I think you might have been more right with this then I gave you credit for. I mean the high e2 in the beginning didnt help with my enthusiasm for the gym and big lifts etc but it might have been more the nervous system burn out, that’s why I still wasnt feeling 100% even after getting e2 down. I’ve stopped taking pre workout and lowered the intensity of secondary lifts (3x10 instead of 3x5) and feeling pretty bloody good already mentally and physically.
I’ll give you a generous 2 months, since it might only be couple weeks, to post a triple with 200 kg.
I don’t think it is that big of a lift, but to suggest it is a lift one can get in a month or two of training is ridiculous unless you’re a freak.
Heavy squat yesterday was 175kg 2 reps 5 sets, 190 should be rather easy next 1rm work out, in 3.5 weeks time, hoping for closer to 200. On my first Test cycle in 20 years, which should help.
Not suggesting it comes with 2 months work, just noted that it is small lift for powerlifters especially heavier guys - and actually if you are 30 rather than 45 and are moderately strong and big while training for a 200k triple, it shouldn’t take years to get there (this is the pharma subforum btw, and this would apply particularly to enhanced lifters)
If you train while being afraid of heavy squats and generally free weights, as I see many people in the gym here in China a whole life working out might not be enough - it’s not a powerlifting scene - but than while one don’t find chinese olympic weightlifters in the local gyms around here, youtube has a few videos of smallish chinese lifters bursting through over 200kgs atg squats, really a shame they don’t seem to frequent and coach in the local gyms.
Just checked on a strength level website, not sure the link would be authorized.
@100k bw between 24 and 39 y old a triple @200k would be stronger than 86% of male lifters in the similar age group, according to their stats, so neither an easy lift nor a really difficult one, as I suspect most lifters don’t train specifically for a top 1 or 3rm.
Actually OP is worrying about how high E2 might affect his strength, and his training is consisting of heavy triples.
it has more to do with powerlifting than with how the bodybuilders you seem to follow do work out.
I’m very much interested btw about the following :
“I don’t think the test helps much with the nervous system, so I you are hitting 3RM every week on deadlifts / squats, that is going to catch up with you.”
Wonder others’ input about this, I got hurt when working low reps often since lifting again but it is a standard in many powerlifting programs. Westside has one lifting to his max twice a week, I followed a similar program @29 y o but it looks much harder now.
Thought Test would help but still wondering.
Why so argumentative all the time? Luissz if putting forward some numbers in regards to what was said previously, theres nothing wrong with that.
Yes dht is responsible for the nervous system though I doubt it is hindered much by the reduction in e2, going by the fact that I’ve always run with lower e2 and I’ve managed to put 30kg on my squat and deadlift and 15kg to my bench in 8 weeks as stated above. I’m not assuming anything, I’m going off my own experiences.
That very much depends on what your refer to as ideal levels. With the levels your talking about, clearly that isnt the case as you can see with the significant weight increase and the 20 pounds I’ve put on, granted some being water.
It’s not neccarily the right “level” it’s the right ratio that matters
Show me the studies and research and I’ll play ball.
Curious if someone will post that research. Last time i asked for that following fruitless online searches on the topic, the only feedback i got was “I paid a pro bodybuilder for his opinion. You won’t find info on google”
The opinion of one proBBer on the topic, while interesting if the story is true, isn’t exactly definitive science.
despite asking on a couple of forums and researching online, can’t say i found much information on the proper test/E2 ratio on cycle, and dunno what it should be, but I wouldn’t dare to let E2 go into the several hundreds as advised by some here ( the poster here mentioning the advice from the proBBer mentioned a ratio as low as 4, so with 2000 total test that would be E2@500). Test over 5000is common among juicers btw, i can recall several blood tests posted online with similar Test levels but none with the corresponding ultra high E2 (I don t read all blood tests posted either)
My point exactly, I’ve spent hours researching e2 and so far haven’t come up with anything stating what’s been said in this thread. I know what it feels like when my e2 rises and it isnt fun at all.
I think we agree it is not a crazy lift. The gym I work out in, it would probably be in the middle of the pack or below for male lifters, but we have had lifters hit 400+ kg in the 110 kg division.
I used to workout at a commercial gym, and I assure you it is a big lift there. I think I only saw 200 kg and over once or twice there. That gym had a lot more lifters, but a far fewer serious lifters who knew anything about lifting.
I have a feeling a lot of people on those strength level calculators put in higher numbers than what they can actually do, or put in higher numbers to see where they will fall once they hit them.
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DHT can make the nervous system a bit more efficient, but if you are lifting weights that are heavier now, so 90% and up of what your true max is, then you will still get the neurological impacts of those lifts.
In powerlifting, most enhanced lifters I know don’t just do maximal effort work. At most they do two days a week (one lower body, one upper body day) and either volume work, or dynamic effort work. This is a very general description of the Westside method.
One elite lifter I know (has squatted 903 lbs weighing 236 lbs and totaled 2000+ raw w/wraps) will take two weeks off before starting training after a meet to let his nervous system recover. I assure you he is juicing as much as possible, but still needs to manage his nervous system fatigue.
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Bumping that thread as I had kept it in mind, fwiw it took me until late September to reach 200*3reps, but I max out for singles, less for triples, had to stop 1month on the way because of sciatica.
Also in the meantime I moved country and to a powerlifting gym, guys there weigh mostly below 90kgs and compete drug tested and lots of them squat in the 200 to 260kgs range, deep as they are in IPF related federations.