Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I’m curious that if it came down to these two candidates for President which would you pick?

If you want to give a reason go ahead but it’s not necessary.

Please Vote Trump or Hillary.[/quote]

The only person that could make me not cast an opposing vote to Hillary would be Jeb Bush, but you present a false choice.

Cruz and Trump are having joint rallies and meet and coordinate frequently.

It’s pretty obvious that Trump wanted to avoid a Jeb presidency, so he is acting at the stalking horse for Cruz, attacking Jeb, bringing attention, and causing Jeb to spend money (which he will soon do on massive attack ads against Trump).

Trump knows he will get mortally wounded by this, leaving Cruz as the elder statesman. It’s really brilliant.

It’s only fair as there are a number of never-gonna-win candidates in the race at the behest of Jeb to split the vote from the viable conservatives: Graham, Huckabie, Rubio, etc.

Basically Trump is giving the RINOs a taste of their own machinations.[/quote]

That is a very interesting read. But, you failed to take one very important matter into account, that is Donald Trump’s ego. I don’t think Trump does anyone’s bidding especially Ted Cruz, who is not nearly as viable as many other candidates. I also think Trump has his eye on the top spot. Maybe not when he first entered the race but most assuredly now. He looked around and found himself in the lead and thought “hey I can actually win and become President”. Okay…just a guess…

However, if I am wrong and he is destroying the Bush candidacy…well good!
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Trump is no “doing anyone’s bidding” but his own. He is playing kingmaker.

And I respectfully think you have drunk the RINO whiskey re: Cruz not being electable. He’s brilliant, smart, has the money, and the machine. The RINOs said the same “not electable” things about him during his Senate race, and he crushed them.[/quote]

I have not been drinking RINO whiskey or even Jack Daniels. But, what you might be failing to see is the fact that Ted Cruz will be attacked ruthlessly by the mainstream liberal media and painted as a right wing kook. Granted you and I don’t think that’s the case. Personally, I think the man is brilliant. But I want a candidate who can actually win. If we don’t win things WILL get worse. So, again I will stick with the Kasich/Rubio ticket, or other variations that can defeat the democratic candidate.
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The liberal media will paint any RNC candidate as a fringe candidate. They claimed Romney was a radical and he was to the left of Bill Clinton on many issues – e.g. single payer healthcare.[/quote]

I think we need to pull the country right gradually. It needs to be done in steps unless of course we had an incredibly charismatic candidate who could do it in one election. Short of that we need to simply beat the democrats. Perform up t the people’s expectations and then elect someone even more conservative. We cannot afford to lose to the likes of Hillary that is for certain. Can you imagine the left wing judges she would appoint to the Supreme Court and other lower courts? We really need to win this one. Obama has done enough damage both at home and aboard.

As for Cruz, like I said he’s brilliant but he has a history of being what the media would call to far to the right. Someone like Rubio is more palatable.

If I could appoint someone sure I would appoint the most conservative person running. But in an election the person who is center right or center left has the best chance of actually winning. Always keep in mind the republican is running against the democratic candidate and about 75% of the media.

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Zeb, I really like you and I usually agree with you, but you are dead wrong here. You were dead wrong 3 years ago when you were raving that Romney was going to trounce Obama, and for the same reasons you are touting now.

Kasich is a horrible candidate. Horrible How you can support this guy, of all the candidates, amazes me. He IS unelectable. He has no personality, but what’s worse:

