Homosexuality, Choice or Genetic

CappedAndPlanIt · January 10, 2008, 3:38am

Zeb, keep trying your best. Find some more studies that “prove” that homosexuals can change, and some more stats on STDs in the gay community.

Maybe everybody will start to agree that homosexuality is the problem, and the only solution is to “cure” all of them.

Then employers can stop hiring gay employees (or fire ones that turn out to be gay) landlords can refuse gay tenants, healthcare providers and insurance companies can deny coverage to homosexuals, and anything deemed as “homosexua behavior” can be a mitigating factor in assault or murder cases.

At that point, GOL-LEE the rate of homosexuals wanting to “change” will skyrocket – but of course it wont be because they cant work or rent or get medical coverage, it’ll be because being gay is bad and its for their own good anyway!

And, hell, any homosexuals under 18 will likely be institutionalized with their parents consent, so they can be “cured” as well.

Just think, Zeb, maybe you’ll change so many minds that, one day, there will be a totally gay-free America. Doesn’t that just make your heart swell?

See, Zeb, you dont have to come out and say all this stuff, you insinuate it plenty. And better yet, when someone calls you on being a bigot, you can turn around and say “OH EM GEE YOU CANT QUOTE ME SO YOU A LIER!”

But really, keep trying, because its just not going to work.

conner · January 10, 2008, 5:54am

So…what the hell are we arguing about, again?

The_Dmachine · January 10, 2008, 8:58am

I think most people are really missing the point here… I have a real interest in psychology, always have. I have read many many books on many psychological subject by many authors.

If being gay is caused by a gene, well that gene could not MAKE someone gay, it could merely predispose a person to being gay.

We still need environmental factors to cause a person to be homosexual. Most psychologists believe a large portion of our personality is formulated within the first four years of our lives. While our sexual preferences (not just gay or straight, but maybe anal or vaginal, fetish…) stem from our first impressions about sexuality and our first sexual encounters.

A gene may very well pre-dispose someone to being gay, but it can’t make a person gay. On the same page if you raise a straight person in the right fashion, in the proper society, you can easily have that child grow up to be a gay man.

Here’s a small example. Take a child molester , though of course he is what society considers a sick fuck, being turned on by children is just another fetish, though more harmful than say a foot or fat fetish the root of the desire stems from the same location. Most child molesters were molested themselves as children. The environment created them, and a very large percentage of males that are molested as children will molest when they become older. What this shows is that environment can create even extremely odd sexual preferences. No different from homosexuality.

So in the end a gene may pre-dispose but environment is the most important factor. No a person never CHOOSES to be gay, he is created. Most portions of our character were not CHOSEN by ourselves, our environment with the help of genetics created it.

The_Dmachine · January 10, 2008, 9:15am

Genetics are not responsible for homosexuality, they may pre-dispose, but they are not responsible.

Just as some people have genes that pre-dispose themselves to heart disease, though if they live a healthy life, eat healthy, they may never develop the systems.

On the other hand homosexuals don’t choose to be gay either. The vast majority of our personality is formulated by the time we are 4 years old, and most of our sexuality is formulated by our first sexual experiences. By sexual experience I don’t mean the first time getting laid.
Children from the ages of 0 - around 6 go through an initial stage of sexuality. For males often their first sexual object is their mothers.
7 - 11 is called the latent sexual stage, where children demonstrate allmost no sexuality.
Then of course after 12 kids wanna fuck.

Anyhow the initial sexual stage plays a very large influence in future sexuality. It can explain fetishes, and I would go as far as to classify homosexuality as a very strong fetish.

Any person CAN be gay if raised in the right environment, just as any gay person could be straight if raised in a supporting environment. Not to say the environment responsible for homosexuality is a PRO-GAY environment, no the mind is much more complex than that. The exact events and experiences that create a homosexual for most would be impossible to trace.

Lets look at child molesters. Though they are sick fucks, and their particular preference is much more harmful to society than homosexuality, it is still another sexual preference. Most child molesters were molested themselves. Meaning most child molesters sexual preference is a result of childhood initial sexual experiences. On the other hand many males that are molested will in the future molest. Many females that are molested will demonstrate an increased sexuality at an early age, and most prostitutes and sex workers were molested themselves.

