Show me where this is being claimed. If you will read what I wrote, you will see that I am talking exclusively about voting - not wanting.
Regardless of what you were talking about (we could be talking about moon landings), to claim that VOTING (see, I capitalized it) for a black man is racist if you actually consider his race is just wrong. Racism in this country is not simply “noticing another race” or “wanting your own race to win at something that it has never won before because of a history of bullshit”.
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Once again, you get it wrong. I said VOTING (my caps lock works as well) SOLEY based on race is racist. I never mentioned “considering” at all.
We could do this all night. I say something. You twist it just enough to make it sound like what you wanted me to say. I refute. You twist…
No, it is racist. Your arbitrary confounding of racism notwithstanding, when you assign any kind of value or privilege on the basis of ethnicity alone, it is racism - “superiority” has nothing to do with it.[/quote]
Again…as if it hasn’t been written before, this would mean the Civil Rights movement is also RACIST according to this definition and every single effort by it as well. If you believe this there is something wrong.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Not like the KKK, but based on the color of one’s skin? Yes. Therefore in it’s purest sense - a racist movement. I think Malcom X kinda said the same thing.
Please…do tell.
He was all about black power. Black empowerment. He didn’t so much care about MLK’s dream. He wanted blacks to to get their seat at the table whether it was given, or taken.
Bottom line - it was about skin color. How can it not be a racist movement? Now before you go off assuming shit again, I am not using racism as a negative. You seem to think that it has only one meaning. [/quote]
If I believed that, I would not have used the term “negative racism”.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Not like the KKK, but based on the color of one’s skin? Yes. Therefore in it’s purest sense - a racist movement. I think Malcom X kinda said the same thing.
Please…do tell.
He was all about black power. Black empowerment. He didn’t so much care about MLK’s dream. He wanted blacks to to get their seat at the table whether it was given, or taken.
Bottom line - it was about skin color. How can it not be a racist movement? Now before you go off assuming shit again, I am not using racism as a negative. You seem to think that it has only one meaning.
If I believed that, I would not have used the term “negative racism”.[/quote]
I couldn’t care less what race someone is. My problem with Obama is that he is an ultra hard left big government socialist with a positively dangerous view of the geopolitical environment we are currently facing. His senate record is terrifying, but he is skating through the primary on a meaningless one note message of change and the novelty of his being the first serious black presidential candidate.
Mark my words. If he wins even his supporters will eventually be back here saying what a mistake he was. Again, not because he’s black, but because he is the diametric opposite of what this country needs. I do believe at least some of his appeal will fade once the general election swings into full gear.
I’m still wondering what Obama supporters would say to an Alan Keyes, Walter Williams or Clarence Thomas candidacy. Those are fine men, all black with a through grasp of how to run this country, especially Keyes. I suspect that the enthusiasm for a black president would fall off drastically because they are constitutional constructionists with decidedly traditional and conservative views.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Mark my words. If he wins even his supporters will eventually be back here saying what a mistake he was. Again, not because he’s black, but because he is the diametric opposite of what this country needs. I do believe at least some of his appeal will fade once the general election swings into full gear.
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Actually,if Obama turns out to be a mistake,his supporters will not own up to it…Bush and his Republican supporters have proven that to us. But we have to wait and see if Obama fucks up worse than Bush before we worry about that…and thats a stretch.
Obama supporters would say…basically…“We don’t like you.” Interesting that the guys you mentioned are all Republican affiliated and are viewed as…dare I say…“the black uncle that no one wants in their family.”
You can thank them along with Jackson,and Sharpton for the enthusiasm for Obama.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Mark my words. If he wins even his supporters will eventually be back here saying what a mistake he was. Again, not because he’s black, but because he is the diametric opposite of what this country needs. I do believe at least some of his appeal will fade once the general election swings into full gear.
Actually,if Obama turns out to be a mistake,his supporters will not own up to it…Bush and his Republican supporters have proven that to us. But we have to wait and see if Obama fucks up worse than Bush before we worry about that…and thats a stretch.
