High Estrogen Naturally?

Pharma / TRT
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So somewhat recently, I have tested my natural levels of testosterone around 950 ng/dl. This is on the higher end of what people usually have naturally, so I imagine that a fairly large amount converts to estrogen. I store a fairly good amount of fat in my hips/glutes/thighs which seems to be an estrogenic pattern of storing fat. This is the way it has been for me my whole life.

Would one have to use an AI/low doses of Letro for their whole life if their body naturally produces high levels of estrogen?

Basically, how do people who have naturally high levels of estrogen manage this their whole lives?

And, are there side effects associated with them managing the estrogen?

I wish I had a blood test to look at the levels, but unfortunately it is not possible for me right now due to various reason.

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If you want to know your E2, get it tested. Otherwise you are just stroking your brain-cock.

This is more appropriate for the TRT forum, but you will probably get better answers here.

The answer is that yes, people do sometimes have high E2 and it causes issues for them. But this is usually associated with some sort of disease state. It seems that if your body is naturally producing high testosterone, you actually don’t tend to convert a lot of that to estrogen. This is due to the body’s tightly controlled feedback loop–if you start aromatizing too much, your body downregulates your T production to compensate.

The issues we see in the TRT forum are associated with disease states and mostly correspond to low T/high E2 (or too high of a ratio) that ends up with estrogen dominance. This can be caused by many things–liver clearance issues, being too fat, or more likely due to downregulation of other hormone functions, specifically cortisol and thyroid. There is a good discussion on this written by “chilln” on Dr. Crisler’s forum called Hormones 101 (or something to that effect).

Interestingly, it seems that AI monotherapy does not tend to improve symptoms in the vast majority of cases I’ve seen. Even if they get a corresponding increase in T (up to double and very well within the range) and lowered E2, the symptoms still persist.

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Topic unrelated: That is a super high natural T level! Grats(?)lol.

Topic related: What does your cardio regimen look like? My training partner was obsessed that his E2 was high (he held alot of pelvic fat) for months before I noticed his entire cardio regime took place on the stairmaster. After switching to sled push/pulls and sprints his ‘trunkular’ region looked much more aesthetic and he was much more agile. This may be part of a comprehensive solution.

I won’t pretend to give you a better answer than VT, but I will certainly agree that Arimidex probably won’t noticeably change your fat distribution.

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
If you want to know your E2, get it tested. Otherwise you are just stroking your brain-cock.

This is more appropriate for the TRT forum, but you will probably get better answers here.

The answer is that yes, people do sometimes have high E2 and it causes issues for them. But this is usually associated with some sort of disease state. It seems that if your body is naturally producing high testosterone, you actually don’t tend to convert a lot of that to estrogen. This is due to the body’s tightly controlled feedback loop–if you start aromatizing too much, your body downregulates your T production to compensate.

The issues we see in the TRT forum are associated with disease states and mostly correspond to low T/high E2 (or too high of a ratio) that ends up with estrogen dominance. This can be caused by many things–liver clearance issues, being too fat, or more likely due to downregulation of other hormone functions, specifically cortisol and thyroid. There is a good discussion on this written by “chilln” on Dr. Crisler’s forum called Hormones 101 (or something to that effect).

Interestingly, it seems that AI monotherapy does not tend to improve symptoms in the vast majority of cases I’ve seen. Even if they get a corresponding increase in T (up to double and very well within the range) and lowered E2, the symptoms still persist.
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Thanks for the response.

So basically what you are saying is that it is unlikely that I have high E2 levels if my natural testosterone production is high, because of the body’s automatic regulatory mechanisms.

In this case, what could be a cause of my high fat storage in my hips/thighs/glutes?

Also, on a somewhat related note, I have never really had very high of a libido, especially if one takes into account my apparently high test levels. I figured this could be a cause of E2 levels, although it could also be prolactin (but this would probably signal a problem with thyroid) or a problem with dopamine/seratonin/depression (not too sure how relevant this is to me).

So, basically, my question still remains in that:

  1. What is causing this fat storage? Pure genetics, or a combination of hormones (high E2)?

  2. My libido is quite low, especially recently, for my corresponding test levels. Could E2 be a factor in this? (I understand there are also other things to consider, but I am not sure how relevant they are when pertaining to me.)

  3. As I understand, you said that people typically don’t have naturally high E2 levels as a result of naturally high testosterone? So, what I am suggesting I have is not likely? And if it is possible, putting yourself under continuous regimens of AIs would not work?

