Hindus Fleeing the Taliban

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Reef wrote:
enrac wrote:
Reef wrote:
So are you saying all Muslims want Hindus dead if they don’t convert?

I’m a Hindu who grew up in the Middle East (Bahrain), and the answer is yes. You can try and paint as nice a public picture as you like, but would you, say, criticize another Muslim? Would you criticize Osama Bin Laden? Here? In writing?

That’s bullshit. It comes down to extermism again. There’s a lot of tension between India and Pakistan. Muslims in India are attacked as well. See the link below:

Even from the above story, I wouldn’t come to the conclusion that all Hindus want Muslims dead. It’s extremism. Of course, you rarely hear the attacks on Muslims.

I’m a Muslim and I’m not part of the Taliban like some idiots on this site would think. I, as well as all my friends who are Muslim, and my family have nothing against any other religion (except extremists).

Some of my best friends are Hindus and Christians. My cousin married a Catholic (and he didn’t have to convert). Another cousin of mine is married to a Hindu.

And I have no problem with criticizing other “Muslims” like Bin Ladin, the Taliban, or Al Quaeda. They use a distorted view of the Quran to kill thousands of innocent people (most of them being Muslims themselves). I hope they’re all captured and brought to justice.[/quote]

For the record, I nearly married a Muslim woman, the relationship ended for reasons that were not religious. She was okay with me keeping my faith, her Imam was not. However, that isn’t my question. You point out Bin Laden as being a “Muslim” not a Muslim. Would you accept the same from, say, someone who called a priest who rapes a boy a “Christian” as opposed to a Christian?

I am not sure how much, or even what news you’ve been watching, but when the conflicts between Muslims and another group (in this discussion, say Hindus) involves the loss of Muslim life, it does get far more media attention than the other way around. Sometimes, it doesn’t even need to involve the loss of life. The destruction of the Babri Masjid (Mosque) got far more airtime than the torching of Hindu pilgrims by Muslim (note the lack of quotes) fanatics.

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[quote]enrac wrote:
Reef wrote:
enrac wrote:
Reef wrote:
So are you saying all Muslims want Hindus dead if they don’t convert?

I’m a Hindu who grew up in the Middle East (Bahrain), and the answer is yes. You can try and paint as nice a public picture as you like, but would you, say, criticize another Muslim? Would you criticize Osama Bin Laden? Here? In writing?

That’s bullshit. It comes down to extermism again. There’s a lot of tension between India and Pakistan. Muslims in India are attacked as well. See the link below:

Even from the above story, I wouldn’t come to the conclusion that all Hindus want Muslims dead. It’s extremism. Of course, you rarely hear the attacks on Muslims.

I’m a Muslim and I’m not part of the Taliban like some idiots on this site would think. I, as well as all my friends who are Muslim, and my family have nothing against any other religion (except extremists).

Some of my best friends are Hindus and Christians. My cousin married a Catholic (and he didn’t have to convert). Another cousin of mine is married to a Hindu.

And I have no problem with criticizing other “Muslims” like Bin Ladin, the Taliban, or Al Quaeda. They use a distorted view of the Quran to kill thousands of innocent people (most of them being Muslims themselves). I hope they’re all captured and brought to justice.

For the record, I nearly married a Muslim woman, the relationship ended for reasons that were not religious. She was okay with me keeping my faith, her Imam was not. However, that isn’t my question. You point out Bin Laden as being a “Muslim” not a Muslim. Would you accept the same from, say, someone who called a priest who rapes a boy a “Christian” as opposed to a Christian?

I am not sure how much, or even what news you’ve been watching, but when the conflicts between Muslims and another group (in this discussion, say Hindus) involves the loss of Muslim life, it does get far more media attention than the other way around. Sometimes, it doesn’t even need to involve the loss of life. The destruction of the Babri Masjid (Mosque) got far more airtime than the torching of Hindu pilgrims by Muslim (note the lack of quotes) fanatics.[/quote]

That mosque was built on a site Hindus considered holy, just as the Muslims built the Dome of the Rock on the traditional site of the Temple in Jerusalem. Let’s not forget the Hagia Sophia, which was converted to a mosque in 1453. Or the Bamiyan Buddhas. These things are done as a provocation to show Muslim dominance.

