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[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

Let me give you a little lesson moron. Healthcare is a perfect example of how the profit motive is dangerous and inefficient. Adult stem cells cannot be patented so the pharmaceutical companies-who own the FDA- purposefully put up roadblocks to keep this from coming to market. Because the treatment works so much better than there garbage pharmaceuticals it represents a huge economic threat to their bottom line. So it pays to make people suffer. And just out of curiosity, since you’re a bonehead conservative, do you think GE is a socialsit style company?[/quote]

It was a yes or no question. You literally had only to successfully type, at the most, three letters. It’s like you have keyboard turret syndrome.

And by the way - using GE as a symbol of free market capitalism shows how very little you know about free market capitalism, and how little you know about GE.

Dude - you totally scored an ignorance two-fer. Kudos.
[/quote]

i’m not your monkey so go fuck yourself. What I have done is show the inefficiency of the market based model in healthcare. You have provided nothing to refute it, accept to chide me for not obeying your request for a black and white answer but if that is what you like, let me ask you, does market-based models function in every market. Yes or no.

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[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

Let me give you a little lesson moron. Healthcare is a perfect example of how the profit motive is dangerous and inefficient. Adult stem cells cannot be patented so the pharmaceutical companies-who own the FDA- purposefully put up roadblocks to keep this from coming to market. Because the treatment works so much better than there garbage pharmaceuticals it represents a huge economic threat to their bottom line. So it pays to make people suffer. And just out of curiosity, since you’re a bonehead conservative, do you think GE is a socialsit style company?[/quote]

It was a yes or no question. You literally had only to successfully type, at the most, three letters. It’s like you have keyboard turret syndrome.

And by the way - using GE as a symbol of free market capitalism shows how very little you know about free market capitalism, and how little you know about GE.

Dude - you totally scored an ignorance two-fer. Kudos.
[/quote]
And furthermore what is your evidence that GE is not capitalistic and mostly concerned with their bottom line?

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Yes cause my side is closer to the truth. That is what there primary concern is not profits. So if it comes from a side or journalist who isn’t motivated by profit it can’t be true?[/quote]

So let me see if I have this straight - being motivated by profit is a bad thing. There can be no truth when profit is one’s main objective. Is that your contention? I will assume that it is - given your unintelligible gibberish quoted above.

Being motivated politically means that one is more truthful and therefore more noble in his reasons for pushing his political motivations?

A simple yes or no will suffice. No need to use words you don’t understand or ones you can’t spell. Just yes or no. [/quote]

Let me give you a little lesson moron. Healthcare is a perfect example of how the profit motive is dangerous and inefficient. Adult stem cells cannot be patented so the pharmaceutical companies-who own the FDA- purposefully put up roadblocks to keep this from coming to market. Because the treatment works so much better than there garbage pharmaceuticals it represents a huge economic threat to their bottom line. So it pays to make people suffer. And just out of curiosity, since you’re a bonehead conservative, do you think GE is a socialsit style company?[/quote]

You failed.

This thing you do where you take a flying leap straight off of the cliff of rational though and head first into evil corporate conspiracy land is fucking hilarious, But you aren’t going to school anybody like that.

Especially not yourself, which is kinda sad.

[/quote]

So what I wrote is not true? So where are all the stem cell facilities in the U.S. and why are other countries whose healthcare is not run by corporations making great strides in this field?

You contribute nothing of substance here, as usual.[/quote]

They do not have the same regulatory constraints to work under as US researchers do, and by the way, what proof do you have that stem cell treatments are superior or even applicable to the conditions that standard pharmaceutical medications are used to treat?

And you don’t patent the actual stem cells. You patent the process by which they are produced. See definition of utility patent-

Types of patent applications and proceedings | USPTO

edit for afterthought:

You do know that US based technology and companies do operate outside of the US, right?

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
i’m not your monkey so go fuck yourself. What I have done is show the inefficiency of the market based model in healthcare. You have provided nothing to refute it, accept to chide me for not obeying your request for a black and white answer but if that is what you like, let me ask you, does market-based models function in every market. Yes or no.[/quote]

My monkey has the cerebral capacity to carry out basic instruction, so you can’t possibly be MY monkey. Besides - you act more like a parrot than a monkey.

What you have done is demonstrate a level of ignorance that would be laughable if not for the fact that you actually think you are saying something. You remind me of George Costanza and “The Penske File”.