“His record on the Second Amendment is troublesome. He was one of just 42 Republicans to work with Democrats to pass the so-called Ã??Ã?¢??assault weapons banÃ??Ã?¢?? back in 1993Ã??Ã?¢?Ã??Ã?¦he also supported ClintonÃ??Ã?¢??s infamous Ã??Ã?¢??omnibus crime billÃ??Ã?¢?? in 1994 that included more Second Amendment restrictions Ã??Ã?¢?Ã??Ã?¦this is why Kasich received a Ã??Ã?¢??FÃ??Ã?¢?? grade from the NRA for several years in the 1990sÃ??Ã?¢?Ã??Ã?¦in 2014, long-time national conservative activist (and Ohio native) Janet Porter wrote an op-ed for the Cincinnati Enquirer laying out Ã??Ã?¢??Why I CanÃ??Ã?¢??t Vote for John Kasich,Ã??Ã?¢?? in which Porter makes the case her long-time friend was refusing to Ã??Ã?¢??make protecting lives a priorityÃ??Ã?¢??Ã??Ã?¢?Ã??Ã?¦Porter said she Ã??Ã?¢??pleaded for the governorÃ??Ã?¢??s helpÃ??Ã?¢?? in passing a bill that made it illegal to kill a pre-born child in Ohio after a heartbeat can be protected, as the state party had promised to doÃ??Ã?¢?Ã??Ã?¦Kasich also received a backlash from the stateÃ??Ã?¢??s Tea Party movement when he bypassed one of their leaders for executive director of the state Republican Party, and chose someone who previously worked for a homosexual group seeking to overturn the stateÃ??Ã?¢??s marriage law insteadÃ??Ã?¢?Ã??Ã?¦Kasich is also a strong proponent of Obamacare, fully embracing the loathsome legislation as well as a costly $50 billion expansion of MedicaidÃ??Ã?¢?Ã??Ã?¦recently Kasich essentially tried making the case that God is a Marxist. - See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2015/03/2016-scouting-report-john-kasich#sthash.Qb9jj4iv.dpuf”

This is seriously your go-to candidate?

Ted Cruz is the candidate to win. He is a Reaganite facing the SAME challenges that Reagan faced in 1980, a vicious liberal media and an almost wholly corrupt Republican Establishment. He was considered “unelectable” then, too. And he won one of the biggest landslide election victories in American history. Twice.

Personally, I really, really hope that what JB stated Trump was doing is correct, because if it is, we’re in line for one more of those massive landslides.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
TB, what state do you live in?[/quote]

In one of the lower 48.[/quote]

Relax. It ain’t like I was gonna track you down and seduce your wife or something. Sheesh.
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I wasn’t troubled by your question, I’m just not the type who shares personal info. Although I almost made an exception with our good buddy Doc.
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You should’ve. You truly missed out, my friend. I miss the hell outta him. Still hurts bad.[/quote]

I could not agree more. And Doc wasn’t the sharing type, either. But he did make exceptions, thank God.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I’m curious that if it came down to these two candidates for President which would you pick?

If you want to give a reason go ahead but it’s not necessary.

Please Vote Trump or Hillary.[/quote]

The only person that could make me not cast an opposing vote to Hillary would be Jeb Bush, but you present a false choice.

Cruz and Trump are having joint rallies and meet and coordinate frequently.

It’s pretty obvious that Trump wanted to avoid a Jeb presidency, so he is acting at the stalking horse for Cruz, attacking Jeb, bringing attention, and causing Jeb to spend money (which he will soon do on massive attack ads against Trump).

Trump knows he will get mortally wounded by this, leaving Cruz as the elder statesman. It’s really brilliant.

It’s only fair as there are a number of never-gonna-win candidates in the race at the behest of Jeb to split the vote from the viable conservatives: Graham, Huckabie, Rubio, etc.

Basically Trump is giving the RINOs a taste of their own machinations.[/quote]

That is a very interesting read. But, you failed to take one very important matter into account, that is Donald Trump’s ego. I don’t think Trump does anyone’s bidding especially Ted Cruz, who is not nearly as viable as many other candidates. I also think Trump has his eye on the top spot. Maybe not when he first entered the race but most assuredly now. He looked around and found himself in the lead and thought “hey I can actually win and become President”. Okay…just a guess…

However, if I am wrong and he is destroying the Bush candidacy…well good!
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Trump is no “doing anyone’s bidding” but his own. He is playing kingmaker.

