly as much through a 50mm diameter neck bottle top as I can a 90mm diameter neck one, it just takes a bit longer.
Yes like 10grams actual powder like 100ml of prop. How much do you loose with a bottle filter setup? I don’t really care because I am tired of the inj pain. I am going to get some antibiotics going in a few days if the leg pain doesnt go away. I am just curious on how much product is lost.
I used to make a big mess with syringe filters. I can’t imagine any more product is lost with a bottle top unit than with a multitude of syringe filters. Probably less, provided you don’t screw up, but then, the cool thing with bottle tops is, even if you say, tear through a filter with too much pressure, you can just pour everything into a new filter (provided you bought more than one, which you should have!).
Also if you are a real tight-ass about money, you can leave the pump in well after the oil has drained though and make sure that every damned last drop has sucked through that filter. This is not an option with syringe filters, which are necessarily going to have a small amount of dead space at the end that the plunger you will not be able to push past.
Here is a update. I have been in some pain so I quit daily’s for three days. I still am a little sore on the right quad. I had a hair up my butt and decided to try some of my TRT test E home brew. I made it at 200mg per ml. I shot 100mg in my left quad last night and as of today ZERO pain. I made the test E and tren A on the same day and used the same .22 whatman for all 100ml (50ml tren & 50 ml Test E). I filtered the Test E first and then the Tren. The Test is a nice clear finish and the Tren is cloudy.
So either the filter broke down on the Tren or the stuff crashed. I sent Cortes a email that said I felt no size, strength or gained any weight on this two weeker. True I gained no weight but as of yesturday I made a personal best in my bench. So I guess it must of helped! I ordered the bottle filters and new sterile vials.
So I am going to filter the Tren and Test P I have again and see if that helps with inj pain. My Test P is very nice and clear but I still get sore from it. Nothing, zero notta bit of pain from my Test E!!! It seem those short ester products are what is giving me the problems. Hopefully another filter job and all will be good.
here is filter question-
How do you sterially transfer the freshly filtered oil from the bottom container to a sterial vial? I was thinking on overkill using a syringe filter to fill vails???
It sounds like you are one of the people that just gets pain from the prop ester. If you are one of those people no amount of filtering or change in solvent ratios will help. It’s not really a big deal. Test E can be used for anything.
Yes, transfer from the bottom vessel to vials truly is the big quandary. I actually backfill a 60ml syringe to transfer, but if anyone comes up with any better ideas I sure would like to hear them.
Backfilling a 60ml syringe without making a huge mess is a big of an art that, after repeated big messes, I’ve managed to master, however. I will tell you you must start with a 25g needle with the sheath on attached. Then hold it on while pushing the plunger in the turning at the perfect angle. It takes practice, lemme tell ya. Then you can switch to a 20 or 18g needle and have at the transfer.
I’m sorry I’m out the door right now and I have no more time to explain.