So in the end I would say a gay person doesn’t choose to be gay. Genes could play a role with some people. But the most important deciding factor in sexuality is childhood environment and initial sexual experience.

(This information is based on my interest in psychology, and abnormal psychology going back to childhood. My father is a doctor, my mother a psych nurse. From the age of about 15 I have read countless books on psychology. Though I have no formal psych education (I study Chinese))

ModernLifeIsWar · January 10, 2008, 10:14am

[quote]ZEB wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Look, Dumbshit, show me ONE of your studies that does not begin with the LIE that being gay is a problem or is wrong in some way.

Good job, when the facts don’t line up in your favor start with the name calling, typical tactics of the left.

As to your assumption, it’s totally wrong. The only time it becomes “wrong” in those studies is when the person does not want to have a same sex attraction (ssa).

If someone wants help then they should be entitled to it, or does this not fit your narrow view of homosexuality?

Again: THINK!

Show me ONE study that does not attempt to “cure” gays (because, Dumbshit, if the study is attepting to “cure” gays, then the people running the study must think that being gay is bad,

It has nothing to do with it being “bad” or “wrong” as I stated several times, it has to do with the person seeking help because they want change in their life.

Fuck, Dumbshit,

LOL

I would have thought you’d be smart enough to figure out a biased study (OR FUCKING SIXTY) when incriminating language is used in the goddamn title of nearly every one.

Your assumption that all studies are biased BEFORE reading even one is just LAGUHABLE. But I’m not surprised, I’ve debated your type on this forum many times and when the facts are presented most of you either never post back or resort to name calling.

You have no case, so you claim bias, with no evidence of bias and then name call.

Hey, that’s some argument you have there. Ha ha

Again, all your dumbshit studies, Dumbshit, are based off the blatant, flagrant, ignorant WELL OF BULLSHIT that is homophobia.

Yes, that must be what it is. OR I have some very good facts which you have not read, don’t plan on reading and simply lump it all together as not being true because that’s what you want to believe, that’s what you’ve been fed during your young life.

Okay, I don’t think I have to read anymore of your nonsense, you have no point, no leg to stand on in this debate and at this point you’re not even worth my time. But, as I’ve said you are pretty typical of someone on the left who is confronted with the facts.

If you ever decide to seriously debate this issue, start by actually reading through a few of the studies that I posted, all name calling aside they are real eye openers. If someone does not want to be attracted to the same sex it has been demonstrated over and over again that they may not have to be.

When you pull your fingers out of your ears and your head out of your ass let me know.

Zeb

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Fuck your studies. Who are all these so called “scientist” and “researchers” that you speak of? Do you know them? Do they somehow have tabs on every homo on this planet so they can correctly do their studies? No. Most gays are still in the “closet”, “studies” have shown. So all of your “proof” of whatever you are trying to prove, that gay people are bad, is bull shit. Even if all of you “statistics” are true, what then? What do you suggest me as a gay man that is in a relationship with a disease free man, do? I am also disease free?

ModernLifeIsWar · January 10, 2008, 10:25am

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Caution, the following evidence may cause some to resort to name calling and personal attacks. Facts, are something that those on the left refuse to acknowledge.

It’s much easier to rationalize bad behavior, which kills those who participate in it, and also those who are quite innocent.

There is no group on earth (to my knowledge) that demonstrates riskier sexual behavior than the gay population! PERIOD!

Yes, there are many heterosexual people who use drugs and like anal sex. But according to the statistics this is incredibly prevalent in the gay community:

Just take a look at who is dying of AIDS faster than any other group-And no doubt who is spreading AIDS faster than any group as well by their promiscuity:

And not some right wing crazy propaganda this is from CDC STATISTICS

"Homosexual males, who make up less than 2% of the US population, account for 56% of the adult AIDS cases. As of January 1, 1997, 324,728 men who have sex with men have been diagnosed with AIDS.