And I respectfully think you have drunk the RINO whiskey re: Cruz not being electable. He’s brilliant, smart, has the money, and the machine. The RINOs said the same “not electable” things about him during his Senate race, and he crushed them.[/quote]

I have not been drinking RINO whiskey or even Jack Daniels. But, what you might be failing to see is the fact that Ted Cruz will be attacked ruthlessly by the mainstream liberal media and painted as a right wing kook. Granted you and I don’t think that’s the case. Personally, I think the man is brilliant. But I want a candidate who can actually win. If we don’t win things WILL get worse. So, again I will stick with the Kasich/Rubio ticket, or other variations that can defeat the democratic candidate.
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The liberal media will paint any RNC candidate as a fringe candidate. They claimed Romney was a radical and he was to the left of Bill Clinton on many issues – e.g. single payer healthcare.[/quote]

I think we need to pull the country right gradually. It needs to be done in steps unless of course we had an incredibly charismatic candidate who could do it in one election. Short of that we need to simply beat the democrats. Perform up t the people’s expectations and then elect someone even more conservative. We cannot afford to lose to the likes of Hillary that is for certain. Can you imagine the left wing judges she would appoint to the Supreme Court and other lower courts? We really need to win this one. Obama has done enough damage both at home and aboard.

As for Cruz, like I said he’s brilliant but he has a history of being what the media would call to far to the right. Someone like Rubio is more palatable.

If I could appoint someone sure I would appoint the most conservative person running. But in an election the person who is center right or center left has the best chance of actually winning. Always keep in mind the republican is running against the democratic candidate and about 75% of the media.

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Zeb, I really like you and I usually agree with you, but you are dead wrong here. You were dead wrong 3 years ago when you were raving that Romney was going to trounce Obama, and for the same reasons you are touting now.

Kasich is a horrible candidate. Horrible How you can support this guy, of all the candidates, amazes me. He IS unelectable. He has no personality, but what’s worse:

“His record on the Second Amendment is troublesome. He was one of just 42 Republicans to work with Democrats to pass the so-called Ã???Ã??Ã?¢??assault weapons banÃ???Ã??Ã?¢?? back in 1993Ã???Ã??Ã?¢?Ã???Ã??Ã?¦he also supported ClintonÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??s infamous Ã???Ã??Ã?¢??omnibus crime billÃ???Ã??Ã?¢?? in 1994 that included more Second Amendment restrictions Ã???Ã??Ã?¢?Ã???Ã??Ã?¦this is why Kasich received a Ã???Ã??Ã?¢??FÃ???Ã??Ã?¢?? grade from the NRA for several years in the 1990sÃ???Ã??Ã?¢?Ã???Ã??Ã?¦in 2014, long-time national conservative activist (and Ohio native) Janet Porter wrote an op-ed for the Cincinnati Enquirer laying out Ã???Ã??Ã?¢??Why I CanÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??t Vote for John Kasich,Ã???Ã??Ã?¢?? in which Porter makes the case her long-time friend was refusing to Ã???Ã??Ã?¢??make protecting lives a priorityÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??Ã???Ã??Ã?¢?Ã???Ã??Ã?¦Porter said she Ã???Ã??Ã?¢??pleaded for the governorÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??s helpÃ???Ã??Ã?¢?? in passing a bill that made it illegal to kill a pre-born child in Ohio after a heartbeat can be protected, as the state party had promised to doÃ???Ã??Ã?¢?Ã???Ã??Ã?¦Kasich also received a backlash from the stateÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??s Tea Party movement when he bypassed one of their leaders for executive director of the state Republican Party, and chose someone who previously worked for a homosexual group seeking to overturn the stateÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??s marriage law insteadÃ???Ã??Ã?¢?Ã???Ã??Ã?¦Kasich is also a strong proponent of Obamacare, fully embracing the loathsome legislation as well as a costly $50 billion expansion of MedicaidÃ???Ã??Ã?¢?Ã???Ã??Ã?¦recently Kasich essentially tried making the case that God is a Marxist. - See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2015/03/2016-scouting-report-john-kasich#sthash.Qb9jj4iv.dpuf”

This is seriously your go-to candidate?