Sorry, George - No answers from me until I get one from you first.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
And furthermore what is your evidence that GE is not capitalistic and mostly concerned with their bottom line?[/quote]

You are literally becoming more ignorant with each post. Do some damn research, George. The notion that words and phrases have meaning is as foreign to you as knowing how to fill out a business tax return.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Adult stem cells cannot be patented so the pharmaceutical companies-who own the FDA- purposefully put up roadblocks to keep this from coming to market. Because the treatment works so much better than there garbage pharmaceuticals it represents a huge economic threat to their bottom line. So it pays to make people suffer.[/quote]

Again, your solution to a supposed problem(I don’t know anything about stem cells, so I can’t comment on the actual advantages or disadvantages of such) caused by government(you say the FDA) is more government intervention.

You seem not to understand that the solution to these problems is less government, not more.

You seem not to understand that government intervention does not make for a free market, regardless of whether that intervention helps you or big business.

I guess I don’t understand why a human with the ability to find this website and type continues to lick the boot that kicks him.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
i’m not your monkey so go fuck yourself. What I have done is show the inefficiency of the market based model in healthcare. You have provided nothing to refute it, accept to chide me for not obeying your request for a black and white answer but if that is what you like, let me ask you, does market-based models function in every market. Yes or no.[/quote]

How is the market inefficient in any arena? You provided a claim that government intrusion in healthcare is bad.

I know this question wasn’t directed at me, but yes, market-based models function in every market. Whether you like it or not, the profit motive exists.

The choice we have is between a market-based economy and a force-based economy.

You seem to prefer a primitive economy in which he with the most force(government) controls decisions. Others would prefer an economy in which people are able to make their own decisions.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

Yes cause my side is closer to the truth. That is what there primary concern is not profits. So if it comes from a side or journalist who isn’t motivated by profit it can’t be true?[/quote]

Ah, so their primary concern would be?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

Yes cause my side is closer to the truth. That is what there primary concern is not profits. So if it comes from a side or journalist who isn’t motivated by profit it can’t be true?[/quote]

Ah, so their primary concern would be?[/quote]

Altruism. They simply love informing people and thrive off of the sense of accomplishment the feel when they have reported something.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

Yes cause my side is closer to the truth. That is what there primary concern is not profits. So if it comes from a side or journalist who isn’t motivated by profit it can’t be true?[/quote]

Ah, so their primary concern would be?[/quote]

Zeppelin would prefer everyone pursue totally subjective goals(whatever those may be), rather than an objective one(profit).

He would rather not know what is motivating his employer, your employer, or the company producing the goods he consumes.

You may enjoy the confidence you have that your new television won’t blow your house up the first time you turn it on, since that result would greatly reduce the profits of the company producing it; however, Zeppelin prefers the invigorating rush provided by not knowing whether his new television was produced by someone who wants to sell more televisions or someone who just wants to kill a few families by producing a few exploding televisions.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

He would rather not know what is motivating his employer, your employer, or the company producing the goods he consumes.

You may enjoy the confidence you have that your new television won’t blow your house up the first time you turn it on, since that result would greatly reduce the profits of the company producing it; however, Zeppelin prefers the invigorating rush provided by not knowing whether his new television was produced by someone who wants to sell more televisions or someone who just wants to kill a few families by producing a few exploding televisions.

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You bring up a very good point in his not knowing things.

Maybe instead of chiding and cajoling him we should just let him be. I mean, imagine the wonder and amazement life must hold for a person like him.

Kinda like one of those legendary nature children who was raised in the wilderness that Disney makes movies about every so often. We shouldn’t ruin that.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Yes cause my side is closer to the truth. That is what there primary concern is not profits. So if it comes from a side or journalist who isn’t motivated by profit it can’t be true?[/quote]

So let me see if I have this straight - being motivated by profit is a bad thing. There can be no truth when profit is one’s main objective. Is that your contention? I will assume that it is - given your unintelligible gibberish quoted above.

Being motivated politically means that one is more truthful and therefore more noble in his reasons for pushing his political motivations?

A simple yes or no will suffice. No need to use words you don’t understand or ones you can’t spell. Just yes or no. [/quote]

Let me give you a little lesson moron. Healthcare is a perfect example of how the profit motive is dangerous and inefficient. Adult stem cells cannot be patented so the pharmaceutical companies-who own the FDA- purposefully put up roadblocks to keep this from coming to market. Because the treatment works so much better than there garbage pharmaceuticals it represents a huge economic threat to their bottom line. So it pays to make people suffer. And just out of curiosity, since you’re a bonehead conservative, do you think GE is a socialsit style company?[/quote]

You failed.

This thing you do where you take a flying leap straight off of the cliff of rational though and head first into evil corporate conspiracy land is fucking hilarious, But you aren’t going to school anybody like that.

