I’m looking for advice on doing my first blast while on trt. Everything I’ve read looks like I don’t need to do pct, but wanted others input. I was on DIY trt for like 6 months and then went to the doc and have been with his plan for about 4 months. So almost a year total
Current trt/hrt protocol
Test enanthate 250mg weekly. 2 shots, 125 each on Monday and Friday.
.5mg anastrozole 12 hrs after each shot
HCG 500 iu Monday and Friday
Sermorelin/GHRP2 nightly
1cc b12 weekly
Have tamoxifen on hand as well, but rarely take it unless noticing nipple sensitivity.
5’9” 172
8-10% body fat
Last labs had my trough test levels 7 days out at 650
Sermorelin has my igf1 at around 315
Solid training for almost a year, but inconsistent prior to that.
I’m wanting to blast 500mg test e weekly for like 12 weeks. Here are my questions…
- Do I need any specific pct or can I simply go back to my trt protocol?
- Will I need to up my anastrozole when I up the test e?
- Does anyone have experience with a “blast” or multiple daily doses of sermorelin/ghrp2?
- I’m pretty estrogen sensitive so I would like to error on the side of caution.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks!
If I understand correctly with the 250mg weekly (split 2 times every 3.5 days) you say you measure at 650 on the day before next injection? 500mg weekly will def give some gains however if what I read and summarized is true you may be dissapointed with the results. PCT isn’t needed when one is on TRT as the purpose of PCT is to get natty T, LH and FSH up and running again, with exogenous testosterone this problem is taken care of. If you are E2 sensitive you may very well need to up the anastrazole dose, I can’t give a specific dose though as it is trial and error for everyone as everyone responds to AI’s differently. As to blasting GHRP’s, I’m not sure, the long term effects of GHRP’s aren’t established in medical literature (then again, neither are the long term effects of high dose test and other AAS) Post your diet so we can help you on the nutrition side of things so you can make optimal gains during cycle (diet is super, super, super, SUPER important!), keep hematocrit monitered to make sure your blood doesn’t become too thick, if it does take a baby aspirin daily and donate blood.
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Thanks!
Yes. 650 day before next injection. The week prior to labs i shoot the full 250 mg in one shot to get an accurate 7 day out read on my levels. That’s what my doc wants me to do.
HCT was at the high end of normal so I’ll keep an eye on that.
I dirty bulked in the fall and wound up at 185 with a bit of a gut. Did keto for 8 weeks and cut to 170. Currently carb cycling. 5 low carb days @ 250G protein, >100g carbs and around 100 g of fat. I’m definately not as knowledgeable about nutrition as I hope to be eventually. Any advice there would be awesome. Then a couple of days with heavy carbs and not as much fat. I’m leaning up nicely.
My goal is to eventually make it to a very lean 185-90
Thanks!
If I’m reading this correctly you’re on a primarily low carb diet but you have two “re feed” days. Do you know what your TDEE is? You need to eat slightly over Maintence in order to gain weight (I say slightly as you want gains to be lean). I cant give you exact specifics or pointers on diet because I don’t know your body type, metabolism, how active you are on an average day etc, there’s too many variables. What I do know is that many people on low carb diets eat too much saturated fats and cholesterol, thereby increasing long term cardiovascular risk, so look out for that. How lean is very lean? Are we talking single digits bodyfat? Also hct being on high normal, what’s high normal? Like 50 percent give or take a few points. As to you being at 650 seven days post shot, your highest peak is probably around 1500, which isn’t that high for a peak I guess, I’d say you’ve got a solid doctor and a solid protocol. If you injected e3.5 days the peaks would be less and it seems this is exactly what you do. What is your SHBG out of curioisity
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Here’s a current pic from this morning. Just want to put on a bit more mass and loose a little more fat
Hct was 49.2 last labs. I really don’t know about my tdee. I do like 30 minutes of cardio 3-4 times a week. Moderate to vigorous intervals. Try to go 155 heart rate up to 165-70 and then back down to 155. I lift 6 days. Two push days, two pull days, two leg days. Reps in the 12-10 range. My job is pretty active too. I coach a trampoline and acrobatics team. I’d guess maintenance for me is maybe like 2500-2700. Used a calculator online and it says around 3200. I really do t know though.
