Another point of view of the same study
Pittbull where have you been?
I dont smoke anything, but like seeing what other people have to say about it. From what I am seeing I am open to getting the mary jane illegality lifted. Just have the same laws that alcohol has currently. Other drugs still should be illegal.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]SHREDTODEATH wrote:
I’ll jump in here because i smoke like a chimney, I know I should quit but dont want to. That said I agree insurance should have other policies in place for smoke related illness. I also feel that their are many unhealthy activities people participate in without the bullshit criticism that smokers get daily. If I want to die via lung cancer then so be it. “but second hand smoke WILL kill me!” sure but all the chemicals thrown in the air daily by cars, industial equipment, and numerous other sources are fine no possible pulmonary risks there. I would just like to finish on behalf of my fellow smokers by saying chill out people dont like it dont do it ill be considerate and keep my distance.
/end rant/
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How easy is it for you to find ‘natural’ cigarettes. I used to be a smoker too, smoked nearly a pack of marlboro lights or mediums a day, I tried switching to american spirits, even though their tobacco quality is decent, they still made me nearly gag and feel sick when I smoked them as a replacement. I didn’t even get the same sort of satisfaction from this sort of cig, I got the nicotine but something ELSE was missing… Doesn’t this bug the shit out of you as a smoker? Knowing it’s not only the tobacco you are addicted to, but the other chemical compounds that company puts in it’s product, along with the tobacco you crave?
My question is how tobacco companies are allowed to laden their product, or whatever methods of curing they use which makes their finished product so dangerous compared to others, like say Africa.
If there’s a safer product/ version of tobacco out there then isn’t it’s the governments responsibility to keep us safe? I’m saying, screw the taxes, ban the overtly cancer causing additives and let people smoke the version from Africa, create the demand.
As it is with the ATF it’s not like we are allowed to grow and cure our own tobacco, government is part of the problem on this one too, as well as many conservatives who gain their fundraising money from old pop tobacco.
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A friend of mine is a trust fund kid. He maintains this fund by investing in companies and spending a prudent return from it. One part of his portfolio is tobacco. Before he invested though, he toured a facility to check out their process and gain a better understanding of it from the floor.
His understanding of their process is that the nicotine is extracted, modified, the added back to the tobacco which is then dried to a standard percentage of moisture content. The result is two fold. One- The nicotine in processed tobacco is essentially the equivalent of crack compared to unprocessed tobacco. Second, standard cigarettes burn much hotter and faster than those made from unprocessed tobacco.
There has been a big surge in roll your own, or RYO products. If you google up RYO supplies or Virginia tobacco, or virtually anything else related, you will get a gazillion hits for online retail outlets.
I’ve been rolling my own for quite a while. The tubes are two dollars a carton (200), 16 oz. of tobacco is about $9.00 (makes 2 cartons), so the total for 2 cartons comes to about $6.50 each. The catch is that it takes some time to roll up a pack or carton. About 10 minutes per pack. The difference in the cigarettes are major. They burn much slower and have a completely different taste. When people compare a regular brand smoke vs. the ryo, the general concensus is that the brand name has a vary strong chemical or medicine like taste. Having been a 1.5-2 pack a day smoker, I’m also now down to 14-18 per day.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Pittbull where have you been?
I dont smoke anything, but like seeing what other people have to say about it. From what I am seeing I am open to getting the mary jane illegality lifted. Just have the same laws that alcohol has currently. Other drugs still should be illegal. [/quote]
We agree about MJ but I also think the same about all drugs , we put people in prison for drugs then they go to prison and buy their drugs there . We are treating a medical condition with the judicial system
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]SHREDTODEATH wrote:
I’ll jump in here because i smoke like a chimney, I know I should quit but dont want to. That said I agree insurance should have other policies in place for smoke related illness. I also feel that their are many unhealthy activities people participate in without the bullshit criticism that smokers get daily. If I want to die via lung cancer then so be it. “but second hand smoke WILL kill me!” sure but all the chemicals thrown in the air daily by cars, industial equipment, and numerous other sources are fine no possible pulmonary risks there. I would just like to finish on behalf of my fellow smokers by saying chill out people dont like it dont do it ill be considerate and keep my distance.
