[quote]Makavali wrote:
I note that America also has the highest rate of death by gun in the world. Surely taking them out of the equation or at least making them hard to get would help this. I dunno, maybe it’s because I’m from NZ, but I’ve never met anyone that owns a gun (outside of a hunting rifle, or BB Gun).
Difference of culture, I guess.[/quote]
yes ,very different.
I own several guns and I mean several .
the typical hillbilly hidden in street clothes I guess.
personally rather than taking them away I would want to see all the effort from gun control people be put into education.
most accidents with children are from kids playing with the gun.
in my family we were exposed to them at a very young age
mother walked around with it on her hip as well as my dad
we went shooting all the time at the lake when i was old enough.
we learned to respect them and also because I have seen them and been exposed to them so often its nothing new to me I am not in order to get extra income taking a gunsmithing and machining course.
as a boy I never cared to go walk into my daddys sock drawer ad get that cool thing that big boys have.
was one sniper incident when i was about 9 or so but tha twas different I knew better just kind of flew off the handle from being picked on.
but,if you are around it then its no big deal
if you are hidden from it and kept in the dark about it then when you do finally come across one you either fear it from what you have heard or you will be curious.
I completely agree with what your saying about increasing gun education, but what you’ve said here is essentially than even with your own gun awareness and education via your parents it still didn’t stop a ‘sniper incident’ when you were young.
If you can tell me a simple method of making a pistol barrel, than the rest seems rather trivial in comparison, whether it’s a revolver or an automatic.[/quote]
How accurate do you want to be at what range? A crappy paintball marker or BB gun, without rifling, would be more than accurate enough to defend your home especially with automatic fire. Unless you happen to live in a football stadium.
Sifu thinks you’re trying to run before you can walk, I think you have scope-creep issues as well.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
One more question. Rifle barrels are thicker near the breech to make room for reaming and bolt locking and thinner near the the muzzle. This is done on a lathe, right? [/quote]
It isn’t neccessary to the functioning, to taper the barrel, but it is another level of complexity that will make it harder to machine. If you take off too juch metal it will blow up in your face and “you’ll shoot your eye out!”
Riflers have been built from our book in Taiwan, Macedonia, Singapore, England, Australia, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Sweden, Denmark, as well as in quite a few states here in America?
Quite a few countries with gun control on that list! thumbs up[/quote]
Now you are thinking. Look at what our reat grandfathers used. That type of bench is over a hundred years old. Which means it won’t be overly complicated, but it will get the job done.
[quote]nichaaron wrote:
Makavali wrote:
I note that America also has the highest rate of death by gun in the world. Surely taking them out of the equation or at least making them hard to get would help this. I dunno, maybe it’s because I’m from NZ, but I’ve never met anyone that owns a gun (outside of a hunting rifle, or BB Gun).
Difference of culture, I guess.
yes ,very different.
I own several guns and I mean several .
the typical hillbilly hidden in street clothes I guess.
personally rather than taking them away I would want to see all the effort from gun control people be put into education.
most accidents with children are from kids playing with the gun.
in my family we were exposed to them at a very young age
mother walked around with it on her hip as well as my dad
we went shooting all the time at the lake when i was old enough.
we learned to respect them and also because I have seen them and been exposed to them so often its nothing new to me I am not in order to get extra income taking a gunsmithing and machining course.
as a boy I never cared to go walk into my daddys sock drawer ad get that cool thing that big boys have.
was one sniper incident when i was about 9 or so but tha twas different I knew better just kind of flew off the handle from being picked on.
but,if you are around it then its no big deal
if you are hidden from it and kept in the dark about it then when you do finally come across one you either fear it from what you have heard or you will be curious.
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That is exactly the point. In countries like New Zealand, Australia, Britain, the combination of people not being familiar with firearms combined with media fear mongering has created a culture of fear and extreme paranoia when it comes to firearms.
People in those countries are so afraid of firearms, yet at the same time have no problem being exposed to other deadly weapons on a regular basis.
Automobiles have the potential to be very deadly weapons. Yet people in those countries who are totally paranoid of guns, think nothing of walking down the sidewalk alongside the road. Even more amazing they will even go out on bicycles in traffic. It is like they don’t realize that all it would take is for someone to kill them is a flick of the wrist.
