I know… But Bills not wrong…a lot of them are 200% ok with the sharia law stuff ect ect…its not just the governments…the religion has a bad side. Yes I know they are vetted I dont buy the right wing bs on closing borders…lady Liberty says no bueno
I think his point is…if you wanna believe that kinda stuff and not embrace American culture than why come here. Also we shouldn’t defend that backwards thinking. Did you see his show where he got Ben Aflec roid rage crazy…classic Bill
You don’t need to defend Maher’s position with me; I agree with him on most things. I just jumped in to hopefully curtail what was starting to sound like a GOP talking point (not making accusations; I think you & I align on most things).
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Stop being reasonable, this is bound to have you labeled a racist and islamophobe.
That was the Sam Harris episode right?
How Sam Harris of all people got called a racist is beyond me. He’s in the Dawkins camp of “all religion is bad” and is particularly harsh on all of them. But as soon as he said anything negative about Islam Ben had to virtue signal like a douche.
They don’t defend those actions, which are not simply by the government, but choose to ignore them in their defense of Muslims. Bill, and others, say that Islamic values do not align with our western, classical liberal values and they are right. The leftists who get upset ignore that point and instead fall back on, “they aren’t all terrorists,” even though terrorism isn’t being mentioned.
The idea that in the West an artist, political commentator, journalist, etc., has to be scared for his life (Rushdie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali) because someone has an issue with what they say or their work is intolerable in a society like ours. We can’t ignore what happened to Theo van Gogh or Charlie Hebdo. The leftists don’t want to talk about those things, some even blamed Charlie Hebdo for what happened. The irony is that the director of Dogma, a film starring Affleck and which mocked Catholicism, said he was too scared to direct a sequel since it would have to include Islam.
Good grief. That is all you have to say?
Do you actually believe Henry Aaron and Richard Kronick that there is no difference between the health and death of those who have insurance and those who do not?
Let’s cut down the 45,000 figure in half. Do that many people die waiting for service in government regulated healthcare?
So the doctors associated with the PNHP aren’t to be believed because they want a Medicare-For-All system? A system that will most likely reduce their income.
Hmmmm…
That’s what I was getting at… Bills view is sensible and reasonable… he’s not a phobe of any kind nor am I … Bens reaction was the far left reaction imo…
Just to be clear I have no problem with Muslims just don’t see why anyone with 15th-century mindset needs to be in the USA… Just like I enjoy drugs, booze, and casual sex so why would I want to go Iran. Its true they are not all terrorist I agree but a huge majority in Muslim countries don’t mind it, treat women like garbage and kill gays, women that cheat, and people that leave the religion… Not exactly liberal values… So Bills right why defend that. We didn’t defend the blacks were treated in South Africa so why pretend this BS is ok all in the name of being “culturally sensitive” Its just snowfalkeism and the kinda thing that turns indys away.
Yeah man, 95% of Muslims practice a cafeteria version of their religion like every other religion on earth.
People disagree with me, and people much more versed in the texts of the religion at that, but Islam isn’t the problem at all. It’s evil people using Islam to take advantage of vulnerable people and get them to do really super evil shit for them, that is the problem. And they tend to treat women like shit still, to a hirer degree than others do.
Oh, no, I have much more to say. You are just not worth the time or effort.
Ask those 95% how they feel about regulating speech about Islam and Mohamed, and what the penalties for violating those regulations should be. If 95% of Muslims had an issue with the very ideas that keep women down, get homosexuals killed, foment antisemitism, create religious intolerance, contradict the West’s view on what civil and human rights are, etc., then we would not even be having this discussion in the first place.
And I agree with him to a large extent. And I agree that many liberals take it way too far and bury their heads in the sand about some very troubling issues with adherents of that religion. But I see many on the right who paint with too broad a brush and want to chuck the lot of them out of our country. (I know, the loudest voices get heard more easily and I’m not saying that’s the position of all republicans.)
Very well said.
It’s not about cultural sensitivity but attacking Western Culture and how those leftists view it as the manifestation of white European masculinity’s oppression of the world. They just want to use an incident of “Islamophobia” to justify labeling white males perpetual racists or, in the case of Affleck, to virtue signal.
If they actually listened to the arguments from people like Sam Harris, or simply opened their eyes, they would be forced to recognize that women were better off in ancient Greece than they are now in many predominantly Muslim nations. They would recognize that while slavery was being made illegal in the USA and Europe it was flourishing in Africa and the Middle East, where it still exists. But how do you reconcile the image of oppressive western culture and white men with those truths? You ignore them.
I don’t know about banning them or kicking them out; some were born here. With that said, we have to recognize that what has happened in European countries can and will happen here (as it already has). That doesn’t only include terrorism or isolated acts of religious retribution but the possible erosion of certain rights to appease a religion’s sensibilities (which is happening). When John Kerry says that the Charlie Hebdo killers had some degree of legitimacy or Gary Trudeau blames the victims of that massacre, the battle over freedom is already being lost as far as the left’s view of it is concerned.
I’m not sure that’s accurate, but I also don’t really get into this topic again.
Here’s a PEW article you might find interesting.
Most believe in Sharia law, but most also think it should only apply to Muslims. Take from that what you will.
What about to Muslims living in the West? Should it override the laws of the nations they live in? What if they become a majority in a nation?
I don’t know, I’m not a Muslim…
Last I looked there are like 5M muslim’s in America or 1.5% of the pop so it’s not really an issue here.
But they have affected free speech here and have managed to initiate terror attacks. How many Boston bombings or Miami nightclub attacks would we have if the number were 10%?
I don’t think the US can be compared to European nations considering their proximity to ME countries and the ability of terrorists to gain entry to those countries.
Looks like it’s 3.3M, or 1%.