/end rant/
[/quote]
How easy is it for you to find ‘natural’ cigarettes. I used to be a smoker too, smoked nearly a pack of marlboro lights or mediums a day, I tried switching to american spirits, even though their tobacco quality is decent, they still made me nearly gag and feel sick when I smoked them as a replacement. I didn’t even get the same sort of satisfaction from this sort of cig, I got the nicotine but something ELSE was missing… Doesn’t this bug the shit out of you as a smoker? Knowing it’s not only the tobacco you are addicted to, but the other chemical compounds that company puts in it’s product, along with the tobacco you crave?
My question is how tobacco companies are allowed to laden their product, or whatever methods of curing they use which makes their finished product so dangerous compared to others, like say Africa.
If there’s a safer product/ version of tobacco out there then isn’t it’s the governments responsibility to keep us safe? I’m saying, screw the taxes, ban the overtly cancer causing additives and let people smoke the version from Africa, create the demand.
As it is with the ATF it’s not like we are allowed to grow and cure our own tobacco, government is part of the problem on this one too, as well as many conservatives who gain their fundraising money from old pop tobacco.
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A friend of mine is a trust fund kid. He maintains this fund by investing in companies and spending a prudent return from it. One part of his portfolio is tobacco. Before he invested though, he toured a facility to check out their process and gain a better understanding of it from the floor.
His understanding of their process is that the nicotine is extracted, modified, the added back to the tobacco which is then dried to a standard percentage of moisture content. The result is two fold. One- The nicotine in processed tobacco is essentially the equivalent of crack compared to unprocessed tobacco. Second, standard cigarettes burn much hotter and faster than those made from unprocessed tobacco.
There has been a big surge in roll your own, or RYO products. If you google up RYO supplies or Virginia tobacco, or virtually anything else related, you will get a gazillion hits for online retail outlets.
I’ve been rolling my own for quite a while. The tubes are two dollars a carton (200), 16 oz. of tobacco is about $9.00 (makes 2 cartons), so the total for 2 cartons comes to about $6.50 each. The catch is that it takes some time to roll up a pack or carton. About 10 minutes per pack. The difference in the cigarettes are major. They burn much slower and have a completely different taste. When people compare a regular brand smoke vs. the ryo, the general concensus is that the brand name has a vary strong chemical or medicine like taste. Having been a 1.5-2 pack a day smoker, I’m also now down to 14-18 per day.
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Really interesting, I’ve seen and had bugler and some other loose roll your own tobacco, but I never once saw this stuff on any bases I was stationed at. The one time I did have a rolled Cig was with this bombshell I met in Australia, I got pulled aside by my Gunny and had to explain I was smoking tobacco haha, he didn’t believe it until my piss test came back clean…
But again, I wonder why the hell is it okay for big tobacco to basically make their product more addictive intentionally? It’s refinement and concentration, meth is made by refining and concentrating certain over the counter products, where the f is the ATF and the Government when it comes to big tobacco?
You ask me, the ATF seems to be an entity that enforces and looks out for the interest of big tobacco. What, they are allowed to concentrate tobacco that is more dangerous that what we could make on our own, yet they protect us from distilling our own alcohol since we can go blind haha. What a joke it is, selective at what it enforces in terms of concentration or distillation to protect us. They don’t want us distilling because we can go blind from bad alcohol, but they wont protect us from big tobacco’s products which are insanely addictive, rivaling heroine, un-naturally concentrated and refined and deadly. Yo, ATF! Un F yourselves!
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Pittbull where have you been?
I dont smoke anything, but like seeing what other people have to say about it. From what I am seeing I am open to getting the mary jane illegality lifted. Just have the same laws that alcohol has currently. Other drugs still should be illegal. [/quote]
We agree about MJ but I also think the same about all drugs , we put people in prison for drugs then they go to prison and buy their drugs there . We are treating a medical condition with the judicial system
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If there is a drug you can kill yourself or fry your brain with one dose then it should be illegal. This is just my opinion.