KS Lal documents 60-70 million Hindu deaths under Islamic rule of India. Then there are the areas of Bangladesh and Pakistan (and soon, Kashmir) that have been utterly cleansed of all non-Muslims but used to be a part of India.

But the loss of life during the 2002 Muslim-instigated riots in Gujarat is certainly regrettable.

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[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
thats funny MUSLIM, you go as low as to attack my intelligence. based on what, my grammar. you and other people like you are my enemies, nothing will change that fact. you will not silence me MUSLIM, I will resist jihad. with all my strength.
[/quote]

Gee, I’m not a Muslim, and I think you’re (grammar note: notice the contraction of “you are” as “you’re”, not your) a total fucking idiot. And not at all because of your poor grammar (or shithead slang, if you prefer).

I want to be your enemy too. I will resist idiohad, with all my strength. And laugh at you while doing so.

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[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
Reef wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Reef wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Reef wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Reef wrote:
The Taliban don’t represent Islam.

your smoking rocks

By the way, your English is terrible. Educate yourself.

it’s slang, your from Canada, you wouldn’t understand. you should do more research on Islam, and educate yourself. its the mark of a PC tool, like yourself, when you attack me on my grammar. everything I say, on Islam is based on solid facts. your are blind, you refuse to see the threat, that barbaric religion poses, to all people. war is inevitable, with muslims and there supporters.

Bad grammar is slang?

no, now that I know your a muslim, it explains a lot

Now that I see how bad your grammar is, it says a lot about your intelligence.

thats funny MUSLIM, you go as low as to attack my intelligence. based on what, my grammar. you and other people like you are my enemies, nothing will change that fact. you will not silence me MUSLIM, I will resist jihad. with all my strength.
[/quote]

This post completely validates my previous statement.

You define me by only my religion. You know absoloutely nothing about me. The only thing that’s your enemy is common sense.

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[quote]enrac wrote:
Reef wrote:
enrac wrote:
Reef wrote:
So are you saying all Muslims want Hindus dead if they don’t convert?

I’m a Hindu who grew up in the Middle East (Bahrain), and the answer is yes. You can try and paint as nice a public picture as you like, but would you, say, criticize another Muslim? Would you criticize Osama Bin Laden? Here? In writing?

That’s bullshit. It comes down to extermism again. There’s a lot of tension between India and Pakistan. Muslims in India are attacked as well. See the link below:

Even from the above story, I wouldn’t come to the conclusion that all Hindus want Muslims dead. It’s extremism. Of course, you rarely hear the attacks on Muslims.

I’m a Muslim and I’m not part of the Taliban like some idiots on this site would think. I, as well as all my friends who are Muslim, and my family have nothing against any other religion (except extremists).

Some of my best friends are Hindus and Christians. My cousin married a Catholic (and he didn’t have to convert). Another cousin of mine is married to a Hindu.

And I have no problem with criticizing other “Muslims” like Bin Ladin, the Taliban, or Al Quaeda. They use a distorted view of the Quran to kill thousands of innocent people (most of them being Muslims themselves). I hope they’re all captured and brought to justice.

For the record, I nearly married a Muslim woman, the relationship ended for reasons that were not religious. She was okay with me keeping my faith, her Imam was not. However, that isn’t my question. You point out Bin Laden as being a “Muslim” not a Muslim. Would you accept the same from, say, someone who called a priest who rapes a boy a “Christian” as opposed to a Christian?

I am not sure how much, or even what news you’ve been watching, but when the conflicts between Muslims and another group (in this discussion, say Hindus) involves the loss of Muslim life, it does get far more media attention than the other way around. Sometimes, it doesn’t even need to involve the loss of life. The destruction of the Babri Masjid (Mosque) got far more airtime than the torching of Hindu pilgrims by Muslim (note the lack of quotes) fanatics.[/quote]

Well if the Priest is molesting children, then he shouldn’t have the right to call himself a Christian. It’s obviously totally against the religion. Of course, there is repentance (but that’s a whole other issue).

I’m not saying one group is right or wrong (between Hindus and Muslims). I just wanted to point out that the violence goes both ways.