Thanks for the help

EDIT:

As for additional info, I’m in my early 20s, and am 6’3 230ish at between 14-16% bf.

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[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
Topic unrelated: That is a super high natural T level! Grats(?)lol.

Topic related: What does your cardio regimen look like? My training partner was obsessed that his E2 was high (he held alot of pelvic fat) for months before I noticed his entire cardio regime took place on the stairmaster. After switching to sled push/pulls and sprints his ‘trunkular’ region looked much more aesthetic and he was much more agile. This may be part of a comprehensive solution.

I won’t pretend to give you a better answer than VT, but I will certainly agree that Arimidex probably won’t noticeably change your fat distribution. [/quote]

Thanks for the response.

I incorporate hill sprints, and steady state (jogging) cardio exercises around 1-2 times per week. I find that any more and my explosiveness in the weight room and on the basketball court suffers.

I don’t store much fat in my upper body at all. It is quite concentrated in my legs, and actually makes people think I weigh much less than I actually do. I naturally have fairly big legs/thighs. My upper body looks closer to someone who is 180/190lbs but my lower body more than makes up for it.

When I was in my teen years, I did vast amounts of cardio as I was very active in soccer/basketball and played at highly intensive levels for years. My fat storage during those times was exactly the same.

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That’s odd. Well don’t get caught in the mindset that you must approach this from a hormonal perspective. Just approach it as fat loss, regardless of where it is deposited. For bodybuilding that may not necessarily be a bad thing. I’m the complete opposite, I have sliced quads long before I get to 4+ defined abs.

-PTD

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  1. It is nigh-on-impossible to diagnosis this without more information. Could be a combination of things. If you are really concerned, go get your bloodwork done (read the stickeys in the TRT forum to figure out what you need) and open a thread there and see what happens. Though if it really isnt impacting your QOL, I wouldnt do it. Depending on your personality, you can find yourself obsessed with it fairly easily. It saved my life since that’s how I discovered I had testicular cancer, but for most people it would probably be better just going on living out your life.

  2. Possible factors include: E2, prolactin, thyroid, cortisol, dopamine, serotonin, DHT.

  3. Yes for most people in a non-disease state, it would be exceedingly rare to see a naturally high testosterone level accompanied by a high estrogen level. I have never seen it (but then again I guess these guys wouldn’t be posting in a T replacement forum). As for the AI monotherapy, I’ve already answered that. I’ve never seen anyone have improved symptoms from it.

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I recently had blood work done and was coming off an AI at the time. My natural T levels are around 400 and my E is out of range (153 with it supposed to be under 130 and then 47 with it supposed to be under 39 given the units). I got the results back and my test was up to 800, E still the same (but much lower than when I was taking the designer steroid) but I didn’t really feel any different and although test was relatively high my libido is still kind of low for my age, even though performance has never been an issue.

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[quote]pumped340 wrote:
I recently had blood work done and was coming off an AI at the time. My natural T levels are around 400 and my E is out of range (153 with it supposed to be under 130 and then 47 with it supposed to be under 39 given the units). I got the results back and my test was up to 800, E still the same (but much lower than when I was taking the designer steroid) but I didn’t really feel any different and although test was relatively high my libido is still kind of low for my age, even though performance has never been an issue. [/quote]

So you’re saying that before you cycled, you had a high libido. Then you cycled, came off, had high estrogen, now have lower estrogen, but still have relatively low libido?

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I haven’t had time to read all of the replies, but magnesium, zinc and flaxseed are supposed to help lower estrogen naturally.

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[quote]Explosiv wrote:

[quote]pumped340 wrote:
I recently had blood work done and was coming off an AI at the time. My natural T levels are around 400 and my E is out of range (153 with it supposed to be under 130 and then 47 with it supposed to be under 39 given the units). I got the results back and my test was up to 800, E still the same (but much lower than when I was taking the designer steroid) but I didn’t really feel any different and although test was relatively high my libido is still kind of low for my age, even though performance has never been an issue. [/quote]

So you’re saying that before you cycled, you had a high libido. Then you cycled, came off, had high estrogen, now have lower estrogen, but still have relatively low libido?[/quote]

No my libido now is the same as before as far as I can tell. My point is that before my cycle I feel like I was tired a lot and even though when I would be talking with a hot girl I would want to fuck her I wouldn’t have sex on my mind all that often and my drive to go out and find girls to get with was low (I would do it, but more just because I could lol). And how even though my test levels were recently up to 803 due to the AI I was just as tired and libido was the same.