[quote]clip11 wrote:…i’m not surprised you’re confusing issues here clip, you don’t like it when your preconcieved notions are shown to be false, but truth is many straight men have [had] homo sexual encounters, beit in a MMF threesome or simply out of curiosity. Why is it that straight women can freely french kiss eachother without being labeled lesbian? Howcome that’s different all of a sudden? Do you really think all criminals that engage in gay sex in prison are really homosexual?
Well thats because they call themselves straight but not really are, I can walk around in a spider man costume all day long and say im spider man, but that doesnt make me spider man because i keep saying it.
You may even tell me im not spider man im just wearing a costume, but if i keep insisting im spider man after a while youre going to say “fine, be whatever you want”. But you and everyone else know im not really spider man. Likewise, a man who has sex with men may insist they are straight despite their behavior. So if they insist they are straight despite them butt fucking a man in going to say “fine call yourself whatever you want.”[/quote]
…don’t be too quick to decide for someone else what their sexuality is clip, someone might return the favor and you probably won’t like it…
[quote]ZEB wrote:
One would think that if the typical heterosexual male wanted sex with another male that it would happen more often, but darn those hetero guys they keep trying to go out with women.
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OMG, are you seriously still not getting it? I’ve been patient with you far, far longer than you deserve and you still pull crap like this.
OBVIOUSLY, the “typical heterosexual male” doesn’t want sex with another male because he’s…straight. Why the hell would he act contrary to his orientation, in the absence of any cultural or religious pressures to do so?
And why the hell is it so hard to understand that a gay man might act contrary to his natural orientation, when there are significant religious and cultural pressures to do so?
It’s not rocket science.
People CAN act contrary to their natural orientation, but will typically only do so when there are serious religious or cultural repercussions if they don’t.
No doubt you’ve glossed over this post like you gloss over everything else, so let me give you a challenge. STOP. Just step away from the keyboard for a second, and STOP. Read the above bolded sentence three times, and repeat back to me what you think I said.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that telling someone he is going to hell, or threatening someone with violence, might motivate him to act contrary to his natural orientation?
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Well thats because they call themselves straight but not really are[/quote]
Right. If that is the case, please explain why the majority of aristocratic Greeks practiced male-on-male sex. Was there something in the water, or do you think it might just be possible that cultural and religious beliefs impact a person’s sexual expression, aside from his actual sexual orientation?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
clip11 wrote:…i’m not surprised you’re confusing issues here clip, you don’t like it when your preconcieved notions are shown to be false, but truth is many straight men have [had] homo sexual encounters, beit in a MMF threesome or simply out of curiosity. Why is it that straight women can freely french kiss eachother without being labeled lesbian? Howcome that’s different all of a sudden? Do you really think all criminals that engage in gay sex in prison are really homosexual?
Well thats because they call themselves straight but not really are, I can walk around in a spider man costume all day long and say im spider man, but that doesnt make me spider man because i keep saying it.
You may even tell me im not spider man im just wearing a costume, but if i keep insisting im spider man after a while youre going to say “fine, be whatever you want”. But you and everyone else know im not really spider man. Likewise, a man who has sex with men may insist they are straight despite their behavior. So if they insist they are straight despite them butt fucking a man in going to say “fine call yourself whatever you want.”
…don’t be too quick to decide for someone else what their sexuality is clip, someone might return the favor and you probably won’t like it…
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Im not deciding anything, just judging what i see. If you dont do homosexual behavior i wont call you a homosexual! Its simple as that. Actions speak louder than words as they say.
[quote]forlife wrote:
clip11 wrote:
Well thats because they call themselves straight but not really are
Right. If that is the case, please explain why the majority of aristocratic Greeks practiced male-on-male sex. Was there something in the water, or do you think it might just be possible that cultural and religious beliefs impact a person’s sexual expression, aside from his actual sexual orientation?[/quote]
They were homos its nothing to explain. I believe your behavior more than what you call yourself. If a 60 year old man has sex with a 10 year old child, we’ll call him a pedophile, plain and simple! No matter if it happened once or if the 60 year old was just curious or if it was because of social pressure, he’s a pedophile!
We wouldnt make excuses for a pedophile so why for homosexuals?
[quote]clip11 wrote:
They were homos its nothing to explain.[/quote]
So you seriously believe the MAJORITY of aristocratic greeks had a homosexual orientation?
Do you not understand that a person may act CONTRARY to their natural orientation, due to religious or cultural pressures?
If a gay man believes he is going to hell if he acts on his attraction for men, so stays in the closet and has sex with a woman because it is his only option, does that magically change his orientation to straight?