HIV/AIDS Among Homosexuals

The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is responsible for causing AIDS, for which there exists no cure. Homosexual men are the largest risk category. The CDC reports that homosexuals comprise the single largest exposure category of the more than 600,000 males with AIDS in the United States. As of December 1999, “men who have sex with men” and “men who have sex with men and inject drugs” together accounted for 64 percent of the cumulative total of male AIDS cases.39

There are currently an estimated 900,000 people in the United States that are infected with the HIV virus, or 1 in 300 Americans, and this disease has cost the American taxpayer billions of dollars. Although medical breakthroughs have decreased the rate of AIDS deaths annually, the rate of new infections per year has remained the same, at 40,000, despite the twenty-year “safe-sex” campaign.[6] New infections among homosexual men climbed 17% between 1999 and 2002 ? the largest jump of any exposure category.[7] AIDS remains the fifth leading cause of death among those aged 25-44, and 59.7 % of new cases are contracted by homosexual men. According to the Centers for Disease Control, homosexual men are a thousand times more likely to contract AIDS than heterosexuals.[8]

The list of other contagious diseases that homosexuals are at high-risk of acquiring is as long as your arm. The risk of anal cancer soars to an astounding 4000 % for those engaging in anal intercourse compared to those who don?t, and it doubles again for those who are HIV positive

AND THIS IS ONE REASON WHY AIDS IS SPREADING

"Promiscuity among Homosexual Couples. Even in those homosexual relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a committed relationship, the meaning of “committed” typically means something radically different from marriage.

In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison reported that in a study of a hundred-fifty-six males in homosexual relationships lasting from one to thirty-seven years,

Only seven couples have a totally exclusive sexual relationship, and these men all have been together for less than five years. Stated another way, all couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships.[13]

In Male and Female Homosexuality, M. Saghir and E. Robins found that the average male homosexual live-in relationship lasts between two and three years.[14]

AND THIS:

Studies indicate that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime: A.P. Bell and M.S. Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that

43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with 500 or more partners

with 28 percent having 1,000 or more sex partners.9 In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al., found that only 2.7 percent claimed to have had sex with one partner only. The most common response, given by 21.6 percent of the respondents, was of having a hundred-one to five hundred lifetime sex partners.10

Even a gay magazine admits the problem

A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than a hundred sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than a thousand sexual partners.11 In his study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, M. Pollak found that "few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners.“12”

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I have one sex partner who is also disease free. We have anal sex. And we are happy and love being with each other. So from all of these studies you post, would you say that I should brake away from what makes me most happy and tell my partner that, we can’t be together anymore, I’m going to seek therapy for my “problem”? Is that what you are recommending that we all do?

ModernLifeIsWar · January 10, 2008, 5:52am

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

IMO, its a moot point because theres no reason gays just cant be gay; what causes me to speak up on the issue is that so many people only want to “prove” that its a choice so they can use it as rationalization for their bigotry against gays (nevermind that being gay could, reasonably, be both a choice and not wrong).

So, on a legal level, I’d rather it be viewed as intrinsic and innate, as to not open those gates I described earlier.

You continue to spout out words like bigotry, hate, discrimination, etc. And yet I have seen none of that on this form (I haven’t read everything).

Believe it or not, there are those who do not agree with the lifestyle, but are not hateful or bigots. So you continuing to use those words makes no sense and frankly just sounds like talking points.

Next, gays can be gays when they start to take some responsibly for their behavior and actions. Once they are not the highest group with sexually transmitted disease and are not dyeing younger than most any other groups due to their behavior, THEN we can say, “just let them be gay”. But until then they need to stop hurting themselves and others with their irresponsible lifestyle.

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Have you read any of my posts? Cause you don’t seem to ever want to talk to the ones on here that are actually gay. Because all of your statistics and such don’t apply to me-disease free, I practice safe sex with my disease free partner, I’m responsible, I have a great group of disease free gay friends, that are well educated and also practice safe sex. All this equals no harm to you or anyone else.
So take into account when you say “them”, “gays”, “Homosexuals” you are sounding like you’d be a racist to, because of all of your “statistics”.
You know that there are more black men in prison than in college? You know that black women are spreading aids/hiv faster then any group of gender, color, or sexual orientation? You must be racist and on a mission to change black people to white because you seem to rely only on your statistics for what is moral and immoral.