I (and at least the Muslims I know) don’t care what religion someone else is and would never try to convert anyone. Religion is a very personal thing for everyone. I don’t believe any religion is better than the other. I have friends of all religions.

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[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
Reef wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Reef wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Reef wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Reef wrote:
The Taliban don’t represent Islam.

your smoking rocks

By the way, your English is terrible. Educate yourself.

it’s slang, your from Canada, you wouldn’t understand. you should do more research on Islam, and educate yourself. its the mark of a PC tool, like yourself, when you attack me on my grammar. everything I say, on Islam is based on solid facts. your are blind, you refuse to see the threat, that barbaric religion poses, to all people. war is inevitable, with muslims and there supporters.

Bad grammar is slang?

no, now that I know your a muslim, it explains a lot

Now that I see how bad your grammar is, it says a lot about your intelligence.

thats funny MUSLIM, you go as low as to attack my intelligence. based on what, my grammar. you and other people like you are my enemies, nothing will change that fact. you will not silence me MUSLIM, I will resist jihad. with all my strength.
[/quote]

Shut up retard.

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[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
Reef wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Reef wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Reef wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Reef wrote:
The Taliban don’t represent Islam.

your smoking rocks

By the way, your English is terrible. Educate yourself.

it’s slang, your from Canada, you wouldn’t understand. you should do more research on Islam, and educate yourself. its the mark of a PC tool, like yourself, when you attack me on my grammar. everything I say, on Islam is based on solid facts. your are blind, you refuse to see the threat, that barbaric religion poses, to all people. war is inevitable, with muslims and there supporters.

Bad grammar is slang?

no, now that I know your a muslim, it explains a lot

Now that I see how bad your grammar is, it says a lot about your intelligence.

thats funny MUSLIM, you go as low as to attack my intelligence. based on what, my grammar. you and other people like you are my enemies, nothing will change that fact. you will not silence me MUSLIM, I will resist jihad. with all my strength.
[/quote]

Are you currently on any type of mood altering medications? If not you may want to look into it.

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[quote]Reef wrote:
I don’t believe any religion is better than the other.[/quote]

It is not the smame whether you forewarn them [the unbelievers] they will have no faith (2:6).

God will mock them and keep them long in sin, blundering blindly along (2:15).

A fire “whose fuel is men and stones” awaits them (2:24).

They will be “rewarded with disgrace in this world and with grievous punishment on the Day of Resurrection” (2:85).

“God’s curse be upon the infidels!” (2:89).

“They have incurred God’s most inorexable wrath. An ignominous punishment awaits [them]” (2:90).

“God is the enemy of the unbelievers” (2:98).

“Th unbelievers among People of the Book [Christians and Jews[, and the pagans, resent that any blessing should have been sent down to you from your Lord” (2:105)

“They shall be held up to shame in this world and sternly punished in the hereafter” (2:114)

“Those to whom We [God] have given the Book, and who read it as it ought to be read, truly believe in it; those that deny it shall assuredly be lost” (2:122)

“[We] shall let them live awhile, and drag them to the scourge of the Fire. Evil shall be their fate” (2:126).

“The East and West are God’s. He guides whom He will to a straight path” (2:142).

“Do not say those who are slain in the cause of God are dead. They are alive, but you are not aware of them” (2:154).

“But the infidels who die unbelievers shall incur the curse of God, the angels, and all men. Under it they shall remein for ever; their punishment shall not be lightened, nor shall they be reprieved” (2:162).

“They shall sigh with remorse, but they shall never come out of the Fire” (2:168).

“The unbelievers are like beasts which, call out to them as much as one may, can hear nothing mbut a shout and a cry. Deaf, dumb, and blind, they understand nothing” (2:172).

“Theirs shall be a woeful punishment” (2:175).

“How steadfastly they seek the Fire! That is becuase God has revealed the Book with truth; those that disagree about it are in extreme schism” (2:176)

“Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you, Idolatry is worse than the carnage. . . . [I]f they attack you put them to the sword. Thus shall be the unbelievers rewarded: but if they desist, God is forgiving and merciful. Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God’s religion reigns supreme. But if they desist, fight none except the evildoers” (2:190-93)

Desperately tedious, but if you believe what I quoted at the start of this post, you’re not a Muslim. 2:190-93 works very well with your question: “[quote]So are you saying all Muslims want Hindus dead if they don’t convert? [/quote]”

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In other news, Muslims are fleeing the Taliban.

