[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:
At night, I take (2) HOT-ROX, (3) Alpha Male and (1) 50mg DHEA. Never bothers my sleep.[/quote]
Wow-
If I take HOT-ROX after 4pm I’m staring at the ceiling 1/2 the night.
It’s best in the a.m. in my opinion for the same reasons someone listed above. Feel good effect and clarity. A good way to start the day.
A stand alone A7-E product sounds very interesting for the reasons stated. Due to the minimal amount of caffeine per capsule, I personally wouldn’t want to take HOT-ROX near bedtime. Sound Sleep is critical!
[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
A stand alone A7-E product sounds very interesting for the reasons stated. Due to the minimal amount of caffeine per capsule, I personally wouldn’t want to take HOT-ROX near bedtime. Sound Sleep is critical![/quote]
Im not sure of your reasoning, but the amount of caffeine in HOT-ROX is tiny and not enough to cause any sleep disturbances. Its the other components that can cause sleep disturbances…
Interesting thoughts.
I think I’m one of those people that doesn’t notice much change in sleeping patterns, as I have taken my HOT-ROX later than expected from time to time.
Some things to think about anyway. Thanks for the ideas.
[quote]Velvet Revolver wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
A stand alone A7-E product sounds very interesting for the reasons stated. Due to the minimal amount of caffeine per capsule, I personally wouldn’t want to take HOT-ROX near bedtime. Sound Sleep is critical!
Im not sure of your reasoning, but the amount of caffeine in HOT-ROX is tiny and not enough to cause any sleep disturbances. Its the other components that can cause sleep disturbances…
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Every individual is different. I know some people who are so caffeine sensitive ingesting a minimal amount in the early afternoon will hamper their sleep eight hours later.
For me I don’t know if that’s the case I have taken HOT-ROX as late as five in the evening and gone to bed at ten eleven at night okay.
It’s just been lately I have trouble falling asleep with out any evening supplement substances in my body and I wouldn’t want to risk a sleepless night even with a minimal amount of caffeine that’s why I think a stand alone A7-E product would be great.
[quote]Proteinpowda wrote:
I think you’re all turning into the old version of me; overly-concerned.
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Not really. Vroomy isn’t snapping pics while posing as his dog licks his schlong. Nor is he ranting on the evils of 1/2 ounce of light beer. This is a legitimate thread with some real goat thinking.
Bastard!
[quote]BFG wrote:
Proteinpowda wrote:
I think you’re all turning into the old version of me; overly-concerned.
Not really. Vroomy isn’t snapping pics while posing as his dog licks his schlong. Nor is he ranting on the evils of 1/2 ounce of light beer. This is a legitimate thread with some real goat thinking.
Bastard![/quote]
Yeah, powda it seems like you’re trying to sound all serious and experienced to me it just rings corny and phony IMO.
Guys, great thread! Seems like standalone A7-E is the ideal solution here, however we have to make do with what we have available to us. I would rather not use Carbolin 19 while trying to cut, and as I have a hard enough time falling asleep as it is, taking HOT-ROX beore bed sounds like a bad idea.
So does Methoxy-7 fit into this equation anywhere?
[quote]BFG wrote:
Not really. Vroomy isn’t snapping pics while posing as his dog licks his schlong. Nor is he ranting on the evils of 1/2 ounce of light beer. This is a legitimate thread with some real goat thinking.
Bastard![/quote]
You’ve been served…Doh!
Methoxy-7 could definitely be something I’d imagine taking before bed.
Also, for us 4-cappers of Carbolin 19 if we split up the dose to 1 pill at a time throughout the day.
Great post. I really don’t get a kick from HOT-ROX so for people that don’t have the problem with falling asleep while on it, it probably would be great. I’ve taken it 2 hours before bed without a problem so it is probably based on the individual for sure.
[quote]Proteinpowda wrote:
I think you’re all turning into the old version of me; overly-concerned.
Supplements are secondary; they’re ancillaries to everything else. Instead of worrying about this stuff…well don’t. Make the best of what you have and do the best you can. If you want to go ahead and make a case study out of it we’d all love to hear your results but nothing can replace the three main staples:
Dedication
Good program fed by knowledge
Good nutrition created by learning[/quote]
When you’re trying to lose that last 2 or 3% bodyfat without losing any more muscle mass, any extreme measure is worth looking at.