Schwarzfahrer · January 10, 2008, 12:59pm

[quote]Mr. Intensity wrote:
Saying that pedophiles are born that way suggests they are not entirely to blame for their actions. Do not kid yoursel they choose to do what they do and therefore there is no excuse there should be no time in a mental clinic for them, they should be thrown in prison in isolation until they are deemed ready for life around other people.

If you like to kid yourself and think that these people do not choose what they do, thats fine, bury your head in the sand and hope that science will solve the problem.

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You don’t understand.
It’s meaningless for me if they are to blame or not for their actions. Even if we discover that pedophiles are 100% “purebred” (which is bullshit) that wouldn’t mean we would let them molest children or to plead in mitigation. We would still lock them away.

I didn’t say at all I trust in science here. I said our culture will have to deal with it.
You’re the one who sticks his head in sand. You either need a god who tells you what’s black and what’s white or a scientist.

Same thing with sodomists. If society wants to throw them in prison for fucking/making love (chose whatever you find appropriate) to animals, well, so be it. But since they don’t hurt people and we still eat animals in our society they can happily go on in my book.

P.S.It really doesn’t help the discussion to lump homosexuals, sodomists and pedophiles together. Honestly, it’s a rather tasteless.

You should check out the middle east. In most countries, repeated acts of homosexuality or sodomy is punishable by death. The countries over there could be better suited to your tastes.

Headhunter · January 10, 2008, 2:17pm

Any man who can look at her and not want to hit it should truly wish for a bullet in the head.

Headhunter · January 10, 2008, 2:20pm

Perhaps being gay is punishment for bad Karma on the part of the parents. What parent could stand watching their son prance out in lace and fishnet stockings?

There. Homosexuality is punishment for being a shitty parent early on.

orion · January 10, 2008, 5:15pm

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Perhaps being gay is punishment for bad Karma on the part of the parents. What parent could stand watching their son prance out in lace and fishnet stockings?

There. Homosexuality is punishment for being a shitty parent early on.[/quote]

If that is him in his picture I doubt that Modernlifeiswar is even capable of prancing.

I also doubt that there are fishnetstockings in his size.

KeepAwaySheeple · January 10, 2008, 1:42pm

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Perhaps being gay is punishment for bad Karma on the part of the parents. What parent could stand watching their son prance out in lace and fishnet stockings?

There. Homosexuality is punishment for being a shitty parent early on.[/quote]

Speaking of parenting, sounds like your parents slacked a little. What’s really scary is your profile reads “teacher”. Now that’s scary. You sound like a nightmare-of-a-teacher. Where do they allow people who talk and act like you to be teachers? Seriously, what kind of a teacher are you? I mean, you’re actually posting pictures of bikini models in “homosexuality, choice or genetic” threads on the internet man. What a loser.

From the same parents, my sister is straight, my older brother is straight, I’m a happily married man with a beautiful daughter and my younger brother is gay. Not sure your brilliant “bad parenting” theory is going to hold any ground “teacher” guy.

You are very, very confused and blinded by stereotyping. Search " gay muscle bears" on google. My brother is one of these. Very similar to modernlifeiswar’s picture.

If masculinity is a determining factor for a parents satisfaction in their son (according to you), my gay brother is a big masculine guy and has been in many fights and won. Usually people like you that pop off with the mouth. I don’t mean you any hostility, just trying to give you examples of gay dudes you might not want to fuck with. Then again, there isn’t really any way of knowing whether these “muscle bear” types of gay guys are actually gay. Considering their appearance, they don’t come even close to fitting the gay guy stereotype in your mind. I guess just be carefull on what insulting things you say about gay people in public, because you never know when “Karma” will come back to you.

ModernLifeIsWar · January 10, 2008, 7:44pm

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Any man who can look at her and not want to hit it should truly wish for a bullet in the head.

[/quote]
Why?

ModernLifeIsWar · January 10, 2008, 8:06pm

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Perhaps being gay is punishment for bad Karma on the part of the parents. What parent could stand watching their son prance out in lace and fishnet stockings?