Shbg was 17.2 on original labs before protocol. It wasn’t listed on my last labs. Not sure if the hcg would change that or not. Did hcg cause of atrophy and LH was nonexistent at <.2
BP is usually around 128/65
Estradiol was at 32
And yes my goals are to be under 8% at 185ish. Currently 8-10% at 172. I’ve made great progress aready though. Started my journey in August at 155 and around 15-18%
Let me know what you think about diet going forward
Can I ask why the Sermorelin nighttime dosage? I know that that’s the best protocol for overall recovery, but for muscle building/fat loss it would seem to be better to take it during the daytime when your body isn’t already releasing GH at its peak.
As for your blast, if you’re sensitive to e2 issues then I would up the anastrozole as soon as you start (rather than waiting to see if you start to see symptoms). You’ll probably have to play with the dosage a bit because it’s a moving target. If you can get blood work during the blast that’s good, but if not then trust what your body is telling you as far as side effects.
You look good, man. You’ve obviously put in the time at the gym and your diet can’t be too bad, considering how much you’ve accomplished in a short time. Keep up the good work.
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Doc told me is the short answer…sermorelin encourages the secretion of GH and is most effective when your already realeasing (while sleeping). The GHRP just boosts that release. I’ve been considering adding a dose in the morning as well because the release of GH is much shorter lived than if taking exogenous GH. I’ve heard that multiple sermorelin doses daily can be as effective as 7-8 iu GH.
Thoughts?
Despite the GH increase it helps me tremendously with quality of sleep. Feel like I’m in REM sleep much of the night and don’t wake up as often.
Yeah, I hear about the great sleep benefits of it and it angers me that I’m too cheap to spring for the $800/mo to just take it.
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I have mine done at a compounding pharmacy and it runs me about $200. Don’t know where you heard $800. That’s stupid expensive!!!
That was the price quoted by my doctor. Although now that I’m thinking about it that was the price of the other GH option he offered. Disregard. I’m evidently confused. That’s been happening a lot lately. Sure could use something to help me sleep better and recover…
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It’s been great for me. Really helped with sleep and overall body fat. Here are two pics both at 170.6. First is about to start sermorelin. Second is a few months later
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Looking good, man. Core looks nicely defined and the chest separation is pretty noticeable from picture one to picture two.
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Thanks man, going to the doc today to go over labs and make adjustments. I also want to try to deal with a small gyno lump behind my right nipple. Probably a little bigger than a pea. Totally unnoticeable to anyone other than me but would like to get it to go away. Anastrozole seems to have stopped it from getting any bigger since starting the 250 mg weekly protocol. Any experience with doing some sort of tapered dose of tamoxifen to deal with it. I read something about that and now seems like the thread is gone or I just can’t find it anymore. Let me know if you have any suggestions. Now to go into salesman mode to see if I can get the doc to up the test and anastrozole script!
I haven’t had that experience, but from everything that’s been written about the topic it appears as if you just hit it with Nolva or Clomid for a week and that should probably take care of it. I know some guys have used Letro for gyno, and it certainly works, but it’s a high risk venture.
Why do you say that? I’m curious. I ran Letro when I had some lumps and had no negative side effects.
Because the margin for dosing error is really narrow and you can crush e2 very easily. With UGL letro you never really know about the dose, either.
I went to the doc today. He said to run 20mg nolva for a few weeks ED. But said he honestly wouldn’t worry about the pea sized bump. It bugs me though. He was willing to bump my test e to 360mg weekly. Guess I’ll stay at 250 and stockpile until I have enough to do the 12 weeks at 500. Also gave me script for a ton of anastrozole and nolva so I can always have it on hand.
Ran everything through my insurance this time and it was awesome. The two 5ml 200mg/ml bottles of test ran only $15 total and the others were $6 each. Overall a good result I would say!
Thanks everyone who put in feedback. I appreciate it.
Ahh. I see.You’re right about knocking it back but that’s whats great about Letro. Takes the energy away from Gyno. Got rid of my lumps in about a week. I only use it for that. I use Adex for my standard E2 control.
Wow! A doc that prescribes nolva and adex. Do you realize how fortunate you are to have found him?
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You need to get your doctor a really nice Christmas present. Also, it is awesome that you run everything through insurance. I wish i could do that. It sounds like you’re in a really, really good situation.
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