Lots of good brain-storming going on.
I know I’ve ended up taking HOT-ROX later in the evening and never really had any problems falling asleep. So I might have to give this a try.
If I do, I’ll keep you guys updated.
[quote]bikemike wrote:
Proteinpowda wrote:
I think you’re all turning into the old version of me; overly-concerned.
Supplements are secondary; they’re ancillaries to everything else. Instead of worrying about this stuff…well don’t. Make the best of what you have and do the best you can. If you want to go ahead and make a case study out of it we’d all love to hear your results but nothing can replace the three main staples:
Dedication
Good program fed by knowledge
Good nutrition created by learning
When you’re trying to lose that last 2 or 3% bodyfat without losing any more muscle mass, any extreme measure is worth looking at.[/quote]
As stated PREVIOUSLY if anyone wishes to try this I would love to hear the results. I am not saying I am in opposition to this in any manner; I use myself as a guinea pig all the time.
My personal issues with this:
Sleeping problems
Amount of caffeine in HOT-ROX. I do feel it’s essential to increase your caffeine intake while cutting (atleast for me).
Do we really want to ramp up our metabolism at night? This I’m unclear on. Let me explain why:
Is our body going to burn fat more easily at night? I would think it is the preferred source of energy due to sleeps low metabolic demands and thus low need for carbohydrate metabolism. So is this the preferential time to be burning fat? Or are we better off just taking HOT-ROX during the day and buring fat in a more active, or exercising state?
Also we are not eating for 8 hours and are thus in a catabolic state…
Just my 2 cents.
Sincerely The Sleepy Powda
I want to know what would happen if you took your full Methoxy-7 doses at night.
I wake up in the middle of the night to have another Grow! shake. Wonder if it would be a fair time to throw down some Methoxy-7.
Also, we haven’t discussed splitting up doses more.
Say, 4x1 Carbolin 19 vs 2x2 Carbolin 19
I have been taking 1 pill RIGHT before bed the last couple of nights with no noticable sleep differences. I, however, am not really effected by caffeine… so thats worth considering. Just my side of the experiement.
I’ve been doing two HOT-ROX in the morning, two Carbolin 19 in the early afternoon, and two more Carbolin 19 at bed time. I also take three Methoxy-7 at each of those times, and three Alpha Male at each of the morning and afternoon times.
No sleep problems. No interaction problems (but I’m very stimulant tolerant, so don’t take that as a universal response). So far, I’m liking the combo.
Here is my take, but I have only been lifting for a short time now compared to most. I have just recently (within the past 2 months) even started taking HOT-ROX.
So, I was up late on Friday and slept till around 9 am on Saturday. Took my morning dose, and stayed pretty much on target as for as my daily routine with the exception of not working that day. Anyway, the next thing I new, it was around 9pm and I hadn’t taken my second dose, normally I would have skipped it but I thought why not take it and report back to this thread.
So, long story short, I took it around 9:15 pm and finally fell asleep around 4:30 am, my opinion, taking it at night, extremely effected my sleep. Did not try it again on Sunday, as I had to work the next day, so, even though my body may grow accustome to taking it at night and thus not effect my sleep, I won’t know as I cant risk it during the week while I am at work, so, for me, it will remain, first dose at 6:30 am and second dose around 1 pm.
Just my input.
[quote]michaelv wrote:
I’ve been doing two HOT-ROX in the morning, two Carbolin 19 in the early afternoon, and two more Carbolin 19 at bed time. I also take three Methoxy-7 at each of those times, and three Alpha Male at each of the morning and afternoon times.
No sleep problems. No interaction problems (but I’m very stimulant tolerant, so don’t take that as a universal response). So far, I’m liking the combo.[/quote]
What are your goals for this?
Are you attempting to gain more muscle and lose more fat at the same time?
I think its a great set up… I’m just curious as to the purpose of this strategy…
To be honest, I like the HOT-ROX in the morning just for the wake-up call, and to kick-start the metabolism. I don’t work out in the morning, so I figure that has to help a bit.
The goal is to build slowly while staying lean, at least for the summer. So yes, actually getting leaner and adding a little muscle would be ideal. But I’m not looking for big mass gains during the summer.
Once colder weather rolls in, I intend to stress mass gain a little more and leaness a bit less, so might need to re-evaluate then.