Especially not yourself, which is kinda sad.

[/quote]

So what I wrote is not true? So where are all the stem cell facilities in the U.S. and why are other countries whose healthcare is not run by corporations making great strides in this field?

You contribute nothing of substance here, as usual.[/quote]

They do not have the same regulatory constraints to work under as US researchers do, and by the way, what proof do you have that stem cell treatments are superior or even applicable to the conditions that standard pharmaceutical medications are used to treat?

And you don’t patent the actual stem cells. You patent the process by which they are produced. See definition of utility patent-

Types of patent applications and proceedings | USPTO

edit for afterthought:

You do know that US based technology and companies do operate outside of the US, right?

[/quote]

Try most people that want to try this treatment have to go out of the U.S. The Stem Cell Institute in Panama City was started by a U.S. doctor because he was sick and tired of the roadblocks put up by the FDA to open up a clinic in the U.S. Vet Stem is a company located in San Diego that has been in business since 2002. They treat animals with there own fat derived stem cells, horses that have run in the Kentucky Derby and so forth. Over 10 years of business and no side effects. However, you can’t get this in our country because of the pharmaceutical companies and the economic threat it represents to them. It’s merely an institutional analysis of these corporations. You can reply with all of the right-wing free-market talking points you wish while others are getting treated successfully for diseases outside this country. You have provided nothing to counter reality only an ideology. It pays to make people suffer.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
i’m not your monkey so go fuck yourself. What I have done is show the inefficiency of the market based model in healthcare. You have provided nothing to refute it, accept to chide me for not obeying your request for a black and white answer but if that is what you like, let me ask you, does market-based models function in every market. Yes or no.[/quote]

How is the market inefficient in any arena? You provided a claim that government intrusion in healthcare is bad.

I know this question wasn’t directed at me, but yes, market-based models function in every market. Whether you like it or not, the profit motive exists.

The choice we have is between a market-based economy and a force-based economy.

You seem to prefer a primitive economy in which he with the most force(government) controls decisions. Others would prefer an economy in which people are able to make their own decisions.[/quote]

Unfortunately you don’t have an economy which is run to benefit the public as a whole. You have an economy designed to benefit the shareholders above all else, no matter what the externalities are. You seem to prefer a fairyland where theories are the order of the day and their practical applications are ignored.

An institutional analysis dictates that companies like Pfizer need to do whatever is in their power to protect profits. Not letting adult stem cells come to fruition is one way to protect this. Very simple, if you will.

As a side note why do Americans pay twice as much as anyone else in the world for their healthcare and medical costs are the number 1 reason for bankruptcy? And people on here believe we have a model that is to be envied by others. If this model is so good why don’t other wealthy industrialized countries adopt it?

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Adult stem cells cannot be patented so the pharmaceutical companies-who own the FDA- purposefully put up roadblocks to keep this from coming to market. Because the treatment works so much better than there garbage pharmaceuticals it represents a huge economic threat to their bottom line. So it pays to make people suffer.[/quote]

Again, your solution to a supposed problem(I don’t know anything about stem cells, so I can’t comment on the actual advantages or disadvantages of such) caused by government(you say the FDA) is more government intervention.

You seem not to understand that the solution to these problems is less government, not more.

You seem not to understand that government intervention does not make for a free market, regardless of whether that intervention helps you or big business.

I guess I don’t understand why a human with the ability to find this website and type continues to lick the boot that kicks him.[/quote]

No idiot it is you who doesn’t understand. We have a government by and for the corporations for the most part. If it was a governent by and for the people things would be much different.

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[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
And furthermore what is your evidence that GE is not capitalistic and mostly concerned with their bottom line?[/quote]

You are literally becoming more ignorant with each post. Do some damn research, George. The notion that words and phrases have meaning is as foreign to you as knowing how to fill out a business tax return. [/quote]

Why don’t you provide some evidence, George? Is it that you can’t because you make no sense?

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[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
i’m not your monkey so go fuck yourself. What I have done is show the inefficiency of the market based model in healthcare. You have provided nothing to refute it, accept to chide me for not obeying your request for a black and white answer but if that is what you like, let me ask you, does market-based models function in every market. Yes or no.[/quote]

My monkey has the cerebral capacity to carry out basic instruction, so you can’t possibly be MY monkey. Besides - you act more like a parrot than a monkey.

What you have done is demonstrate a level of ignorance that would be laughable if not for the fact that you actually think you are saying something. You remind me of George Costanza and “The Penske File”.