Ted Cruz is the candidate to win. He is a Reaganite facing the SAME challenges that Reagan faced in 1980, a vicious liberal media and an almost wholly corrupt Republican Establishment. He was considered “unelectable” then, too. And he won one of the biggest landslide election victories in American history. Twice.

Personally, I really, really hope that what JB stated Trump was doing is correct, because if it is, we’re in line for one more of those massive landslides.

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I like Kasich because he is Governor of Ohio. The republicans cannot win without winning Ohio and Florida it’s that simple. And Kasich is a very popular Governor who would help us carry Ohio. If we threw in Rubio we now have two key states locked up Florida and Ohio. I want to win my friend! Neither of us wants to see another four, or eight years of left leaning democrats appointing left wing activist judges (creating law from the bench), raising taxes and the debt, growing government and in general moving the US to the back of the line as a world power. Well, if we don’t win then all of that and probably a whole lot more happens to us.

As for Cruz, sure I like his policies and if I could appoint a President I would probably pick him out of the 17 running. But contrary to your thoughts he’s no Reagan. Ronald Reagan had tons of charisma. From his acting days he knew how to speak, move and he had movie star good looks. Cruz is not Reagan my friend. Sure he’s conservative like Reagan but that’s where it ends. The camera does not like Cruz, it loved Reagan. But that’s not his only problem. Keep in mind the power of the press. And they are even more biased now than they were back in 1980. Ronald Reagan’s biggest critic back then was Sam Donaldson. There are now 200 Sam Donaldson’s along with comedians who when they do political jokes are only against the republicans. Cruz would be torn to shreds!

Remember it’s always the republican vs the democrat and the left wing media. They will paint Cruz as an out of touch right wing nut case. Sure you and I know that’s nonsense. I think Cruz is brilliant, but it doesn’t matter what we think of the guy. By the time the democrats and the press are done with him he will be unelectable. I wish this were not the case but it is. Keep in mind they called Reagan the Teflon President because nothing they threw at him would stick. Unfortunately, everything that they throw at Cruz will stick like it’s been thrown with super glue.

As for Hillary, I have been very consistent about saying Hillary Clinton will never become President. I would also bet on it! This will be a republican year. The person who gets the republican nomination will become the next President of the US IF he or she runs against Hillary Clinton.

Finally, you are one of the most insightful and wisest posters on T Nation and I enjoy reading your posts. But this time I respectfully disagree.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

I like Kasich because he is Governor of Ohio. The republicans cannot win without winning Ohio and Florida it’s that simple. And Kasich is a very popular Governor who would help us carry Ohio. If we threw in Rubio we now have two key states locked up Florida and Ohio. I want to win my friend! Neither of us wants to see another four, or eight years of left leaning democrats appointing left wing activist judges (creating law from the bench), raising taxes and the debt, growing government and in general moving the US to the back of the line as a world power. Well, if we don’t win then all of that and probably a whole lot more happens to us.

As for Cruz, sure I like his policies and if I could appoint a President I would probably pick him out of the 17 running. But contrary to your thoughts he’s no Reagan. Ronald Reagan had tons of charisma. From his acting days he knew how to speak, move and he had movie star good looks. Cruz is not Reagan my friend. Sure he’s conservative like Reagan but that’s where it ends. The camera does not like Cruz, it loved Reagan. But that’s not his only problem. Keep in mind the power of the press. And they are even more biased now than they were back in 1980. Ronald Reagan’s biggest critic back then was Sam Donaldson. There are now 200 Sam Donaldson’s along with comedians who when they do political jokes are only against the republicans. Cruz would be torn to shreds!

