How Advanced is My Gyno?

Pharma / TRT
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I’m 22 and just started running my first PH cycle three weeks ago- phera plex and epistane.
30mg Phera/day, 60mg Epistane/day. I ran the epi so high because I was paranoid of getting gyno and I’d read that it was anti estrogen. I don’t know how I’m getting it if I was running epistane so high throughout, but whatever. Here I am.

I was 10% BF at the beginning of my cycle and completely overdid my eating throughout because I somehow thought that the PH would make everything I ate turn into muscle. I’m now at 15% and I’m scared stiff.

I’ve always had extra skin/fat on my chest since puberty- it just won’t leave. Quite likely obesity-induced during puberty. However, the nipples are becoming sensitive now (possibly because I’ve been touching them to make sure they’re not gyno?), they’ve turned a bit pink, and there’s a ring of small dots around both nipples, although the left one is more pronounced.

Basically, I think I’m starting to get gyno. I’m stopping everything right now and I have two bottles of ATD. I started taking 6 pills a day today (25mg/pill) at 3 pills a dose when I wake up and go to bed, and I just want to know:

  1. Will the ATD be enough?

  2. How long should I expect it to take?

  3. Do I need to get Nolvadex, Clomid, or letrozole? What timeframe do I need to start on them to avoid permanent damage if I do need them? I have some soures, but it will be between one and three weeks before I can get them.

Thank you! I have read the sticky, but I’m hoping that it’s not advanced enough to need letro.

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You need nolvadex, since it directly targets the estrogen receptors in breast tissue. If you use it soon enough can reverse your symptoms and eliminate it. If you wait to long it might become a permanent thing, only fixable with plastic surgery.

Is there a lump under the nipple?

Either way, if you are concerned about it you need to get nolva ASAP. Any of this over the counter crap won’t do a damn thing.

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60mg of epistane is really a really high dose. its anti estrogen properties were reported around 10mg a day… not 60. if you squeeze your nips and liquid comes out, its def gyno. check for lumps behind the nipple too.

waylanderxx is correct too, you need a SERM like nolva asap. I’d stop the cycle too.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
With a question like this, don’t you think a picture might be in order?

BBB[/quote]

Lol. I was thinkin the same thing. I was bracing myself for some ridiculous nipple pic.

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Yeah, quite the sensational headline & first post, Luke.

As waylander wrote, pick up some nolva immediately. If you can get some medical grade material in 3 weeks, that’s fine but you should still order some via other dependable channels to hold you over (unless you’re halfway around the world).

If it makes you feel any better, it sounds like you might only be in the very preliminary stages so this should be quite fixable. Chop chop.

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He likely has massive estrogen rebound caused by dosing the epistane so high.

He suppressed his E, it rebounded, he had no SERM for PCT.

The end.

I would jump on nolva at the least.

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[quote]Thatguy1083 wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
With a question like this, don’t you think a picture might be in order?

BBB

Lol. I was thinkin the same thing. I was bracing myself for some ridiculous nipple pic.[/quote]

x2

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[quote]whotookmyname wrote:
Yeah, quite the sensational headline & first post, Luke.

As waylander wrote, pick up some nolva immediately. If you can get some medical grade material in 3 weeks, that’s fine but you should still order some via other dependable channels to hold you over (unless you’re halfway around the world).

If it makes you feel any better, it sounds like you might only be in the very preliminary stages so this should be quite fixable. Chop chop.[/quote]

Now, I still have plenty of epistane- should I be running that at 20 mg/day or should I drop everything and let my hormonal system start correcting itself? I know that the anabolic:androgenic ratio is 12, so it’s not very suppressive at low doses.

I’ll get a pic tonight. As a caveat, I’ve had the biggest man-nipples you’ve ever seen since puberty (obesity-induced gyno), plus my brother, who was in excellent shape while in puberty also has large man-nipples, so there’s even more genetic pre-disposal.

Edit: Western Union declined my transfer and I have no idea why. Because of this, I cannot get nolvadex/letrozole. Is there anything I can do OCT that does anything? If not, I will go to a doctor.

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[quote]LukeTheDuke wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
Yeah, quite the sensational headline & first post, Luke.

As waylander wrote, pick up some nolva immediately. If you can get some medical grade material in 3 weeks, that’s fine but you should still order some via other dependable channels to hold you over (unless you’re halfway around the world).

If it makes you feel any better, it sounds like you might only be in the very preliminary stages so this should be quite fixable. Chop chop.

Now, I still have plenty of epistane- should I be running that at 20 mg/day or should I drop everything and let my hormonal system start correcting itself? I know that the anabolic:androgenic ratio is 12, so it’s not very suppressive at low doses.

I’ll get a pic tonight. As a caveat, I’ve had the biggest man-nipples you’ve ever seen since puberty (obesity-induced gyno), plus my brother, who was in excellent shape while in puberty also has large man-nipples, so there’s even more genetic pre-disposal.

Edit: Western Union declined my transfer and I have no idea why. Because of this, I cannot get nolvadex/letrozole. Is there anything I can do OCT that does anything? If not, I will go to a doctor. [/quote]

Edit: I got hooked up with a legit research chemical supplier (THANKS!!!) and I will be on real stuff ASAP. Thanks.