[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
If we face TEOTWAWKI and you need a fully auto weapon, the cheapest fully auto I know of goes for about $3,500. But if you have the tools and the knowledge you can turn a semi-auto into a fully auto weapon for pennies. Not exactly what the OP was talking about, but it justifies the need to DIY in my opinion.[/quote]
I’m gonna assume that if you already have a weapon, tweaking it to make it a fully automatic weapon isn’t such a big deal.
I thought the OP was talking about making your own gun.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
But just to bring back what I first posted… isn’t making a thread about making your own gun just going to perpetuate the redneck shotgun wielding hillbilly stereotype? I mean I’d saying buying your own gun comes across better, not to mention that the workman ship is (supposedly) far superior due to modern factory process and whatnot.
No, the point of this thread is what to do when you can’t legally buy one.
But what reason could you have to not be able to buy one? From my limited knowledge of your gun laws, all you need is a license and no previous convictions?[/quote]
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
If we face TEOTWAWKI and you need a fully auto weapon, the cheapest fully auto I know of goes for about $3,500. But if you have the tools and the knowledge you can turn a semi-auto into a fully auto weapon for pennies. Not exactly what the OP was talking about, but it justifies the need to DIY in my opinion.
I’m gonna assume that if you already have a weapon, tweaking it to make it a fully automatic weapon isn’t such a big deal.
I thought the OP was talking about making your own gun.[/quote]
Like I said, not exactly what the OP was talking about, but it it justifies it for me. By the way, tweaking may or may not be a big deal depending on how well you want the weapon to work.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
Like I said, not exactly what the OP was talking about, but it it justifies it for me. By the way, tweaking may or may not be a big deal depending on how well you want the weapon to work.[/quote]
Semi to fully auto to me doesn’t seem like that much of a big deal when you have a license to carry a weapon anyway.
Since the elites of this country and Davos men of the global elite seem hell-bent on depriving us of our right to keep and bear arms, and due to the recent technological “fab at home” trends, we should discuss home firearm manufacture.[/quote]
But you can still buy guns, no? And I don’t see that changing anytime soon. I mean, lets face it - to change this:
would take some time and it’s not going to happen overnight.
What you’re doing is telling people that they should actively break the law (assuming that your fear of gun control comes to pass)?
EDIT: Sorry, I should have put that question mark in for that last sentence.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Because the law is unjust and I ought not obey it. [/quote]
Didn’t you tell me that I should move to a Hindu country if I don’t agree with the laws of NZ? Why don’t you move to a country where the gun laws are more liberal?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Because the law is unjust and I ought not obey it.
Didn’t you tell me that I should move to a Hindu country if I don’t agree with the laws of NZ? Why don’t you move to a country where the gun laws are more liberal?[/quote]
Why didn’t you tell the gays to move to a country that’s more liberal?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Why didn’t you tell the gays to move to a country that’s more liberal?
How about instead of breaking the law, you move to have it fixed?
But I’m sure the hypocrisy of your actions will no doubt escape you.[/quote]
There’s no hypocrisy. I told you to move because every time I mention the fact that I live in a nominally Judeo-christian civilization, you think I am trying to impose some sort of theocracy or conflagaration of church and state. Since we were here first, and since I and the majority of this country don’t want gay marriage, I suggested you make like a tree.
We don’t want to be ruled by the tyranny of the minority who think they can just change definitions to suit them just because they don’t like the way we’ve lived for over a thousand years, and I and most others think our marriage laws are just. If you don’t like it, by all means, move to Hindustan. You are the epitome of hypocrisy, not me.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
There’s no hypocrisy.[/quote]
Actually there is.
No, actually I don’t. I think you keep trying to push your religious agenda onto others.
No you weren’t and I’m sure the American Indians would be insulted you suggested that. The fact of the matter is that everyone is there. You don’t like it, you can secede and start your own country.
But wait… didn’t the majority approve of slavery only a few hundred years ago? It’s hardly tyranny to want equal rights.
I’m sure.
I know! Lets argue the semantics of a word! I must be a gun-o-phobe. Or a Judeo-Christophobe!
I’m all for people owning their own gun (provided they can use it responsibly, and I have to say - you don’t seem like you could) but you can’t take the law into your own hands.
Like I said before, if you don’t like the law, you try to get it changed or you leave the country. And how likely is it that you will lose your right to own a firearm? The Second Amendment is not likely to be overturned anytime soon or taken lightly.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
I’m all for people owning their own gun (provided they can use it responsibly, and I have to say - you don’t seem like you could) but you can’t take the law into your own hands.
Like I said before, if you don’t like the law, you try to get it changed or you leave the country. And how likely is it that you will lose your right to own a firearm? The Second Amendment is not likely to be overturned anytime soon or taken lightly.[/quote]
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Like I said, not exactly what the OP was talking about, but it it justifies it for me. By the way, tweaking may or may not be a big deal depending on how well you want the weapon to work.
Semi to fully auto to me doesn’t seem like that much of a big deal when you have a license to carry a weapon anyway.[/quote]
Actually unless you have a special federal firearms license modifying a firearm into a full auto is quite illegal here. In some states you don’t even have to actually modify. ie If you have an ak 47 that is a legal semi auto and you are found to have the neccessary parts kit to modify it into a select fire semi/full auto you can be charged with “assembly” which is the same thing as modifying it.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Actually unless you have a special federal firearms license modifying a firearm into a full auto is quite illegal here. In some states you don’t even have to actually modify. ie If you have an ak 47 that is a legal semi auto and you are found to have the neccessary parts kit to modify it into a select fire semi/full auto you can be charged with “assembly” which is the same thing as modifying it.[/quote]
Was there reasoning behind this legislation though? I note that a lot of laws are passed via the fear mongering route (i.e. Marijuana prohibition) instead of unbiased research and data to back up said research. Is it safe to assume that fully-auto weapons were banned because of the massive amounts of damage they could inflict as opposed to single-shot or even semi-auto weapons?
Prohibition caused gangsters to resort to using military grade hardware like Tommy guns against each other.
It is important to note that before prohibition people weren’t using machine guns to do drive by shootings. It wasn’t a problem with the weaponry itself but was a consequence of prohibition.
It is the exact same situation that we face today. Much of Americas violent crime today is a direct consequence of Americas war on drugs.