@systemlord I will bet you $500 in cash right now, in front of everyone here, that I get this guy on 30mg a day of T and it changes his life. His E2 may approach 100 in the process. Won’t make a difference. He’ll feel a fuck ton better than he does now.
Deal??
I’m not going to see this guy with good testosterone shutdown needlessly so we have enrich ourselves with $500 cash money.
Than again I’m not trying to build a YouTube channel.
What the hell does this have to do with a damn YouTube channel? Who’s mentioning YouTube here?
Good testosterone with all the symptoms of low T. But his ‘numbers are good’.
It’s laughable.
@systemlord am I selling anything here? Pushing a product? Promoting a service? Is anyone paying me for anything? Have I made a dime doing this?
I’ll repeat: get your head out of your ass.
Your statement is not correct.
Take it from somebody who does analytical biochemistry professionally.
We discussed the difference between the methods with regard to accuracy and precision previously:
From my research, anastrozole/arimidex seem to be a possible solution. But I can’t find a protocol that is specific to my numbers.
I am also worried about my free testosterone being that high. Through my research, I have found that to be a causative factor for symptoms I am experiencing as well.
Would there be any further labs you would suggest before starting an estrogen protocol? Would LH / FSH/ Prolactin, etc change the treatment plan if I were to get those checked? Or do I have enough lab data to draw a conclusion.
Would you have lab data of more T and E2 measurements? Measured from the same blood draw.
Besides the freeT levels, many studies report that the T to E2 ratio is correlated to the clinical picture, ie symptoms of androgen deficiency.
Curious, in your opinion, will an anti aging clinic suggest this? Or will they just look at my total test and say i’m not a candidate?
Your best idea is to block your estrogen? You feel that your ‘high free t’ causes issues? What if I said that the guys I deal with that are free of symtoms typically have free T between 30-60 ng/dL? Where is your evidence of testosterone causing harm?
You asked Danny, so I apologize for jumping in. Yes, there are “anti aging” clinics that would certainly treat you based on your symptoms.
I have testosterone / estrogen data from 5+ years ago when I was 21, 23, and 24.
Would this be of any use?
Yes to your question about anti aging clinics. Yes, I’d be curious to see what your numbers were from 5 years ago.
I am just gathering research and data, and getting opinions from people with more experience than me.
For every post I have read about high E2 causing issues, I have read the same amount of post suggesting that high FT can be the issue too. However, I haven’t found any post about someone who had high FT & high E2.
As mentioned before, in my early and mid-20’s, I was tested 3 times for testosterone. Each time my result was less than 450, with one result of 360.
I surely thought that I was finally in a “treatable” range and appropriate age to start TRT. That is why I got this blood work drawn. I had a desire to start TRT. However, these numbers don’t correlate with the same numbers I see people present with pre-trt. (Again, I hear your sentiment about treating symptoms and not numbers). I am a ICU nurse and I see that in the medical world a lot.
Thanks in advance for the knowledge and input.
Start with the simplest solution based on the available data. Research ways to naturally lower estrogen. I mentioned a few supplements in my previous post. You state that you’re not worried about exercise and diet but your BF has increased. Something has changed. You say is that you haven’t eaten fast food or drank alcohol for 90 days. What are you eating specifically? With respect to Cialis, have you tried increasing the dose?
My numbers on 42mg EOD. FT is in top and TT is below. My sensitive E2 is 49.
I feel much better with these numbers than I did when I was in a lower dose that had my TT at 650ish and E2 at 25.
It’s all so individual - just have to try something for 8 weeks and assess.
I think he meant anyone who’s not on TRT.
It’s actually abnormal, never saw anything like that in natural guys.
Are you exposed to toxins or chemicals at your workplace or home? What’s your diet?
On a side note, the tones on this forum are getting unbearable. This guy came to search for help he couldn’t get from his doctor and he had to go through posts of people insulting each others.
Can we please all calm down and try to express our OPINIONS in a civil way.
Also let me add that before having a 29 years old guy on TRT for life, he should have exhausted all the other options like I did.
You Americans rush into drugs really easily.
Oops… Sorry about that, disregard @yamaha282
Sure.
You won’t because anastrozole is for women with breast cancer, you won’t find specific information in regards to men anywhere. You have to start out low until you know how you metabolize anastrozole.
There no way to know how each man with metabolize anastrozole, if you take me for an example, if I take 1/8 of a 0.050 anastrozole, it is too much for me because I’m an AI over-responder.
It’s true men on TRT who have high FT can have issues with high estrogen, however it’s rare to see men with natural T having these problems because the cypionate spikes T and E2 in a way that isn’t natural. Natural T and E2 is pulsatile, meaning little spikes all day long rather than long gradual spikes over days on TRT.
You need someone to find out what is causing the imbalance, someone who does this sort of thing on a daily basis, not an ordinary endocrinology or urologists, but an anti-aging doc. Defy Medical has a very good chance of helping you figure this out, you want to speak with Dr. Saya.
Testosterone fluctuates wildly from day to day, lower on some days, higher on other days. The endocrine system is complex and a lot of doctors don’t understand, they think because your levels were good on one test, that this means levels are going to be good tomorrow and the next day and next week.
You got that right, maybe it’s the long three and a half minute big pharma commercials leading us to believe drugs are safe, perfectly normal and healthy for you. Drugs should be a last resort when all other natural remedies have been exhausted and life without drugs is unbearable.