I’m still wondering what Obama supporters would say to an Alan Keyes, Walter Williams or Clarence Thomas candidacy. Those are fine men, all black with a through grasp of how to run this country, especially Keyes. I suspect that the enthusiasm for a black president would fall off drastically because they are constitutional constructionists with decidedly traditional and conservative views.
Obama supporters would say…basically…“We don’t like you.” Interesting that the guys you mentioned are all Republican affiliated and are viewed as…dare I say…“the black uncle that no one wants in their family.”
You can thank them along with Jackson,and Sharpton for the enthusiasm for Obama.
say…“the black uncle that no one wants in their family.”
You can thank them along with Jackson,and Sharpton for the enthusiasm for Obama.
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I’d be glad to have any of them-well maybe not Keyes, he just seems like he’s really angry all the time-as my black uncle. It’d be my first black uncle, so we could make a party of it.
say…“the black uncle that no one wants in their family.”
You can thank them along with Jackson,and Sharpton for the enthusiasm for Obama.
I’d be glad to have any of them-well maybe not Keyes, he just seems like he’s really angry all the time-as my black uncle. It’d be my first black uncle, so we could make a party of it.[/quote]
say…“the black uncle that no one wants in their family.”
You can thank them along with Jackson,and Sharpton for the enthusiasm for Obama.
I’d be glad to have any of them-well maybe not Keyes, he just seems like he’s really angry all the time-as my black uncle. It’d be my first black uncle, so we could make a party of it.
haha…
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Heh. Well, it’s not true if we’re counting step uncles…
say…“the black uncle that no one wants in their family.”
You can thank them along with Jackson,and Sharpton for the enthusiasm for Obama.
I’d be glad to have any of them-well maybe not Keyes, he just seems like he’s really angry all the time-as my black uncle. It’d be my first black uncle, so we could make a party of it.[/quote]
Have you actually heard the man speak? Or are you just basing that off of the one debate that he was let in this year. Do a little research on Dr. Keyes and listen to him before calling him angry all the time. There are lots of good videos at his website. http://www.alankeyes.com
Sadly, I think Boss is right about how blacks view Keyes, but that is insulting to put him in the same category as Jackson and Sharpton. Keyes actually speaks up for what is right, and understands the best ways to help the black community. This is not through more welfare programs.
The other reason that Obama is so popular is because of all the empty promises that he is making. He takes the responsibility away from the individual and wants to hand it all to the federal government. For some reason, a large percentage of the black community must thing this is a good thing. Keyes believes in a small federal government, and believes that responsibility needs to fall on the shoulders of the individual and family, then to local governments and state governments. Why he is chastised in the black community for this I don’t completely know (yes, here it comes), but victimhood is one plausible answer.
FYI, Keyes is a candidate again this year, but the campaign hasn’t exactly been successful. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that he will get the Constitution Party’s nomination and leave the Republican Party. They obviously do not care about true conservative values anymore.
say…“the black uncle that no one wants in their family.”
You can thank them along with Jackson,and Sharpton for the enthusiasm for Obama.
I’d be glad to have any of them-well maybe not Keyes, he just seems like he’s really angry all the time-as my black uncle. It’d be my first black uncle, so we could make a party of it.
Have you actually heard the man speak? Or are you just basing that off of the one debate that he was let in this year. Do a little research on Dr. Keyes and listen to him before calling him angry all the time. There are lots of good videos at his website. http://www.alankeyes.com
Sadly, I think Boss is right about how blacks view Keyes, but that is insulting to put him in the same category as Jackson and Sharpton. Keyes actually speaks up for what is right, and understands the best ways to help the black community. This is not through more welfare programs.
The other reason that Obama is so popular is because of all the empty promises that he is making. He takes the responsibility away from the individual and wants to hand it all to the federal government. For some reason, a large percentage of the black community must thing this is a good thing. Keyes believes in a small federal government, and believes that responsibility needs to fall on the shoulders of the individual and family, then to local governments and state governments. Why he is chastised in the black community for this I don’t completely know (yes, here it comes), but victimhood is one plausible answer.
FYI, Keyes is a candidate again this year, but the campaign hasn’t exactly been successful. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that he will get the Constitution Party’s nomination and leave the Republican Party. They obviously do not care about true conservative values anymore.
