From one cycle? Probably not going to happen. Also, the “shape” one has is somewhat genetic. A naturally thick/stocky guy is going to have a very difficult time acquiring the proportions seen in the photo you’ve posted.
Largely depends on genetics/lifestyle. I’d think for most 200mg/wk is probably the upper limit on what you’d want to run long term.
Depends on goals. The guy asking this is in a great shape, has good genetics and wants to look like top 1% of the population.
We are not talking health-trt for 70 year olds. We are talking - professional athlete level here, so SOME problems with that, i suppose, go under basic understanding.
When i say 250mg is ok, i dont mean that its ok for anti-aging for average person. I mean it for a professional athlete level who is blasting up to 10 times that amount most time of the year. And yes, there are risks and downsides but those just come together with this life.
What is safe for us, is not the same “safe” for other people.
For example, squatting with 220lbs is a light warmup. But for average person that could kill them 
looked up stanozolol and anavar real quick, is there a reason why you’d recommend both for cutting instead of just one? and kinda off topic but what’s your opinion on sustanon 250? is that something to take on top of test or instead of it? is it generally considered better/worse as far as risk/benefits go?
i recomend starting one and then switching… Stanazolol is very good and strong, but it is a lot more toxic, so you utilize it for 2-3 months and then switch to anavar, that :
1)Is not toxic
2)Gives a bit more extra dryness look. Stanazolol also does that, but anavar does it better.
You wont see as much if you start with Anavar, Anavar should be used to polish the last bits of a physique. So you start strong and then take off the toxicity and get that final dryness feel.
test is test… sustanon is just different esters of test in the same bottle… in europe, people only had sustanon, and when i read on forums 10 years back, i didnt even understant what is that enanthate nowdays its all available everywhere and i have used all of them and i see no difference so i stick to test-E… i just like to be as little complicated as possible so i dont like all the ester mixes… even tho i didnt feel any worse or better on them, my OCD just feels better on enanthate.
just pick any version of test, i dont think there is any real difference.
Do you find lifting heavy weights for high reps decreases agility/speed?
Back when I was into boxing (not for very long) there was almost a dogmatic stigma against weight training. The belief “lifting makes you slow” was omnipresent, though certain movements would be prioritised for low reps.
Movements like incline bench, shoulder press, power cleans and pull-ups coupled with explosive training (kettlebells, sprints, jumping rope etc) alongside aerobic conditioning were prioritised over squatting, deadlifting etc. Reps were typically kept low as to prioritise technique/bag work over lifting and to avoid burnout.
I never understood the dogma. Force = mass * acceleration. Weight classes matter, as does muscular endurance. But the heavier you are, the harder you can hit so long as you have the technique down pat.
Lifting weights itself may not help aside from explosive movements, though the mass gain accrued through weight lifting surely helps if you can maintain explosiveness/technique… Right?
Prior to my hernia fiasco I could almost deadlift 500lbs at a bw of 160, my bench wasn’t great through my 1rm was considerably higher than the 220lb warmup you speak of. With all of that said and done I still reckon 135lb unreal24278 who could barely bench 135 would kick my current day ass. He had superior endurance, agility and arguably better technique.
Just wondering as to whether squatting/deadlifting actually helps in combat sport. I get the feeling I could do all the squatting and deadlifting in the world and it still wouldn’t overpower someone with better technique, agility and explosive power.
What’s more, I think past unreal24278 could probably run faster/farther than I can now. This matters, as I firmly believe its better to avoid conflict by running away whenever possible; it’s never worth getting stabbed/pounded into a vegetable.
Interesting, I didn’t know this. I’ve never used stanozolol and probably never will, but I assumed it’d be the superior aesthetic as it is more potent in terms of eliciting anabolism and androgenicity.
Stanozolol appears to have an anecdotal reputation for inducing joint pain/tendon rupture through mechanisms unknown. For this alone I’ve never understood why athletes based in primarily anaerobic sports choose to take this.
No, definetly not. Of course, extra size and mass decreases speed, so 170lbs fighter will move faster than a 220lbs fighter, but in fighting BIGGER is always better if they have simmilar training anyway, because strenght and size also mean much stronger punches and kicks.
Yes, i come from ex-USSR state, so we have that oldschool russian shit here also, but that is very oldschool and slowly dying out.
I mean… look at Alistair Overeem in his prime in K1.
Yes, but to a point. I mean, any fighter should be able to deadlift twice his weight, but no more. Because training yourself to deadlift 3 times your bodyweight will take too much time and dedication with diminished returns.
For example - if a fighter is weak, training to squat 1,5 times his bodyweight is a good idea. But would he be better fighter if he squated 2 times his bodyweight? Probably no.
Strenght and muscle mass is always an advantage, but up to a point where it becomes too much effort to gain, because then fight training starts to suffer. If strenght would not matter, all the best kickboxers would not be 6’3 and 240lbs. But if strenght and size would be an advantage to infinity, all the strongmen would also be good fighters, but they are not.
Squatting and deadlifting alone - no. But strenght does matter. Haftor Bjornson recently tapped a BJJ black belt - twice, with absolutely NO skill at BJJ. Just because he is so heavy and strong he can actually tap people with any move, not an actual submission move.
Size and strenght is important if technique is simmilar.
Then again, in Krav Maga we always say that there is a HUGE difference in defending yourself against a 180lbs dude who pushes or punches you, or a 240lbs dude who does the same. All the techniques change.