There. Homosexuality is punishment for being a shitty parent early on.[/quote]

What parent could stand watching there son prance onto this web site telling people to shoot themselves in the head over a picture of a half naked woman they don’t want to fuck?
Never have I ever “pranced” anywhere, nor do I have the urge to do such a thing

I don’t know what “lace” is and I’ve never worn fishnet stockings or any other womens clothing. You need to educate yourself and catch up with the times if you want to have any pull on this forum. Because gay or straight, people with half a brain are not going to respect your ignorant comments.

Beowolf · January 10, 2008, 9:45pm

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Any man who can look at her and not want to hit it should truly wish for a bullet in the head.

[/quote]

Wow… ok, a lot of things people call bigotry on on this forum are bullshit.

But this, this right here is a nice, clear cut example of bigotry,

ZEB · January 10, 2008, 11:05pm

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Zeb, keep trying your best. Find some more studies that “prove” that homosexuals can change, and some more stats on STDs in the gay community.

Maybe everybody will start to agree that homosexuality is the problem, and the only solution is to “cure” all of them.

Then employers can stop hiring gay employees (or fire ones that turn out to be gay) landlords can refuse gay tenants, healthcare providers and insurance companies can deny coverage to homosexuals, and anything deemed as “homosexua behavior” can be a mitigating factor in assault or murder cases.

At that point, GOL-LEE the rate of homosexuals wanting to “change” will skyrocket – but of course it wont be because they cant work or rent or get medical coverage, it’ll be because being gay is bad and its for their own good anyway!

And, hell, any homosexuals under 18 will likely be institutionalized with their parents consent, so they can be “cured” as well.

Just think, Zeb, maybe you’ll change so many minds that, one day, there will be a totally gay-free America. Doesn’t that just make your heart swell?

See, Zeb, you dont have to come out and say all this stuff, you insinuate it plenty. And better yet, when someone calls you on being a bigot, you can turn around and say “OH EM GEE YOU CANT QUOTE ME SO YOU A LIER!”

But really, keep trying, because its just not going to work.[/quote]

Once again, you are showing that you don’t have an argument. Again, standing in a corner with your fingers in your ears saying “nuh uh” is NOT an argument. You are really turning out to be one of the weakest liberals that I’ve debated on this forum. Why don’t you at least try to respond to specifics? I have not posted in a while, I wonder if it’s just the general “dumbing down” of the forum, (I’d like to think not) or just you specifically?

Now run along and come back with some FACTS to back up your crazy liberal views. I’ve posted fact after fact and all you respond with is your usual name calling.

It’s actually funny. But to others who are reading your nonsense you’re looking bad, real bad.

ZEB · January 10, 2008, 11:06pm

[quote]The Dmachine wrote:
Genetics are not responsible for homosexuality, they may pre-dispose, but they are not responsible.

Just as some people have genes that pre-dispose themselves to heart disease, though if they live a healthy life, eat healthy, they may never develop the systems.

On the other hand homosexuals don’t choose to be gay either. The vast majority of our personality is formulated by the time we are 4 years old, and most of our sexuality is formulated by our first sexual experiences. By sexual experience I don’t mean the first time getting laid.
Children from the ages of 0 - around 6 go through an initial stage of sexuality. For males often their first sexual object is their mothers.
7 - 11 is called the latent sexual stage, where children demonstrate allmost no sexuality.
Then of course after 12 kids wanna fuck.

Anyhow the initial sexual stage plays a very large influence in future sexuality. It can explain fetishes, and I would go as far as to classify homosexuality as a very strong fetish.

Any person CAN be gay if raised in the right environment, just as any gay person could be straight if raised in a supporting environment. Not to say the environment responsible for homosexuality is a PRO-GAY environment, no the mind is much more complex than that. The exact events and experiences that create a homosexual for most would be impossible to trace.

Lets look at child molesters. Though they are sick fucks, and their particular preference is much more harmful to society than homosexuality, it is still another sexual preference. Most child molesters were molested themselves. Meaning most child molesters sexual preference is a result of childhood initial sexual experiences. On the other hand many males that are molested will in the future molest. Many females that are molested will demonstrate an increased sexuality at an early age, and most prostitutes and sex workers were molested themselves.