Obviously not. The guy still is attracted to other men, he just doesn’t act on it due to his religious beliefs.
…then let me judge you based on what you’ve shown me: research has shown that homophobic men have a greater respons to homosexual stimuli than non-homophobic men. This indicates that these men are homophobic because they deny their own gay tendencies http://www.petertatchell.net/homophobia/bigots%20are%20buggers.htm You, clip, are a prime example of this, and that means you are a closet homosexual. If you wouldn’t display this kind of behaviour, i wouldn’t call you a closet gay. it’s as simple as that. You actions speak louder than your words, as they say…
[quote]jawara wrote:
I didnt want to highjack the Prop 8 thread so I made a new one.
In the Prop 8 thread the subject of homosexuality (sexual orientation, really) being a choice came up. There were some opinions throw out there back and forth but I thought of somthing, what about people who go to prison and are straight, have sex with the same sex while they are there, and then go back to having sex with the opposite sex when they get out? This realy boggles me because I've been deployed to Iraq twice, once for a year, and then for 15 months. I never looked at any of the other guys and thought about having sex with them. Could it be that the prison enviroment actually brings out the true sexual nature of people?[/quote]
Dude,
Most criminals are not moral pillars of the community. They don’t have too many lines they won’t cross in terms of moral, ethical, or legal behavior. They do what they want when they want without regard to themselves or others. That is why they are in prison. Hello! So why is it a surprise that when they get in prison they go ape-shit and stick their pee pee in anything they can? It’s not about being gay, it’s about being an animal!
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
jawara wrote:
I didnt want to highjack the Prop 8 thread so I made a new one.
In the Prop 8 thread the subject of homosexuality (sexual orientation, really) being a choice came up. There were some opinions throw out there back and forth but I thought of somthing, what about people who go to prison and are straight, have sex with the same sex while they are there, and then go back to having sex with the opposite sex when they get out? This realy boggles me because I've been deployed to Iraq twice, once for a year, and then for 15 months. I never looked at any of the other guys and thought about having sex with them. Could it be that the prison enviroment actually brings out the true sexual nature of people?
Dude,
Most criminals are not moral pillars of the community. They don’t have too many lines they won’t cross in terms of moral, ethical, or legal behavior. They do what they want when they want without regard to themselves or others. That is why they are in prison. Hello! So why is it a surprise that when they get in prison they go ape-shit and stick their pee pee in anything they can? It’s not about being gay, it’s about being an animal!
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hello? hello? Has anybody seen common sense? Oh…there you are…where have you been?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
clip11 wrote:Im not deciding anything, just judging what i see. If you dont do homosexual behavior i wont call you a homosexual! Its simple as that. Actions speak louder than words as they say.
…then let me judge you based on what you’ve shown me: research has shown that homophobic men have a greater respons to homosexual stimuli than non-homophobic men. This indicates that these men are homophobic because they deny their own gay tendencies http://www.petertatchell.net/homophobia/bigots%20are%20buggers.htm You, clip, are a prime example of this, and that means you are a closet homosexual. If you wouldn’t display this kind of behaviour, i wouldn’t call you a closet gay. it’s as simple as that. You actions speak louder than your words, as they say…[/quote]
Who was this study done by…a liberal university that loves all things gay and want to silence any opposition to their stance by saying if you say anything bad about it then you must really want to be it?
Well heres a list of other things I dont like…that I secretly must like:
I dont like sitting in heavy traffic or behing stoplights…but that means I really do
2.I dont like macoroni n cheese…but let me guess that means I really do
I dont like you for saying some dumb shit like that…but I guess this just proves I love you
[quote]ephrem wrote:
clip11 wrote:Im not deciding anything, just judging what i see. If you dont do homosexual behavior i wont call you a homosexual! Its simple as that. Actions speak louder than words as they say.
…then let me judge you based on what you’ve shown me: research has shown that homophobic men have a greater respons to homosexual stimuli than non-homophobic men. This indicates that these men are homophobic because they deny their own gay tendencies http://www.petertatchell.net/homophobia/bigots%20are%20buggers.htm You, clip, are a prime example of this, and that means you are a closet homosexual. If you wouldn’t display this kind of behaviour, i wouldn’t call you a closet gay. it’s as simple as that. You actions speak louder than your words, as they say…[/quote]
These are the same psychologist that said homosexuality was a mental disease up until 1973, now since the liberals took over then you must be gay if you say you’re not!
[quote]forlife wrote:
clip11 wrote:
They were homos its nothing to explain.