Remember it’s always the republican vs the democrat and the left wing media. They will paint Cruz as an out of touch right wing nut case. Sure you and I know that’s nonsense. I think Cruz is brilliant, but it doesn’t matter what we think of the guy. By the time the democrats and the press are done with him he will be unelectable. I wish this were not the case but it is. Keep in mind they called Reagan the Teflon President because nothing they threw at him would stick. Unfortunately, everything that they throw at Cruz will stick like it’s been thrown with super glue.

As for Hillary, I have been very consistent about saying Hillary Clinton will never become President. I would also bet on it! This will be a republican year. The person who gets the republican nomination will become the next President of the US IF he or she runs against Hillary Clinton.

Finally, you are one of the most insightful and wisest posters on T Nation and I enjoy reading your posts. But this time I respectfully disagree.
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Your strategy is the Republican Establishment strategy. It is the Karl Rove strategy. The Bush Dynasty strategy. The same strategy that gave us the last 7 nightmare years of this Obama Presidency and our current worse than useless, crony, enabling, boot-licking Republican Congressional majority. I contend that it is the wrong one, indeed the worst one for what we MUST have this next election.

We NEED a solid conservative, and the massive Republican wins in the Congressional elections last year should have been enough to demonstrate to anyone that this country of ours desperately craves a conservative to bring us back to prosperity and liberty. Those Republicans ran their campaigns on deeply conservative promises. That jerkoff Mitch McConnell assured us the first thing he would do is to repeal Obamacare. His first day in office, his FIRST DAMNED DAY, he went on public record saying they wouldn’t “shut down the government.” I could go on and on but you know all of this.

Ted Cruz is probably the most electable candidate there is. We’ll see how this plays out, but I think you are the one who is mistaken about this, my friend. Have you followed him? He is a masterful speaker, he absolutely destroys any opponent when confronted whether it’s a debate or an ambush. He is, in a word, Presidential.

I’m just going to go ahead and make my prediction now and say that I think that Ted Cruz will end up as the front runner and that he will win like we haven’t seen in over 30 years. And if I’m wrong and your candidate Kasich or Bush or someone of their ilk makes it through and runs against Bernie Sanders or Biden or maybe even Hillary, they will be unfathomably lucky to even squeak out a victory (because the welfare recipients will turn out for their free shit, and the rest of the citizenry will stay home), and our country will continue it’s ugly slide into tyranny.

This election is the most important of our time. It really is. We don’t need a wishy washy Republican Establishment puppet at the helm.

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I challenge you to watch Ted Cruz confront the bought and sold, crony, mafioso leadership in his own party, WITH NO NOTES, and tell me he would be torn to shreds. This man has what it takes. The video is 19 minutes but if you’ll just watch three I’ll bet you’ll watch it all the way to the end.

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Watch him completely shut down feminist lesbian activist actress Ellen Page, who tried to ambush him. Presidential? You’d better believe it.

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He chews up reporters and spits them out. I can keep going.

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Wasn’t Cruz on some Ivy League debate team?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Wasn’t Cruz on some Ivy League debate team? [/quote]

Yep. Quite the resume:

Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts in Public Policy[38] from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992.[4][6] While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society’s Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship.[39] In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year, as well as Team of the Year, with his debate partner, David Panton.[39] Cruz and Panton represented Harvard Law School at the 1995 World Debating Championship, making it to the semi-finals, where they lost to a team from Australia.[40][41][42] Princeton’s debate team later named their annual novice championship after Cruz.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Wasn’t Cruz on some Ivy League debate team? [/quote]

Yep. Quite the resume:

Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts in Public Policy[38] from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992.[4][6] While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society’s Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship.[39] In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year, as well as Team of the Year, with his debate partner, David Panton.[39] Cruz and Panton represented Harvard Law School at the 1995 World Debating Championship, making it to the semi-finals, where they lost to a team from Australia.[40][41][42] Princeton’s debate team later named their annual novice championship after Cruz.[/quote]

