[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
So if you’re keeping score, Zeb already got called out on misquoting Obama in support of his attempts at claiming Obama is racist. This misquote was one of the “points” Zeb wanted me to rebut - and all he did was wind up apologizing for, as he put it, relying on some website that got it wrong and his failure to read and check its accuracy.
Which brings me to…Zeb’s other quote from the book he uses in support of his claim that Obama is racist. A few pages ago, Zeb wrote:
[quote]A few quotes from Obama’s book “Dreams of my Father”:
“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”[/quote]
And then cited this quote as a defense of his claim that Obama is intentionally screwing over the Israelis because he is also an anti-Semite.
I read Dreams of My Father. It wasn’t an impressive book in my view, but I didn’t recall the passage Zeb quotes. So I went and looked it up.
There’s a reason I don’t remember it. There is no such quote.
What Obama says in the book is the following:
“In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
Page 261 of said book. There is no such quote.
Nowhere does Obama say what Zeb said he did, that Obama would take the side of Muslims when there was political side-choosing as a result of current events - rather, Obama says that he is meeting with Arab and Pakistani American citizens who are expressing a feeling of insecurity about their civil liberties post-9/11 and that he would not stand for the same kinds of reactions that resulted in Japanese internment camps. The key phrase in context: “they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something.”
Quite obviously, Zeb’s quote is facially incorrect and is a fabrication - he has (or someone he is relying on) has actually fabricated the words on the page and is deceitfully attempting to pass them off as verbatim.
And, irony (and hilarity) alert - Zeb cites this “quote” then lectures me about needing to read up and get learned up on the truth:
I literally laughed out loud.
As if Zeb hasn’t discredited himself enough, quiet obviously, Zeb hasn’t read a damn thing he’s relying on for his idiotic claims. I guess he just hoped I hadn’t actually read the book and also hoped his churlish trash talking would have all of us believe he’d actually read the book himself. Of course, that was a stupid gamble - no one believes Zeb reads much of anything, least of all me. So, bluff called, and Zeb loses. Again.
In addition to that damning evidence of Zeb’s mendacity, like with the other quote Zeb tried to pass off, context was intentionally ignored to try and mislead the reader into thinking Obama had taken a position he had not. Obama is clearly taking the position of a left-liberal civil libertarian in the actual paragraph. He isn’t generally siding with Muslims on matters of policy when there is a choice between choosing between US interests and Muslim interests, nor is he saying he hates Jews - he’s saying he will side with the minorities that are likely to get picked on if, as a result of the war on terror, policy takes an “ugly direction” like internment camps.
So what have we learned? Zeb is thoroughly discredited. Smh23 calls him out on the first misrepresentation - he shuffles some and then says, hey, I didn’t read the website as good as a I should have. But the very quote above in the same litany of quotes Zeb uses to argue his point that Obama is a racist is yet another fraud.
Will Zeb’s response be “just another oopsie! I should have read the website more clearly again.”? At this point, who cares? I don’t believe it, not that I even believed it the first time. But with this, Zeb is all out of the benefit of the doubt - especially since he (again, hilariously) attempts to chide me for “doing some work” and not reading what I am supposed to. We all have to read stuff - but Zeb doesn’t have to, he just gets to pass off misinformation while pretending to actually do anything.
As is, Zeb is a fraud and a hypocrite, and I say those words not as heated insults, but as factual and literal descriptions.[/quote]
Nice work of cherry picking two points. Neither were the main thrust of my argument as you well know. If every one of my responses were based upon that web site you could claim victory and I would admit it. But I had 15+ other points totally unrelated to that web site that you now run away from. But cling to the website mistake tightly Mister Reboot because that’s all you have! I’ve already told you that the web site was not reliable and took full responsibility and apologized like a man. But since you have no answer for the other 15 or so points that I laid out in our line by line debate you seek to reboot. You think this scores you points? Ha ha…you look like you are grasping at straws.
This smoke screen of yours is pathetic as are you. Now go back, like a man (you can imitate a man can’t you?) and answer my line by line response to you. Anything short of that is yet another attempt by you to run away from our debate. Just admit that you were wrong on many of those points. You are avoiding them for a reason that’s obvious. Does the great Thunderbolt ever admit that he is wrong? Tell me TB in 10+ years have you ever been wrong? Uh huh…And this is one of them.
TB’s Excuse List (so far) For Not Answering My Line By Line Response
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I don’t have the time (yet he continues to respond in other ways -odd for a man with no time)
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You stumbled on a bad website which discredits two of your points therefore I win. But what about the other 15 or so points? No answer for them huh TB? LOL
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You are just not worth it Zeb. But I am worth this back and forth nonsense? I see TB, we all do. You are running away from our original debate. This is a trick that you’ve used through out the years here on T Nation. I am calling you out on it. The only way you save face is to answer my previous line by line post otherwise you flat out ran away from our debate. Now that’s fine if you want. But call it what it is. Just say “I have no answers Zeb”, or better yet “I was wrong Zeb” Your out of control ego has lead you down the wrong road and now you have no where to go. OUCH…not a good feeling I bet.
I’m starting to know how a teacher feels. What’s your next excuse going to be? “My dog ate my T nation response?”
Excuses, excuses, excuses but still no line by line response…you are indeed pitiful TB.
You can’t continue you just can’t boo hoo.
If your next response is anything other than a response to my line by line post you will be proving once again that you indeed have “the time”. But, you don’t have the correct answers to respond in kind to my line by line post, or perhaps you are not man enough to admit when YOU have made a mistake…and yet you make em just like the rest of us.
Now get busy Mister Reboot.