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Very good post and Keyes would brutally maul Obama in a debate. He is an extremely capable and clear thinking politician which probably explains why he gets so little attention. I’m still recovering from neck injuries sustained while nodding in response to some of his speeches.
I’m keeping my fingers crossed that he will get the Constitution Party’s nomination and leave the Republican Party. They obviously do not care about true conservative values anymore.
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Oh boy…I was looking into voting for the CP nominee.
say…“the black uncle that no one wants in their family.”
You can thank them along with Jackson,and Sharpton for the enthusiasm for Obama.
I’d be glad to have any of them-well maybe not Keyes, he just seems like he’s really angry all the time-as my black uncle. It’d be my first black uncle, so we could make a party of it.
haha…
Heh. Well, it’s not true if we’re counting step uncles…[/quote]
Well to put things in perspective,if this was an “uncle” of yours in parallel to what I was refering to…I’m sure he’d be questioned for his “colorful love” of a particular people. And on that note…I’m done with that.
say…“the black uncle that no one wants in their family.”
You can thank them along with Jackson,and Sharpton for the enthusiasm for Obama.
I’d be glad to have any of them-well maybe not Keyes, he just seems like he’s really angry all the time-as my black uncle. It’d be my first black uncle, so we could make a party of it.
haha…
Heh. Well, it’s not true if we’re counting step uncles…
Well to put things in perspective,if this was an “uncle” of yours in parallel to what I was refering to…I’m sure he’d be questioned for his “colorful love” of a particular people. And on that note…I’m done with that.
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Heh. My parents divorced so early on in my life, I never saw my real father until the age of 14. In the meantime, my mother married a black man. So, black step father, black step-uncles. Though the family didn’t really like us…so I never met them.
say…“the black uncle that no one wants in their family.”
You can thank them along with Jackson,and Sharpton for the enthusiasm for Obama.
I’d be glad to have any of them-well maybe not Keyes, he just seems like he’s really angry all the time-as my black uncle. It’d be my first black uncle, so we could make a party of it.
Have you actually heard the man speak? Or are you just basing that off of the one debate that he was let in this year. Do a little research on Dr. Keyes and listen to him before calling him angry all the time. There are lots of good videos at his website. http://www.alankeyes.com
Sadly, I think Boss is right about how blacks view Keyes, but that is insulting to put him in the same category as Jackson and Sharpton. Keyes actually speaks up for what is right, and understands the best ways to help the black community. This is not through more welfare programs.
The other reason that Obama is so popular is because of all the empty promises that he is making. He takes the responsibility away from the individual and wants to hand it all to the federal government. For some reason, a large percentage of the black community must thing this is a good thing. Keyes believes in a small federal government, and believes that responsibility needs to fall on the shoulders of the individual and family, then to local governments and state governments. Why he is chastised in the black community for this I don’t completely know (yes, here it comes), but victimhood is one plausible answer.
FYI, Keyes is a candidate again this year, but the campaign hasn’t exactly been successful. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that he will get the Constitution Party’s nomination and leave the Republican Party. They obviously do not care about true conservative values anymore.
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I was only making the point that Keyes,Thomas,Sharpton,and Jackson are in the same category as far as never being taking serious as legitimate black presidential candidates. Nothing more. I respect Keyes more than I would the others mentioned. But he’s like “Angry Man” from Martin…I’m waiting for him to say “Man,sit yo ass down!”
say…“the black uncle that no one wants in their family.”
You can thank them along with Jackson,and Sharpton for the enthusiasm for Obama.
I’d be glad to have any of them-well maybe not Keyes, he just seems like he’s really angry all the time-as my black uncle. It’d be my first black uncle, so we could make a party of it.
haha…
Heh. Well, it’s not true if we’re counting step uncles…
Well to put things in perspective,if this was an “uncle” of yours in parallel to what I was refering to…I’m sure he’d be questioned for his “colorful love” of a particular people. And on that note…I’m done with that.
Heh. My parents divorced so early on in my life, I never saw my real father until the age of 14. In the meantime, my mother married a black man. So, black step father, black step-uncles. Though the family didn’t really like us…so I never met them.[/quote]