So in the end I would say a gay person doesn’t choose to be gay. Genes could play a role with some people. But the most important deciding factor in sexuality is childhood environment and initial sexual experience.

(This information is based on my interest in psychology, and abnormal psychology going back to childhood. My father is a doctor, my mother a psych nurse. From the age of about 15 I have read countless books on psychology. Though I have no formal psych education (I study Chinese))[/quote]

Very credible and well thought out post.

ZEB · January 10, 2008, 11:21pm

[quote]ModernLifeIsWar wrote:
ZEB wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Look, Dumbshit, show me ONE of your studies that does not begin with the LIE that being gay is a problem or is wrong in some way.

Good job, when the facts don’t line up in your favor start with the name calling, typical tactics of the left.

As to your assumption, it’s totally wrong. The only time it becomes “wrong” in those studies is when the person does not want to have a same sex attraction (ssa).

If someone wants help then they should be entitled to it, or does this not fit your narrow view of homosexuality?

Again: THINK!

Show me ONE study that does not attempt to “cure” gays (because, Dumbshit, if the study is attepting to “cure” gays, then the people running the study must think that being gay is bad,

It has nothing to do with it being “bad” or “wrong” as I stated several times, it has to do with the person seeking help because they want change in their life.

Fuck, Dumbshit,

LOL

I would have thought you’d be smart enough to figure out a biased study (OR FUCKING SIXTY) when incriminating language is used in the goddamn title of nearly every one.

Your assumption that all studies are biased BEFORE reading even one is just LAGUHABLE. But I’m not surprised, I’ve debated your type on this forum many times and when the facts are presented most of you either never post back or resort to name calling.

You have no case, so you claim bias, with no evidence of bias and then name call.

Hey, that’s some argument you have there. Ha ha

Again, all your dumbshit studies, Dumbshit, are based off the blatant, flagrant, ignorant WELL OF BULLSHIT that is homophobia.

Yes, that must be what it is. OR I have some very good facts which you have not read, don’t plan on reading and simply lump it all together as not being true because that’s what you want to believe, that’s what you’ve been fed during your young life.

Okay, I don’t think I have to read anymore of your nonsense, you have no point, no leg to stand on in this debate and at this point you’re not even worth my time. But, as I’ve said you are pretty typical of someone on the left who is confronted with the facts.

If you ever decide to seriously debate this issue, start by actually reading through a few of the studies that I posted, all name calling aside they are real eye openers. If someone does not want to be attracted to the same sex it has been demonstrated over and over again that they may not have to be.

When you pull your fingers out of your ears and your head out of your ass let me know.

Zeb

Fuck your studies.[/quote]

LOL, I agree why look at legitimate studies when we can call everyone who breaths a word of truth a homophobe?

Look, we’ve already got one liberal (Cap) on this thread who trashes volumes of research without reading it. You don’t want to be like him do you? Scroll back and read the many studies that I posted about change. And then look at my other posts on the sad state of affairs that men who have sex with men are in.

See for yourself.

Um, no I can’t say that I do. I don’t know the scientists that helped put us on the Moon either, but I don’t think it mattered one way or the other.

(Eye roll)

I’m not, nor have I ever tried to prove that “gay people are bad”. The argument on this thread is first about how people become homosexual. I’ve presented an alternative view from what the politically correct liberals spew. I’ve given case after case of those who have changed and studies which point out to why someone might become a homosexual.

And your side, to date, has not been able to refute even one point that has been made. Why don’t you go do your homework, read the research that I’ve posted and come back with a legitimate argument, we don’t need another Cap’ on this thread.

There are no “ifs” about it, it’s all true. Many of the sickness and death statistics that I posted regarding homosexuals can be found on the governments own CDC site (Center for Disease Control). Please, don’t take my word for it, google them and read the ugly statistics for yourself. The typical man who has sex with other men is NOT in a healthy state.

I’ll stop here, go read the site and the other information that I posted.