Impressive.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

I like Kasich because he is Governor of Ohio. The republicans cannot win without winning Ohio and Florida it’s that simple. And Kasich is a very popular Governor who would help us carry Ohio. If we threw in Rubio we now have two key states locked up Florida and Ohio. I want to win my friend! Neither of us wants to see another four, or eight years of left leaning democrats appointing left wing activist judges (creating law from the bench), raising taxes and the debt, growing government and in general moving the US to the back of the line as a world power. Well, if we don’t win then all of that and probably a whole lot more happens to us.

As for Cruz, sure I like his policies and if I could appoint a President I would probably pick him out of the 17 running. But contrary to your thoughts he’s no Reagan. Ronald Reagan had tons of charisma. From his acting days he knew how to speak, move and he had movie star good looks. Cruz is not Reagan my friend. Sure he’s conservative like Reagan but that’s where it ends. The camera does not like Cruz, it loved Reagan. But that’s not his only problem. Keep in mind the power of the press. And they are even more biased now than they were back in 1980. Ronald Reagan’s biggest critic back then was Sam Donaldson. There are now 200 Sam Donaldson’s along with comedians who when they do political jokes are only against the republicans. Cruz would be torn to shreds!

Remember it’s always the republican vs the democrat and the left wing media. They will paint Cruz as an out of touch right wing nut case. Sure you and I know that’s nonsense. I think Cruz is brilliant, but it doesn’t matter what we think of the guy. By the time the democrats and the press are done with him he will be unelectable. I wish this were not the case but it is. Keep in mind they called Reagan the Teflon President because nothing they threw at him would stick. Unfortunately, everything that they throw at Cruz will stick like it’s been thrown with super glue.

As for Hillary, I have been very consistent about saying Hillary Clinton will never become President. I would also bet on it! This will be a republican year. The person who gets the republican nomination will become the next President of the US IF he or she runs against Hillary Clinton.

Finally, you are one of the most insightful and wisest posters on T Nation and I enjoy reading your posts. But this time I respectfully disagree.
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Your strategy is the Republican Establishment strategy. It is the Karl Rove strategy. The Bush Dynasty strategy. The same strategy that gave us the last 7 nightmare years of this Obama Presidency and our current worse than useless, crony, enabling, boot-licking Republican Congressional majority. I contend that it is the wrong one, indeed the worst one for what we MUST have this next election.

We NEED a solid conservative, and the massive Republican wins in the Congressional elections last year should have been enough to demonstrate to anyone that this country of ours desperately craves a conservative to bring us back to prosperity and liberty. Those Republicans ran their campaigns on deeply conservative promises. That jerkoff Mitch McConnell assured us the first thing he would do is to repeal Obamacare. His first day in office, his FIRST DAMNED DAY, he went on public record saying they wouldn’t “shut down the government.” I could go on and on but you know all of this.

Ted Cruz is probably the most electable candidate there is. We’ll see how this plays out, but I think you are the one who is mistaken about this, my friend. Have you followed him? He is a masterful speaker, he absolutely destroys any opponent when confronted whether it’s a debate or an ambush. He is, in a word, Presidential.

I’m just going to go ahead and make my prediction now and say that I think that Ted Cruz will end up as the front runner and that he will win like we haven’t seen in over 30 years. And if I’m wrong and your candidate Kasich or Bush or someone of their ilk makes it through and runs against Bernie Sanders or Biden or maybe even Hillary, they will be unfathomably lucky to even squeak out a victory (because the welfare recipients will turn out for their free shit, and the rest of the citizenry will stay home), and our country will continue it’s ugly slide into tyranny.

This election is the most important of our time. It really is. We don’t need a wishy washy Republican Establishment puppet at the helm. [/quote]

Actually, my “strategy” is to simply win. Rubio/Kasich gives us the win. I’d like much better to have those two in any order you wish than say a Biden White House. It is all about winning you know.