I had a friend in high school who tried some drug, he can not remember what it was, but he woke up in the hospital and has the intellegence of an ameba. He can not drive a car. I still see him riding his bicycle to and from work as a sacker at Kroger. He does not remember my name and I tell him daily and the next day he does not remember it.
I have a bit of a dumb question, sorry I have never been a smoker which is why I am not knowledgeable about this.
If you smoked pure tobacco, like those did back in the 1700’s in a pipe, is that as harmful as cigarettes of today ?
I have an honorary uncle who has been smoking from a pipe for 65 years, yes he has been smoking for 65 years and he is as healthy as a horse.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
If there is a drug you can kill yourself or fry your brain with one dose then it should be illegal. This is just my opinion.
I had a friend in high school who tried some drug, he can not remember what it was, but he woke up in the hospital and has the intellegence of an ameba. He can not drive a car. I still see him riding his bicycle to and from work as a sacker at Kroger. He does not remember my name and I tell him daily and the next day he does not remember it.
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Almost all drugs , you can over dose on , ironically the exception is Marijuana .
If you ever deal with the elderly at the end of their lives when they are in hospice . The Doctors often will discontinue their prescription drugs with the exception of pain management and the patient will remark to a great degree of their lucidity . Prescription drugs have to be the drugs most often abused even the ones prescribed by Doctors
this guy makes some of the best points of why the war on drugs in totally ineffective
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I have a bit of a dumb question, sorry I have never been a smoker which is why I am not knowledgeable about this.
If you smoked pure tobacco, like those did back in the 1700’s in a pipe, is that as harmful as cigarettes of today ?
I have an honorary uncle who has been smoking from a pipe for 65 years, yes he has been smoking for 65 years and he is as healthy as a horse. [/quote]
I don’t know , I do know back in the Clinton admin. the tobacco companies were found guilty of modifying and adding things to the tobacco to make it more addictive . I imagine today’s tobacco is different from 50 years ago
This wasn’t just “some drug”, this sounds like a substance that’s DENFINITELY not
what even a common street drug would do acutely…this guy did something
that’s WAY out there like maybe a surprisingly common industrial ingredient that triggered
something that permanently scrambled his brain.
I wish the best outcome possible.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I do know back in the Clinton admin.
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You sure it was not Reagan? That is a joke.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I do know back in the Clinton admin.
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You sure it was not Reagan? That is a joke.[/quote]
http://cgi.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/news/9608/21/tobacco.regulate/
[quote]Karado wrote:
This wasn’t just “some drug”, this sounds like a substance that’s DENFINITELY not
what even a common street drug would do acutely…this guy did something
that’s WAY out there like maybe a surprisingly common industrial ingredient that triggered
something that permanently scrambled his brain.
I wish the best outcome possible.[/quote]
I can personally understand why some drugs would be illegal but our present approach (WAR ON DRUGS) is putting the cart before the horse . The goal should be to help any one that wants to get off drugs that cause them problems . It should not be to make more problems for those people
Yeah I agree ‘Pitt’, I was just directly responding to the ‘dmaddox’ 11:41am post,
that vid you posted on the war on drugs from that former cop was one of the best I’ve ever seen of it’s kind
BTW…Good stuff.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I have a bit of a dumb question, sorry I have never been a smoker which is why I am not knowledgeable about this.
If you smoked pure tobacco, like those did back in the 1700’s in a pipe, is that as harmful as cigarettes of today ?
I have an honorary uncle who has been smoking from a pipe for 65 years, yes he has been smoking for 65 years and he is as healthy as a horse. [/quote]
I think that could be entirely possible, but also confounded by to many other things.
If he never established a high craving thresh hold or tolerance by using modified tobacco products then he probably never smoked so much and frequently for it to become chronically and terminally damaging to him.
But that is just me speculating. No science behind that what so ever.