In Germany they have a phenomena called “Geister Fahrer” or “ghost driver” where people commit suicide be deliberately driving the wrong way on the autobahn. In Japan a few weeks ago a deranged man drove a truck into a crowd, then went after people wiht a big knife, killing seven and wounding many more.
But we don’t hear a debate about taking away automobiles because they can kill a lot of people. It is a double standard.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
That is exactly the point. In countries like New Zealand, Australia, Britain, the combination of people not being familiar with firearms combined with media fear mongering has created a culture of fear and extreme paranoia when it comes to firearms.[/quote]
???
I said the police carry guns. Anyway, the whole anti gun sentiment here came about because of the Aramoana massacre. Sparked a great deal of debate about private gun ownership.
Although, given that children were murdered it’s not that surprising.
New Zealand
Non-firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop. - 1.1747
Firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop. - 0.1827
% homicides with firearms - 13.4615
Overall homicide rate per 100,000 pop. - 1.3574
America
Non-firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop. - 4.55
Firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop. - 2.97
% homicides with firearms - 39
Overall homicide rate per 100,000 pop. - 7.52
America is by no means the worst when it comes to gun-related homicide (South Africa, Columbia, Guatemala, etc.), but you can’t say that it’s a bad thing for a country to make it harder for the general population to obtain firearms.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Sifu wrote:
That is exactly the point. In countries like New Zealand, Australia, Britain, the combination of people not being familiar with firearms combined with media fear mongering has created a culture of fear and extreme paranoia when it comes to firearms.
???
I said the police carry guns.[/quote]
Actually it is Police, the military and criminals.
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Anyway, the whole anti gun sentiment here came about because of the Aramoana massacre. Sparked a great deal of debate about private gun ownership. [/quote]
Way worse massacres have been committed without guns. The Seoul subway fire that killed over a 120 was caused by a man armed with a milk jug filled with a flammable liquid. Or how about the Bali bombing?
I have no doubt that the gun control nuts were overjoyed to have such an incident, with which to frame their rhetoric.
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Although, given that children were murdered it’s not that surprising. [/quote]
Nothing like dead children to get people thinking with their heart instead of their brain. Dunblane in Britain was used in the exact same way.
America is bigger than the continent of Australia and has over 350,000,000 people. That is not a logical comparison because you are not comparing apples and oranges here, it is more like watermelons and grapes.
There are vast regional differences in the Unites States.
In 2006 Detroit with a population of 900,000 ranked number one for murder rate. with 47 murders per 100,000 which is 6 times the national average.
Honolulu Hawaii, with a population of 900,000 ranked 71 for murder rate, with 1 per 100,000 which is comparable to New Zealand.
Plano Texas Population 257,000 was ranked 72 for murder rate, with 1 per 100,000 which is also comparable to New Zealand.
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America is by no means the worst when it comes to gun-related homicide (South Africa, Columbia, Guatemala, etc.), but you can’t say that it’s a bad thing for a country to make it harder for the general population to obtain firearms.[/quote]
Not only is America not the worst there are parts of America that are just as safe as anywhere in the world. Texas is a region where gun ownership is ubiquitous yet it has some of the safest cities. Despite Texas being an entry point for much of Americas illicit drugs.
Plano Texas is just as safe as New Zealand. I haven’t been to Plano Texas, but if I went there I would not be surprised to see cowboys driving pick up trucks with gun racks in the back of their cab.
It is a bad thing to keep the general population disarmed so they are defenseless against armed criminals. It is a very bad thing.
There are factors other than gun ownership that are driving Americas murder rate. The main culprit is the war on drugs. If dealers were not fighting over drug turf there would be less murders. If the policy of interdiction was not driving up the prices the dealers would not be so aggressive and addicts would be able to support their habits by getting honest work. Holland doesn’t have these problems.
Hey, I’m not bashing your gun laws, I just think it’s a bit too easy to get guns over there. Just my opinion.
And NZ is quite backwater WRT murder. Seeing something like that less than once a month in the paper is a big deal here and enough to provoke a strong reaction. And not a reaction about guns. There was a dairy owner killed in Auckland recently, and every reaction I heard was along the lines of “hang the miserable bastards”. I haven’t heard one person talk about gun control.