And if you have read any of my posts you know that I am not a fan of Jeb Bush. Also, if you think Cruz is the new Reagan well…God Bless you I hope you’re right but I am not seeing it. Where do I begin? I already told you about the Reagan charisma which Cruz has none of. Let’s take women voters for example. Reagan won women, Cruz will lose women - Bet? Cruz does not have the “it” factor. Again, I am speaking about electability not ability. Could Cruz beat someone like Hillary…sure that can happen. Only because Hillary is such a lousy candidate in every way. But what if the democrats actually find a good candidate between now and then?

Again, this takes nothing away from Cruz as a smart guy and a great conservative. But he actually has to win in order for any of that to matter.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
I challenge you to watch Ted Cruz confront the bought and sold, crony, mafioso leadership in his own party, WITH NO NOTES, and tell me he would be torn to shreds. This man has what it takes. The video is 19 minutes but if you’ll just watch three I’ll bet you’ll watch it all the way to the end.

Cortes, I’ve already said that Cruz is a smart guy. By far the sharpest guy running in my opinion. Although I think Rubio is also sharp.

And I said he would be torn to shreds by the media, not in a debate. The media would destroy him with lies and innuendo. He is a real conservative! The left wing media will do whatever it takes to stop him. And then there’s the DNC. What sort of propaganda do you think they will spread?

Hree comes the “he hates women, gays bla bla bla” campaign. Among so many other things. Jokes from the left wing comedians and on and on…

Honestly, you are not hearing me. Cruz is a great conservative and very smart who will take it on the chin from the DNC, and the media.

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Personally I think Cruz’s stance on immigration is what’s going to hurt his bid in a general election.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

And I said he would be torn to shreds by the media, not in a debate. The media would destroy him with lies and innuendo. He is a real conservative! The left wing media will do whatever it takes to stop him. And then there’s the DNC. What sort of propaganda do you think they will spread?

Hree comes the “he hates women, gays bla bla bla” campaign. Among so many other things. Jokes from the left wing comedians and on and on…

Honestly, you are not hearing me. Cruz is a great conservative and very smart who will take it on the chin from the DNC, and the media.[/quote]

Which is very unfortunate.

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Cortes,

One more point on the same matter. Have you watched the Reagan/Carter or, Reagan/Mondale debates? Both Carter and Mondale were more factually accurate than Reagan in both debates. But none of that mattered because the Reagan charm and wit is what won it for him.

One more example is the Kennedy/Nixon debates. Those who listened by radio thought Nixon won, those who watched it on TV thought Kennedy had won. Again, looks and charm matter.

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We are not going to see eye to eye on this, obviously. I think Cruz is the candidate to win it, and establishment Republicans are the ones to lose it.

I have to say this, and I don’t mean it as a jab, I really don’t. Three years ago, I followed (and believed!) every word you had to say about the election and Romney’s assured victory and how everything would play out. You were wrong. You were dead wrong. And here we are again, and you are saying the same stuff. I think this country is ready for something better than some cobbled together Frankenstein’s monster RINO of compromise and strategy meant to formulaically please the maximum amount of voters. We want someone who will inspire us. We want someone who doesn’t take any shit from the media or the left.

Donald Trump is being “destroyed with lies and innuendo,” and look at what happens to him. His polls numbers just grow and grow, and his support becomes stronger and stronger. Why? Because Americans are sick and tired of the establishment from both sides. They are ready for someone who both knows how to articulate a true, positive, inspiring Conservative message, and who is not bought and sold by The Chamber of Commerce, big business and special interests, and who is not afraid to give as good as he gets.

We’ll see what happens. As I said, I think Cruz is going to rise to the top and absolutely obliterate anyone the Dems can serve up.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
We are not going to see eye to eye on this, obviously. I think Cruz is the candidate to win it, and establishment Republicans are the ones to lose it.

