Homosexuality in Prison

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]ephrem wrote:
clip11 wrote:…no clip, you are a homophobe because you are a closet homosexual! Many men with a agressive, and often violent, aversion to homosexuality are themselves homosexual. Research shows that. Your psychological “tell” on this subject is very clear and undeniable, and anything you say just proves that point further…

I dont care what you want to call me just because I point out the obvious…I know what I am and those that know me know what I am. Thats a weak argument you have…since you cant prove me wrong, you instead start name calling.

Youre a homo and because i dont like your ways, then I must be a homo. I dont follow your logic. In fact, it confuses me more than anything.

And isnt it mighty funny how that argument is used exclusively to homosexuality and to nothing else.

I dont care what you want to call me just because I point out the obvious. I know what I am and those that know me know what I am. It’s a strong argument that i have, since you haven’t proven me wrong, except for voicing your opinion.

I never said i’m a homo, so i will say that now: i am not a homosexual man. You keep insisting that your opinion on other people’s sexuality, despite the fact that you also keep insisting your don’t share that brand of sexuality, is absolute truth. When i do the same thing to you and your sexuality, you deny it’s true. So either we’re both right or we’re both wrong, because we use the same methodology of establishing truth about other people’s sexuality. So which is it, and why?
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I dont have sex with other men, and the men who im saying are homos do have sex with other men, thats why. If they didnt then there would be nothing I could say.

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[quote]worzel wrote:
explained quite calmly that it is all about power, fear and control!
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Which is, they say, the motivation heterosexual men have for raping women. I’m not certain I believe that in all cases. But be that as it may, I’m sure in many or most assault-type rapes, power and control are the arousing factor.

Mick, I keep thinking you can’t horrify me any more than you already have, and then you somehow manage to horrify me even more. Why are you so filled with hate?

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I suppose that desire for power and control over others is what motivates heterosexual and pedophile rapists as well. It is sick, regardless of the gender of the victim.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
forlife wrote:

There is a difference between your natural attraction, and your sexual expression.

Sexual orientation is not always the same as sexual behavior.

You are one messed up little man huh? Sexual expression…sexual orientation…sexual attraction BLa bla bla…Do you think of all these bullshit lines when your wiping the crap off your dick from a night of good times with your boyfriend?

LMAO

You’re sick and pathetic.

Keep hammering a way at the keyboard you might start to feel better…temporarily at least.
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You could go pro at being stupid.

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…and so we come full circle: most men who have sex with other men are gay, but there are also heterosexual men who have [had] sex with other men. The fact that they had same-sex sex does not make them gay because sexual orientation does not rely upon just the sex act, otherwise gay men who were married to a woman and have children with that woman wouldn’t be gay, but heterosexual…

…allright, lol, read this for as long as you need to ‘get’ it, because i admit, it can be confusing, and do try to relax a little about this issue clip, homosexuality isn’t contagious or something…

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It’s funny how the only people that call me a liar are those that vehemently oppose homosexuality. Others consider me a pretty honest and respectful guy. I’m sure it’s just coincidence.

I normally try not to address personal attacks, or return them in kind, so I’ll ignore the rest of your post.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:

Mick, I keep thinking you can’t horrify me any more than you already have, and then you somehow manage to horrify me even more. Why are you so filled with hate?

Okay I’ll play…

Here’s the problem, forlife has twisted the truth, misrepresented the facts and uses out right lies on a regular basis. He’s been caught in the act by many reputable posters on this board. Ask Tunderbolt, Zeb and several of the others why they don’t bother with him anymore. That’s why I dubbed him “Forliar”. He’s a twisted sick little freak who simply wants to somehow rationalize leaving his family to play butt pirate.

Is that hateful? Or is it hateful to leave your two kids and your wife?

But let’s get to the real matter as to why you singled me out. You’re a liberal and agree with his twisted philosophy.

There you go babe…[/quote]

No, it is because you are an asshole.

And I am not a liberal.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:

Mick, I keep thinking you can’t horrify me any more than you already have, and then you somehow manage to horrify me even more. Why are you so filled with hate?

Okay I’ll play…

Here’s the problem, forlife has twisted the truth, misrepresented the facts and uses out right lies on a regular basis. He’s been caught in the act by many reputable posters on this board. Ask Tunderbolt, Zeb and several of the others why they don’t bother with him anymore. That’s why I dubbed him “Forliar”. He’s a twisted sick little freak who simply wants to somehow rationalize leaving his family to play butt pirate.