In my experience it does increase strenght and pumps. Also gives a bit of a dryer look as it is androgenic.
All my joints have been broken and are bad, so i was afraid to take it. But i did 3 months of 60mg a day on the top of everything, and nothing felt worse as it always does.
Look up some of the shorter distance sprinting workouts. Some of the weights guys like Ben Johnson were moving were pretty insane. IIRC, he was squatting about 700, and benching 450 lbs at about 165-170 lbs. Dude looked pretty damn jacked.
It will make you slower for longer distance endurance events most likely though. Boxing is probably closer to long distance event compared to a sprint.
Relatively speaking, though it’s still primarily anaerobic in nature
For one rep? That’s not very much for smaller guys such as myself. I didn’t deadlift for 8 months or so last year following a layoff. Coming back I could still deadlift 2x BW right off the bat. I got to 3x BW, but following this surgery I’m now sure if I want to keep training for strength. I’ve been told due to genetic predisposition this won’t be my first op for hernia repair if I keep up with heavy squatting/deadlifting.
I don’t want to go through this again.
Yes… But say put him in the ring for kickboxing/MMA. I don’t think he’d last against say a 200lb explosive kickboxer unless he can somehow get in close and like… Jump on the guy.
I wonder whether sprinting has any carryover to squatting and deadlifting. Surely a track athlete (who hypothetically doesn’t lift) specialising in the 1-400 metre sprint getting into the squat rack for the first time would push a considerably heavier weight than an average untrained individual
Sustanon 250 IMO is difficult to calibrate. The variation of testosterone esters within the product equates to a hormonal rollercoaster unless one is willing to inject 3x+/wk.
What’s more, testosterone propionate is notoriously painful to inject (mechanism not particularly important), sustanon 250 contains 30mg test prop per 1ml. Some will have more difficulty than others, I myself vastly prefer testosterone enanthate. The pharmacokinetics dictate a more stable, steady release of testosterone and the PIP from sustanon 250 is (from my anecdotal experience) far more irritating than test E.
Test E/C should be inter-changable
I think it is more the type of person (genetically) who is really good at running a 40 or 100 m sprint, is generally going to respond well to weight training, not that sprint training is a big advantage for lifting. I think spending time in the squat rack will make one better at the 40, than say spending time doing the 40 would help with squats.
Another analogy would be competitive swimming and RELATIVE upper body strength. There was a top level competitive swimmer at one of the old schools I went to.
He didn’t lift weights and hardly performed dryland training to my knowledge. On a standardised fitness test he got up and cranked out like forty pull-ups.
There’s certainly a correlation there, genetics aside very few can pull off such a feat.
Yes, but i mean going from 0 to 2 bodyweights on DL will improve his strenght. Going up to 3x bodyweight would be more work than worth, if we talk fighting.
True, but i was using him as an example where size and strenght trumps technique.
There is also a good fighter - Mariusz Pudzianowsky, who is also an ex-legendary Strongman. He beat Butterbean who is a professional boxer just because of his strenght.
When I boxed I started a strength training program of heavy squats and deadlifts, and my punching power went way up as a result.
I could see not being worried about “glamour” muscles if you’re a boxer, but that leg-hip-back strength really helped out
Firstly well done so far, you have achieved a nice natty physique , so I guess you know what you are doing with the most important parts ( diet and workout )
about the " blast and cruise instead of PCT " , before you make that decision just remember that in some cases ( not always ) it was not possible for some guys to have offspring even after all the protocols have been implemented. I’m not trying to scare just to inform you. I don’t know your life priorities, but it’s important that you do. So in most cases it’s ok but sometimes people are not as lucky. There are some possible ways of preventing sterility but it’s a longer story…
In my opinion sustanon ( if real ) is not much better then Test E or Test C, almost the same.
About the AAS my opinion is that going solo Test is a great idea, since it’s your first no need to add boldenone you can just add it later since you are blasting and cruising. So just do the Test E ( C or Sust if you must ) and I would say 250 is too low for so many reasons, try 500mg / week and since it’s your first time you will see how your body reacts to steroids. In my opinion you do not need to include Arimidex immediately on that dose of test, but if you get too bloated, if you increase the dose, or add some other steroids then arimidex will come in handy
If you still want to keep your testicles alive I recommend HCG regularly ( 250iu 3x/w )
Also there’s a neat trick, you can ad Nolva from the beginning at 5 mg ED ( these last 2 things are just ways to prevent some glands and testicles from atrophying
About the model picture, well I personally don’t like it but I can say that blasting and cruising could get you to your goal better - because you are constantly on gear
I forgot - always do your tests before you start your cycle so that you would have a reference
so you’re saying take HCG AND nolvadex starting on my first test injections?
Yes, from the first week
if i do 2 75-125mg test E injections per week with 250iu of HCG 3x/week (maybe add nolvadex at same dosage?) + have some aromasin available just in case im good? i’ve read that HCG is gonna make my estrogen levels go up and force the use of an AI right from the start, can anyone confirm this?
Depends. That was never my experience but ymmv. The response is purely individual.
yea i suspected that, so best bet would be just start Test E injections with HCG to make sure my balls keep working and only start looking at adding other stuff if i start getting side effects huh?
Yes that sounds good. About HCG it should only stimulate the testicles to produce as much test as you can naturally, so it would not add too much estrogen to your already mild cycle