ZEB · January 10, 2008, 11:25pm

[quote]ModernLifeIsWar wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Caution, the following evidence may cause some to resort to name calling and personal attacks. Facts, are something that those on the left refuse to acknowledge.

It’s much easier to rationalize bad behavior, which kills those who participate in it, and also those who are quite innocent.

There is no group on earth (to my knowledge) that demonstrates riskier sexual behavior than the gay population! PERIOD!

Yes, there are many heterosexual people who use drugs and like anal sex. But according to the statistics this is incredibly prevalent in the gay community:

Just take a look at who is dying of AIDS faster than any other group-And no doubt who is spreading AIDS faster than any group as well by their promiscuity:

And not some right wing crazy propaganda this is from CDC STATISTICS

"Homosexual males, who make up less than 2% of the US population, account for 56% of the adult AIDS cases. As of January 1, 1997, 324,728 men who have sex with men have been diagnosed with AIDS.

HIV/AIDS Among Homosexuals

The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is responsible for causing AIDS, for which there exists no cure. Homosexual men are the largest risk category. The CDC reports that homosexuals comprise the single largest exposure category of the more than 600,000 males with AIDS in the United States. As of December 1999, “men who have sex with men” and “men who have sex with men and inject drugs” together accounted for 64 percent of the cumulative total of male AIDS cases.39

There are currently an estimated 900,000 people in the United States that are infected with the HIV virus, or 1 in 300 Americans, and this disease has cost the American taxpayer billions of dollars. Although medical breakthroughs have decreased the rate of AIDS deaths annually, the rate of new infections per year has remained the same, at 40,000, despite the twenty-year “safe-sex” campaign.[6] New infections among homosexual men climbed 17% between 1999 and 2002 ? the largest jump of any exposure category.[7] AIDS remains the fifth leading cause of death among those aged 25-44, and 59.7 % of new cases are contracted by homosexual men. According to the Centers for Disease Control, homosexual men are a thousand times more likely to contract AIDS than heterosexuals.[8]

The list of other contagious diseases that homosexuals are at high-risk of acquiring is as long as your arm. The risk of anal cancer soars to an astounding 4000 % for those engaging in anal intercourse compared to those who don?t, and it doubles again for those who are HIV positive

AND THIS IS ONE REASON WHY AIDS IS SPREADING

"Promiscuity among Homosexual Couples. Even in those homosexual relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a committed relationship, the meaning of “committed” typically means something radically different from marriage.

In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison reported that in a study of a hundred-fifty-six males in homosexual relationships lasting from one to thirty-seven years,

Only seven couples have a totally exclusive sexual relationship, and these men all have been together for less than five years. Stated another way, all couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships.[13]

In Male and Female Homosexuality, M. Saghir and E. Robins found that the average male homosexual live-in relationship lasts between two and three years.[14]

AND THIS:

Studies indicate that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime: A.P. Bell and M.S. Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that

43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with 500 or more partners

with 28 percent having 1,000 or more sex partners.9 In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al., found that only 2.7 percent claimed to have had sex with one partner only. The most common response, given by 21.6 percent of the respondents, was of having a hundred-one to five hundred lifetime sex partners.10

Even a gay magazine admits the problem

A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than a hundred sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than a thousand sexual partners.11 In his study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, M. Pollak found that "few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners.“12”

I have one sex partner who is also disease free. We have anal sex. And we are happy and love being with each other. So from all of these studies you post, would you say that I should brake away from what makes me most happy and tell my partner that, we can’t be together anymore, I’m going to seek therapy for my “problem”? Is that what you are recommending that we all do?
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Did you notice that none of my posts came with a recommendation?

Once again, those who are NOT HAPPY with their current desires have an opportunity for change. I don’t think it’s up to you or I to determine who is happy and who is unhappy as we look at this group. All I want is for the liberals to stop saying that change is not possible and that homosexuals are “born that way”. This simply destroys the hopes of those who are not happy.

I don’t think I can make it any clearer than that.

CappedAndPlanIt · January 11, 2008, 12:02am

[quote]ZEB wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Zeb, keep trying your best. Find some more studies that “prove” that homosexuals can change, and some more stats on STDs in the gay community.