Is that hateful? Or is it hateful to leave your two kids and your wife?

But let’s get to the real matter as to why you singled me out. You’re a liberal and agree with his twisted philosophy.

There you go babe…[/quote]

Okay, I’m back. I had to read approximately one million posts to find the terrible truth about forlife’s past so I could join you in your loathing of his sick, twisted freakiness. But…I dunno. He and his wife were devout members of a fundamentalist community and they for whatever reason felt pushed to marry. And then it didn’t work out. Honestly? I’m more shocked by your venomous attacks than by forlife’s story, which to me is regrettable rather than abominable.

Oh, well, Zeb, huh? Then I guess that’s that.

Just kidding. The only absolute authority I recognize on these boards is Varqanir. I can’t make any final decisions on the matter of forlife’s truthfulness until word comes down from him.

I keep telling you I’m not a liberal, and you keep saying I am. Wouldn’t I be in a better position to know? And as for “twisted philosophy,” what philosophy? I will certainly agree that forlife has an agenda – clearly – but I haven’t seen a philosophy espoused.

I worked with a girl a few years ago who belonged to a very repressive religious community. She was getting ready to graduate high school and was struggling with the question of whether or not to break with her religion. On the “break away” side was that she was being actively discouraged from going to college. She also had a boyfriend of two years that she was seeing secretly because he was not a member of her faith community (and didn’t want to be). The dilemma for her was that breaking away meant being ostracized by the people she’d known all her life and possibly her family. Even if she continued to see her family there would be a rift. But if she stayed, what? She would break up with the boy she said she loved and presumably marry someone she’d known since childhood but didn’t love romantically, probably soon after graduation. She’d have kids. She’d be poor, but it wouldn’t matter that much because her life would be centered around the church. If she left, her tentative plan was to go to community college.

So, how would you have advised her at age 17, Mick? Stay or break?

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
worzel wrote:
explained quite calmly that it is all about power, fear and control!

Which is, they say, the motivation heterosexual men have for raping women. I’m not certain I believe that in all cases. But be that as it may, I’m sure in many or most assault-type rapes, power and control are the arousing factor.
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Agreed! I truly believe what this man was saying’ that homosexuality was not the motivating factor in his decision to routinely rape the men in his prison.

Concerning the argument about sexual orientation and sex acts, I believe they are two separate things however they are also the same! This is the paradox that is human behavior and is a complete contradiction to the logical argument some posters are trying to communicate.

We are all individuals with a set Genotype. As you know not all organisms with the same genotype look or act the same way, because appearance and behavior are modified by environmental and developmental conditions, which brings us on to the Phebotype! Phenotype explains why ‘some’ behaviors conflict with a predetermined genetic coding, in this case sex acts V’s sexual orientation.

The Milgram Experiment proves that people will act against their personal conscience, which leads us to the argument that social structures can and do influence how people act.

There is no blanket explanation for human behavior, considering the amount of external factors that influence us throughout our entire lives!

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
He and his wife were devout members of a fundamentalist community and they for whatever reason felt pushed to marry. And then it didn’t work out. Honestly? I’m more shocked by your venomous attacks than by forlife’s story, which to me is regrettable rather than abominable.
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I agree that it is regrettable. While I couldn’t in good conscience marry a woman knowing then what I know now, I will always be grateful for the two beautiful children I have in my life :slight_smile:

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:

Mick, I keep thinking you can’t horrify me any more than you already have, and then you somehow manage to horrify me even more. Why are you so filled with hate?

Okay I’ll play…

He’s a twisted sick little freak who simply wants to somehow rationalize leaving his family to play butt pirate.

Is that hateful? Or is it hateful to leave your two kids and your wife?

There you go babe…[/quote]

Beyond harsh’ and totally off point!

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[quote]worzel wrote:
We are all individuals with a set Genotype. [/quote]

Actually, there is pretty good evidence for genetic and in utero influences on sexual orientation, in addition to the social influences you mention. As with most human characteristics, sexual orientation is derived from both genetics and environment.

Here’s a representative article on a new study being published in the National Academy of Sciences:

[quote]Brains of gay men show similarities to those of heterosexual women, study reports.

