Help with Cycle and Pct

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Stats:
25 yrs old
Training for 5 years
5’10" 190lbs 15%bf (est)

Resistance training 5 days a week. Dedicated cardio 3 days a week. Active everyday- basketball,soccer, hiking.

Diet is clean, though i do fold for a weekly ice cream cone. I live in Arizona, it’s 113 degrees here today. Thats my excuse.

First cycle using AAS. I dont want to gain much muscle size. I have very broad shoulders and high traps naturally. With my height (or lack thereof) if i put on TOO much more muscle I think I will look stocky. I want to drop BF. Getting to 10% is my goal . At the same time I do want to get stronger, without getting bulkier. Most of my lifts have pretty much plateaued.

I was considering an Anavar only cycle for the fat loss and strength gain properties, but all of my reading seems to indicate that T should be the base of any cycle. And saving my libido from the beating anavar would put on it is the main reason I’m adding the T. Any strength gains and some size from the T will be welcomed, but I am keeping the dose low to avoid getting too big, too quickly. Another reason for wanting to avoid too much T is that as a teenager/young adult I was prone to acne. An explosion of bacne isn’t worth extreme muscle gains to me, considering the amount of muscle i already have.

That all being said, here is what I’m considering…

10 week cycle
Test E 250mg/wk, weeks 1-10
Anavar 60mg/day, weeks 3-10
Arimidex .25mg/e2d, weeks 3-16

PCT-
Nolvadex 20mg/ed, weeks 12-14 and 10mg ed, weeks 15-16

I’ve read more than 100 threads on a cycle just like this and there are so many conflicting opinions on PCT. Some say to add Clomid with the Nolva at 50/50/40/40/40. Some say Nolvadex on its own. Some say HCG, some say its unnecessary. I accept the risk of sides on any cycle, but i’m willing to spend $ to avoid them as much as possible. Help me with the safest PCT please.

Thanks!

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I realize no one wants to answer a question that has been asked a hundred times already, and since I’ve made up my mind that this is the cycle i’m going to do maybe I can simplify my question…

Do I need an aggressive pct with such a low dose of test? Nolva or clomid, or both? Some people have even suggested that I need no pct at all on 250mg/week test. Pct is the only thing i’m unsure of here.

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your cycle is pish. Your test dose is too low.

I’m sure you think you’re being really sensible, and that by using such a small amount of test you’ll have nothing in the way of sides or shutdown.

You are wrong my friend, very wrong. Even a tiny amount of exogenous test will shut down your body’s natural production, so you’ll still be shutdown, and risk all the side effects associated with that.

Every time you shut down your HPTA you run the risk of it not coming back online, so to speak. This is a potential side effect of steroid use that you have to be comfortable with before cycling. The reason such a low dose of test as yours is not recommended is that there is no point in taking the risk of shutting down your natural test production for such a shite little dose that probably won’t even make you gain anything anyway.

Double your test dose, you’ll be glad you did.

Your PCT is weaksauce too. Just do the usual clomid at 50/50/50/50 or nolva at 40/40/20/20 or both.

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[quote]iammikewatts wrote:
Stats:
25 yrs old
Training for 5 years
5’10" 190lbs 15%bf (est)

Resistance training 5 days a week. Dedicated cardio 3 days a week. Active everyday- basketball,soccer, hiking.

Diet is clean, though i do fold for a weekly ice cream cone. I live in Arizona, it’s 113 degrees here today. Thats my excuse.

First cycle using AAS. I dont want to gain much muscle size. I have very broad shoulders and high traps naturally. With my height (or lack thereof) if i put on TOO much more muscle I think I will look stocky. I want to drop BF. Getting to 10% is my goal . At the same time I do want to get stronger, without getting bulkier. Most of my lifts have pretty much plateaued.

I was considering an Anavar only cycle for the fat loss and strength gain properties, but all of my reading seems to indicate that T should be the base of any cycle. And saving my libido from the beating anavar would put on it is the main reason I’m adding the T. Any strength gains and some size from the T will be welcomed, but I am keeping the dose low to avoid getting too big, too quickly. Another reason for wanting to avoid too much T is that as a teenager/young adult I was prone to acne. An explosion of bacne isn’t worth extreme muscle gains to me, considering the amount of muscle i already have.

That all being said, here is what I’m considering…

10 week cycle
Test E 250mg/wk, weeks 1-10
Anavar 60mg/day, weeks 3-10
Arimidex .25mg/e2d, weeks 3-16

PCT-
Nolvadex 20mg/ed, weeks 12-14 and 10mg ed, weeks 15-16

I’ve read more than 100 threads on a cycle just like this and there are so many conflicting opinions on PCT. Some say to add Clomid with the Nolva at 50/50/40/40/40. Some say Nolvadex on its own. Some say HCG, some say its unnecessary. I accept the risk of sides on any cycle, but i’m willing to spend $ to avoid them as much as possible. Help me with the safest PCT please.

Thanks!

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I’m honeslty stunned by the fact you don’t want to look big but will go on the juice. Btw…dunno if you know this but juice causes water retention… I mean, test will lower BF, but the water retention definitively shows my friend. I’m assuming you want to drop weight just to be more healthy, i respect that. I feel you don’t really give two shits if you’re the next cutler, totally feel you man. What’s you’re diet usually like? You have been training for a good amount of time. Age is good too. But yeah ^^ big mans right you have to focus on you’re risks ad rewards.

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Thanks a lot for the advice, and I have listened to it. Dropping the Var and upping the Test to 500 mg/wk. Running the test alone (but with adex and HCG of course). May consider adding var or winny to a future cycle. Want to see how I react to one compound at a time.

Everyone seems to say that there is not much difference between Cyp and Enan, though E seems to be by far the more popular choice. I cant get E from my guy right now, only C. Would it be worth contacting an offshore UGL reseller to get E? If there isn’t much difference I would prefer to avoid getting it shipped to my house from out of state/country when I can get C right down the street.

I’m not sure of the rules on commenting openly about sources here… Perhaps someone could PM me and I can ask their opinion of the couple different UGL’s i was thinking about ordering from.

Thanks much

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just run the cyp, there’s no difference.

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No source talk, period. Brings too much heat (and scammers)

Test C = Test E. Nearly identical, and certainly no reason to go out of your way to get one over the other.

You will retain a bit of water, but that will go away quickly after your cycle is over. The Adex will also help the bloat. I wouldn’t consider this a huge deal. If your goal is to lose bodyfat, make sure your diet is in order and it will happen.