Sorry, George - No answers from me until I get one from you first. [/quote]

It is hard to answer a question when someone like you lives in a black and white world of ideology. Some questions demand refinement and yes or no doesn’t truly answer the question. However, your cerebral capacity can’t understand this.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Why don’t you provide some evidence, George? Is it that you can’t because you make no sense?[/quote]

Advice? What kind of ‘advice’ would you like me to give? You have demonstrated your colossal inability to comprehend even the most basic concepts of common sense.

And since ‘advice’ is predicated on understanding such concepts, my chances at success would be tenfold greater if, rather than giving you ‘advice’, I instead taught my mini-Australian Shepherd how to play the Blue Danube on an accordion.

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[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Why don’t you provide some evidence, George? Is it that you can’t because you make no sense?[/quote]

Advice? What kind of ‘advice’ would you like me to give? You have demonstrated your colossal inability to comprehend even the most basic concepts of common sense.

And since ‘advice’ is predicated on understanding such concepts, my chances at success would be tenfold greater if, rather than giving you ‘advice’, I instead taught my mini-Australian Shepherd how to play the Blue Danube on an accordion.
[/quote]

Try reading it again. I never used the word advice.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Yes cause my side is closer to the truth. That is what there primary concern is not profits. So if it comes from a side or journalist who isn’t motivated by profit it can’t be true?[/quote]

So let me see if I have this straight - being motivated by profit is a bad thing. There can be no truth when profit is one’s main objective. Is that your contention? I will assume that it is - given your unintelligible gibberish quoted above.

Being motivated politically means that one is more truthful and therefore more noble in his reasons for pushing his political motivations?

A simple yes or no will suffice. No need to use words you don’t understand or ones you can’t spell. Just yes or no. [/quote]

Let me give you a little lesson moron. Healthcare is a perfect example of how the profit motive is dangerous and inefficient. Adult stem cells cannot be patented so the pharmaceutical companies-who own the FDA- purposefully put up roadblocks to keep this from coming to market. Because the treatment works so much better than there garbage pharmaceuticals it represents a huge economic threat to their bottom line. So it pays to make people suffer. And just out of curiosity, since you’re a bonehead conservative, do you think GE is a socialsit style company?[/quote]

You failed.

This thing you do where you take a flying leap straight off of the cliff of rational though and head first into evil corporate conspiracy land is fucking hilarious, But you aren’t going to school anybody like that.

Especially not yourself, which is kinda sad.

[/quote]

So what I wrote is not true? So where are all the stem cell facilities in the U.S. and why are other countries whose healthcare is not run by corporations making great strides in this field?

You contribute nothing of substance here, as usual.[/quote]

They do not have the same regulatory constraints to work under as US researchers do, and by the way, what proof do you have that stem cell treatments are superior or even applicable to the conditions that standard pharmaceutical medications are used to treat?

And you don’t patent the actual stem cells. You patent the process by which they are produced. See definition of utility patent-

Types of patent applications and proceedings | USPTO

edit for afterthought:

You do know that US based technology and companies do operate outside of the US, right?

[/quote]

Try most people that want to try this treatment have to go out of the U.S. The Stem Cell Institute in Panama City was started by a U.S. doctor because he was sick and tired of the roadblocks put up by the FDA to open up a clinic in the U.S. Vet Stem is a company located in San Diego that has been in business since 2002. They treat animals with there own fat derived stem cells, horses that have run in the Kentucky Derby and so forth. Over 10 years of business and no side effects. However, you can’t get this in our country because of the pharmaceutical companies and the economic threat it represents to them. It’s merely an institutional analysis of these corporations. You can reply with all of the right-wing free-market talking points you wish while others are getting treated successfully for diseases outside this country. You have provided nothing to counter reality only an ideology. It pays to make people suffer.[/quote]

Okey Dokey there Bambi! You go frolic in the woods now and don’t go filling your head with any factual or scientific gobletygook.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Why don’t you provide some evidence, George? Is it that you can’t because you make no sense?[/quote]

Advice? What kind of ‘advice’ would you like me to give? You have demonstrated your colossal inability to comprehend even the most basic concepts of common sense.

And since ‘advice’ is predicated on understanding such concepts, my chances at success would be tenfold greater if, rather than giving you ‘advice’, I instead taught my mini-Australian Shepherd how to play the Blue Danube on an accordion.
[/quote]

Try reading it again. I never used the word advice.
[/quote]

I hate when I do that.

Evidence of what? That GE is a crony capitalist? Or evidence that you have no earthly idea what a crony capitalist is?

Your inability to grasp anything business-related suggests to me that you wouldn’t know evidence if it slapped you in the face and called you mommy.