Again, I know parts of America are safe. I met the nicest people in Texas when I went there a few years ago. I also met some very nice females in NYC but that’s for the SAMA forum.
But just to bring back what I first posted… isn’t making a thread about making your own gun just going to perpetuate the redneck shotgun wielding hillbilly stereotype? I mean I’d saying buying your own gun comes across better, not to mention that the workman ship is (supposedly) far superior due to modern factory process and whatnot.
Making your own is about asserting ones independence and refusing to be cowed by the government.
Independence is a highly cherished quality here in America. Independence is so cherished here that in two days we are going to be celebrating a national holiday dedicated to Independence.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Making your own is about asserting ones independence and refusing to be cowed by the government.
Independence is a highly cherished quality here in America. Independence is so cherished here that in two days we are going to be celebrating a national holiday dedicated to Independence.[/quote]
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
One more question. Rifle barrels are thicker near the breech to make room for reaming and bolt locking and thinner near the the muzzle. This is done on a lathe, right? [/quote]
Go shoot every kind of gun you can lay your hands on for two years. Learn to strip a gun with your eyes closed. Then learn how to machine them and defend yourself.
Rifle barrels are tapered to cut down on weight and, to a lesser degree, to promote cooling. For someone carrying their gun from the bedroom to the kitchen to shoot an intruder, this isn’t a problem. And again, the whole scenario is somewhat oxymoronic as the 20+" barrels that would save you lots of weight with tapering aren’t ideal for doorways and cutting barrel weight increases barrel whip (which is why bull barrels are so popular with precision shooters) which is something you want to control with an automatic. The vast majority of short automatics and handguns used for CQB use the bull barrel or step the barrel diameter down away from the action.
Either you want an easily manufactured firearm, a high-precision rifle, an automatic, or to defend your home by any means necessary. You can’t have them all and you most certainly won’t get them from a bodybuilding forum.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Making your own is about asserting ones independence and refusing to be cowed by the government.
Independence is a highly cherished quality here in America. Independence is so cherished here that in two days we are going to be celebrating a national holiday dedicated to Independence.
Easter?[/quote]
That doesn’t happen till passover, we have a few more months.
But just to bring back what I first posted… isn’t making a thread about making your own gun just going to perpetuate the redneck shotgun wielding hillbilly stereotype? I mean I’d saying buying your own gun comes across better, not to mention that the workman ship is (supposedly) far superior due to modern factory process and whatnot.[/quote]
IMO, sword-play is little more than poking people with sticks and samurai sword manufacture is an finely-honed and elegant way of making a metal stick to poke someone with. A well-made rifle with handloaded ammunition should put any swordsmith to shame. Unfortunately, on this thread, we’re talking about someone who doesn’t understand that it’s not just how sharp you make the blade, but how brittle the edge is, how easy the sword is to draw, etc. that it makes it seem more like making poking sticks.
When someone feels obligated to warn him about barrel rupture it has definitely veered into redneck territory.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
But just to bring back what I first posted… isn’t making a thread about making your own gun just going to perpetuate the redneck shotgun wielding hillbilly stereotype? I mean I’d saying buying your own gun comes across better, not to mention that the workman ship is (supposedly) far superior due to modern factory process and whatnot.
No, the point of this thread is what to do when you can’t legally buy one. [/quote]
But what reason could you have to not be able to buy one? From my limited knowledge of your gun laws, all you need is a license and no previous convictions?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
But just to bring back what I first posted… isn’t making a thread about making your own gun just going to perpetuate the redneck shotgun wielding hillbilly stereotype? I mean I’d saying buying your own gun comes across better, not to mention that the workman ship is (supposedly) far superior due to modern factory process and whatnot.
No, the point of this thread is what to do when you can’t legally buy one.
But what reason could you have to not be able to buy one? From my limited knowledge of your gun laws, all you need is a license and no previous convictions?[/quote]
If we face TEOTWAWKI and you need a fully auto weapon, the cheapest fully auto I know of goes for about $3,500. But if you have the tools and the knowledge you can turn a semi-auto into a fully auto weapon for pennies. Not exactly what the OP was talking about, but it justifies the need to DIY in my opinion.