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[quote]tme wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
thats funny MUSLIM, you go as low as to attack my intelligence. based on what, my grammar. you and other people like you are my enemies, nothing will change that fact. you will not silence me MUSLIM, I will resist jihad. with all my strength.

Gee, I’m not a Muslim, and I think you’re (grammar note: notice the contraction of “you are” as “you’re”, not your) a total fucking idiot. And not at all because of your poor grammar (or shithead slang, if you prefer).

I want to be your enemy too. I will resist idiohad, with all my strength. And laugh at you while doing so.
[/quote]

Wait.

You mean there is a spiritual struggle to dumb us all down?

That would explain a lot!

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[quote]erik206 wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Reef wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Reef wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Reef wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Reef wrote:
The Taliban don’t represent Islam.

your smoking rocks

By the way, your English is terrible. Educate yourself.

it’s slang, your from Canada, you wouldn’t understand. you should do more research on Islam, and educate yourself. its the mark of a PC tool, like yourself, when you attack me on my grammar. everything I say, on Islam is based on solid facts. your are blind, you refuse to see the threat, that barbaric religion poses, to all people. war is inevitable, with muslims and there supporters.

Bad grammar is slang?

no, now that I know your a muslim, it explains a lot

Now that I see how bad your grammar is, it says a lot about your intelligence.

thats funny MUSLIM, you go as low as to attack my intelligence. based on what, my grammar. you and other people like you are my enemies, nothing will change that fact. you will not silence me MUSLIM, I will resist jihad. with all my strength.

Are you currently on any type of mood altering medications? If not you may want to look into it.[/quote]

Really?

Would you like to see him on meth?

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I’m not sure he’s ever read the Qur’an. Or any of the Hadith. He’s one of two things: a) completely ignorant of what his texts teach or b) giving us a healthy dose of taqiyya. I’m going to believe a) for now.

Really, I don’t care if someone else’s religious text says I’m on my way to hell. That doesn’t affect me. What does affect me is if it says to fight me because I’m an unbeliever.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
lixy wrote:
In other news, Muslims are fleeing the Taliban.

And Sunni are persecuting Shia.

So your point must be how intolerant Muslims can be of even minor differences of religous opinion.[/quote]

Minor? One camp wants people to get along and the other wants to kill everybody who doesn’t follow their creed.

Whether you’re allowed to kill (other than clear self-defence) other people or not is NOT a minor difference.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Chushin wrote:
lixy wrote:
In other news, Muslims are fleeing the Taliban.

And Sunni are persecuting Shia.

So your point must be how intolerant Muslims can be of even minor differences of religous opinion.

Minor? One camp wants people to get along and the other wants to kill everybody who doesn’t follow their creed.

Whether you’re allowed to kill (other than clear self-defence) other people or not is NOT a minor difference. [/quote]

lixy,

As that other Muslim that showed up here that one time demonstrated, you don’t know anything about Islam. You live in Infidel Land, for crying out loud. You’ve demonstrated over and over again that you’ve never even cracked open a Qur’an or any of the volumes of the Hadith. So don’t expect us to argue with some as mentally unarmed as yourself.

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I can’t tell much difference between the ones who held our people hostage in an embassy, the ones who used a suicide bombers to kill Marines in Lebanon, the ones who used suicide bombers to kill Kenyans and the ones who…to take down the twin towers.

It would seem to me the radical Sunnis are using the same sort of attacks pioneered in Lebanon by the radical Shia.

And it would seem they want to kill infidels before killing one another.

I don’t see hordes of Taliban swarming across Afghanistan into Iran to kill Shia and vice versa.

Their all in bed together.

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You know, there are many instances in The Bible where genocide of nonbelievers, other races, and transgressors is encouraged just as vehemently.

If you are trying to assert that all real Muslims are violent and biggoted, then you better not be calling yourself a Christian either, because if you apply your definition of “real Muslim” to Christianity, you’re either just as bad as those Muslims you are criticizing, or you aren’t a “real Christian”.