The study, being published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, suggests a basic biological link between sexual orientation and a range of brain functions.

By Denise Gellene, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

The brains of gay men resemble those of straight women, according to research being published Tuesday that provides more evidence of the role of biology in sexual orientation.

Using brain scanning equipment, researchers said they discovered similarities in the brain circuits that deal with language, perhaps explaining why homosexual men tend to outperform straight men on verbal skills tests – as do heterosexual women.

The area of the brain that processes emotions also looked very much the same in gay men and straight women – and both groups have higher rates of depressive disorders than heterosexual men, researchers said.

The study in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, however, found the brain similarities were not as close in the case of gay women and straight men.

Previous studies have found evidence that sexual orientation is hard-wired. More than a decade ago, neurobiologist Simon LeVay reported that a key area of the hypothalamus, a brain structure linked to sexual behavior, was smaller in homosexual men compared to heterosexual men.

The latest study, led by Ivanka Savic of the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, was significant in that it looked at areas of the brain that have nothing to do with sexual behavior, suggesting there was a basic biological link between sexual orientation and a range of brain functions.

“The question is – how far does it go?” said Dr. Eric Vilain, who studies human sexual development at UCLA and was not involved in the study. “In gay men, the brain is feminized. Is that limited to particular areas or is the entire brain female-like?”

Vilain said his hunch was the entire brain was not feminized because “gay men have a number of masculine traits that are not present in women.”

Savic and colleagues used magnetic resonance imaging to measure brain volumes of two groups, each divided evenly between men and women: 50 heterosexuals and 40 homosexuals. They knew going into the study that in men the right cerebral hemisphere is largest but in women the left and right hemispheres are of equal size.

The results showed that gay men had symmetrical brains like those of straight women, and homosexual women had slightly asymmetrical brains like those of heterosexual men. Language circuits are thought to be more symmetrical in straight women than in heterosexual men, the report said.[/quote]

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[quote]forlife wrote:
worzel wrote:
We are all individuals with a set Genotype.

Actually, there is pretty good evidence for genetic and in utero influences on sexual orientation, in addition to the social influences you mention. As with most human characteristics, sexual orientation is derived from both genetics and environment.

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I totally agree’ sexual orientation is hard wired from birth! But external influences can determine the course an individual takes in life.

Example…

From my own experience I have seen a friend of mine come out at the age of 30! This was 7 years ago and he still hasn’t told his parents,(old Irish Catholic country folk). I always knew he was gay (cd collection consisted of Madonna, Ricky Martin, Celine Dion etc…lol) but he never admitted it. He dated many women and they were all stunners and considering he looked like freddy krugers little brother this was some achievement lol! I say it was down to his ability to communicate with women better than the average heterosexual male.

A client of mine I was helping with rehab after a car accident was very vocal in his hatred of gay’s so much so I was taken aback with his comments but it has since turned out he is gay! In a week he went from wearing baseball caps, jeans and t-shirts to shinny pants and see through vests lol!

Ironic isn’t it!

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I completely agree with you, and have been saying the same thing in this thread. Unfortunately, there are a lot of misconceptions out there, and people don’t get how someone might repress or act contrary to their sexual orientation, due to strong religious beliefs or cultural pressures.

The good news is that people are coming out in record numbers now, as being gay becomes more socially acceptable. When you actually have family members that are gay, people like Dick Cheney who would normally be socially conservative, develop a deeper understanding and are more accepting.

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I think it’s funny this thread is still going, while most if not all of you haven’t spent a single day in prison.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I think it’s funny this thread is still going, while most if not all of you haven’t spent a single day in prison. [/quote]

True! As with all threads they take on a life of their own! With most posters going off point and discussing something completely different…

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:

Whoa! I didn’t mean to interrupt this liberal ‘blow-fest’…I’ll just let you guys keep ‘stroking’ each other.

…wiping the crap off your dick from a night of good times with your boyfriend
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Jayzuz Mick! You got quite the flair for painting graphic images of homosexuality (scratches head in bemusement…)

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
(Opens door starts to walk in)

Whoa! I didn’t mean to interrupt this liberal blow-fest…I’ll just let you guys keep stroking each other.

Forliar likes this sort of thing anyway, and after all isn’t this all about him trying to feel good about what he does?

Over 3,000 posts and he’s still feeling…not quite right…

(closes door)[/quote]

Coward.