I have to say this, and I don’t mean it as a jab, I really don’t. Three years ago, I followed (and believed!) every word you had to say about the election and Romney’s assured victory and how everything would play out. You were wrong. You were dead wrong. And here we are again, and you are saying the same stuff.[/quote]

I thought out of the candidates who were running Romney was the best and I was correct. Do you honestly think Gingrich, or Santorum would have even garnered 45% of the vote? We had a group of candidates where Romney happened to be the best. Please Cortes…if you are going to remember do it fairly. No one is 100% correct but I will say that if Romney had run a better campaign he would have beaten Obama. He allowed Obama and the democrats to paint him as an out of touch rich guy, which he is not. Instead of standing up for who he really is he ran from his own identity. If someone runs a lousy campaign that is certainly not the fault of his supporters. Furthermore there is no way to predict the type of campaign that will be run.

Yeah, if only that person existed (Trump?) I would get behind him. If you think that placing leaders of two must win states on the same ticket is a bad idea you are going to have to explain that to me. Especially when both men have been successful at what they’ve been doing.

I agree with much of what you are saying here. But, Trump is truly a phenomenon for many reasons. If you think Cruz or anyone else’s poll numbers will go up when they are attacked you are mistaken my friend. Trump is unique as he has been in the public eye and people know him as a big mouth who speaks his mind. In other words it is more difficult to damage someone like that. But eventually if he is not careful he will say the wrong thing and the balloon will burst…could happen. If as you say enough people are fed up he will become the next President. I hope not because I think there are far more qualified especially in this field. But, yes that could happen.

And I hope you’re right! But, if you’re not I will be sure to remind you of that in four years time :wink:

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I’m not convinced Hillary will be the democrat nominee. Even if nothing comes of the email issues.

Even for the democrat base, Hillary is a bit on the hawkish side of things and far too moderate on many issues. At least moderate relative to Bernie Sanders or Biden. She’s currently not polling all that well, and even if charges are not brought up again Hillary, that fiasco might still hurt her. I think a lot will depend on whether or not Biden runs.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
I’m not convinced Hillary will be the democrat nominee. Even if nothing comes of the email issues.

Even for the democrat base, Hillary is a bit on the hawkish side of things and far too moderate on many issues. At least moderate relative to Bernie Sanders or Biden. She’s currently not polling all that well, and even if charges are not brought up again Hillary, that fiasco might still hurt her. I think a lot will depend on whether or not Biden runs. [/quote]

Even before the full story of the email scandal was out I was saying Hillary with never become President.

Do you think Biden can beat her in the primaries?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
I’m not convinced Hillary will be the democrat nominee. Even if nothing comes of the email issues.

Even for the democrat base, Hillary is a bit on the hawkish side of things and far too moderate on many issues. At least moderate relative to Bernie Sanders or Biden. She’s currently not polling all that well, and even if charges are not brought up again Hillary, that fiasco might still hurt her. I think a lot will depend on whether or not Biden runs. [/quote]

Even before the full story of the email scandal was out I was saying Hillary with never become President.

Do you think Biden can beat her in the primaries?
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I think it is possible. As others have said already in this thread, many have become very tired of the bickering and partisanship and the status quo. This isn’t just republicans, but democrats are tired of it too. Biden has a long history of working across the table and if he could make this known, it would help tremendously.

I think the democrat party might be primed for a grass roots politician that at least appears to be thoughtful and genuine. This is Biden. Also, democrats desperately want relief for the middle class and while Hillary has addressed this, I think Biden would be able to better relate with people with his early life background and his demeanor. Especially if Warren was on the ticket too since she has has had the promote the middle class label for some time and been very outspoken in that regard.

Even beyond the email scandal, Hillary has a lot of baggage and is too status quo, partisan, and associated with issues in both congress and the white house.

I’m far from certain that Biden could when the nomination against Hillary, but I think it’s well within the realm of possibility and is something to pay close attention to.