Help with pop from sus and primo

Hi just started my sus primo cycle and the pip is unreal :flushed: lol any tips to reduce it will be greatly appreciated. I’m dreading pinning 2 ml of the Bayer primo tomorrow Cus I only did 1 ml on Sunday to test the waters.

85kg
5ft9
12-13% bf
Cycle number 10
Trt when off cycle

Sus 500mg week 1-16
Primo 300mg week 1-16
Anapolon 50mg Ed week 1-6

This is the cycle I’ve just started

Thanks :+1:t4:

Primo is known for being pippy. Some sources are better at brewing it than others.

Some people do better with a hot shower and massage first to loosen the muscle up. I’ve found that one of those theraguns helps a good bit for before and after for something really pippy.

How big is your needle? Length and gauge please.
Where did you inject?

Have you pinned ventroglutes yet?

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What are the concentrations of each of your compounds? Can you get some weak test cyp to “cut” it with?

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The pin is 0.6mm x 25mm or 23g x 1inch
The primo is Bayer 100mg per ml
And the sus is aspen with 30mg prop 60mg phenylprop 60mg iso 100mg deconate per ml

I only shoot in the glutes rotate every sun and Wednesday.

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It’s prob just the Prop in your Sus. The primo isn’t that high. I took primo once at 200mg/ml with very little PIP.

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Find cleaner product. Lower concentration. Smaller injections but spread them out.

Quoting a comment from a brewer’s thread elsewhere…

The vast majority of threads I found online from people > complaining about primo pup were just users taking “primo” not brewer’s taking what they make.

An example of that is…User orders primo, injects and says he gets pip because it’s primo…they don’t mention, know, or state what ratio of BA/BB is used, what carrier oil is used or what other solvents are incorporated into the solution…i.e ethyl oleate (E.O.) which is know to cause pip.
So all the lore/history behind it is from those unknown variables not being discussed…

Now the home brewers that make their own are the ones you have to look for, they have the knowledge/experience behind/with those unknown variables that aren’t discussed (Solvent Ratio, carrier oil, and the actual amount of hormone powder used)

Long story short…PRIMO ITSELF DOES NOT CAUSE PIP…ask your Brewer what was used in the making.

Seems likely that it’s either too much benzyl alcohol or ethyl oleate in the source’s brew. Same thing could be said of the test p, however.

EDIT

It could be Primo ace, which is known to be particularly painful compared to primo enthanate.

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All good points.

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Sorry, I realized I didn’t add much commentary.

Point wasn’t to just openly disagree with you, rather provide alternatives, as I know a few brewers/sources who have backed up claims of little to no primo PIP. It’s a common thing to happen, but mostly because of other solvents that are added, not the primo itself.

OP, try injecting the two separately and see which one the PIP is coming from.
also, you can heat up your vials a bit and that’s helped reduce PIP in others.

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I did exactly that yesterday pinned the primo and sus separately in the same glute a couple of inches apart. Left the primo out all night so it was at room temp and took my time injecting it. It was defo mixing with the sus that caused the pip. Thanks for the help guys. :+1:t4:

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