So you seriously believe the MAJORITY of aristocratic greeks had a homosexual orientation?
I believe your behavior more than what you call yourself.
Do you not understand that a person may act CONTRARY to their natural orientation, due to religious or cultural pressures?
If a gay man believes he is going to hell if he acts on his attraction for men, so stays in the closet and has sex with a woman because it is his only option, does that magically change his orientation to straight?
Obviously not. The guy still is attracted to other men, he just doesn’t act on it due to his religious beliefs.[/quote]
He can choose celibacy or even masturbation. No one knows who or what he’s thinking about while he jacks off unless he says something. If you had social pressure to jump off the empire state building would you do it?
[quote]forlife wrote:
clip11 wrote:
They were homos its nothing to explain.
So you seriously believe the MAJORITY of aristocratic greeks had a homosexual orientation?
I believe your behavior more than what you call yourself.
Do you not understand that a person may act CONTRARY to their natural orientation, due to religious or cultural pressures?
If a gay man believes he is going to hell if he acts on his attraction for men, so stays in the closet and has sex with a woman because it is his only option, does that magically change his orientation to straight?
Obviously not. The guy still is attracted to other men, he just doesn’t act on it due to his religious beliefs.[/quote]
And what about my pedophile analogy, explain that one. Its a similar circumstance. What if he had religious or social pressure?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
clip11 wrote:Im not deciding anything, just judging what i see. If you dont do homosexual behavior i wont call you a homosexual! Its simple as that. Actions speak louder than words as they say.
…then let me judge you based on what you’ve shown me: research has shown that homophobic men have a greater respons to homosexual stimuli than non-homophobic men. This indicates that these men are homophobic because they deny their own gay tendencies http://www.petertatchell.net/homophobia/bigots%20are%20buggers.htm You, clip, are a prime example of this, and that means you are a closet homosexual. If you wouldn’t display this kind of behaviour, i wouldn’t call you a closet gay. it’s as simple as that. You actions speak louder than your words, as they say…[/quote]
Its like with Islam. Have you heard the term Islamophobe? If you dont say Islam is a religion of peace then you are called an Islamophobe, despite the numerous verses in the quran calling for war and killing non muslims and Islams track record. All that has to be ignored…Islam is a religion of peace.
Me: What about all the people in the quran that got beheaded for not being a muslim?
Liberal: Islam is a religion of peace!!! (screaming to the top of their lungs)
Me:What about the verse in the quran that says But when these months, prohibited (for fighting), are over,slay the idolaters wheresoever you find them, and take them captive or besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every likely place.
Liberal: ISLAMOPHOBE!!!
Liberals do that same shit on everything they want to shove down everyones throat.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
jawara wrote:
I didnt want to highjack the Prop 8 thread so I made a new one.
In the Prop 8 thread the subject of homosexuality (sexual orientation, really) being a choice came up. There were some opinions throw out there back and forth but I thought of somthing, what about people who go to prison and are straight, have sex with the same sex while they are there, and then go back to having sex with the opposite sex when they get out? This realy boggles me because I've been deployed to Iraq twice, once for a year, and then for 15 months. I never looked at any of the other guys and thought about having sex with them. Could it be that the prison enviroment actually brings out the true sexual nature of people?
Dude,
Most criminals are not moral pillars of the community. They don’t have too many lines they won’t cross in terms of moral, ethical, or legal behavior. They do what they want when they want without regard to themselves or others. That is why they are in prison. Hello! So why is it a surprise that when they get in prison they go ape-shit and stick their pee pee in anything they can? It’s not about being gay, it’s about being an animal!
hello? hello? Has anybody seen common sense? Oh…there you are…where have you been?[/quote]
People CAN act contrary to their natural orientation, but will typically only do so when there are serious religious or cultural repercussions if they don’t.
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…4 posts in respons to one of mine, that’s quite telling clip. But it’s not about you being an alleged homophobe, it’s not about you being a closet homosexual, and it’s not about that you aren’t allowed to have an opinion; this is solely about you using criteria to judge men that are based on prejudice and not facts. I know i’m not going to change your mind, discussions on this board seldom lead to changes in opinion, but there you go…
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Im making up my own word…anyone who calls me a homophobe is a homotard![/quote]
Now all you need to do is parade through the streets everyday half naked and kissing some other guys yelling how you have been discriminated against; then give a lot of money to your lawyer buddies to tie up the courts daily with baseless lawsuits; pay off a few media people; and presto you can add a word like ‘homotard’ to the dictionary and every news show will be using it as a real word.