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[quote]Charged wrote:
He had to leave because they were trained bouncers, that had organised this and also had headsets for back up. The question was COULD a ufc hw take on 6 guys, well I and even Tom Lawlor say yes this is completely possible, I have provided stories from PROS not fucking wanna be scrawny boxers with no KO power.[/quote]

How is it that you are this retarded? You are either literally so lacking in intelligence that you do not understand the concept of random factors, or you are have a bad case of cognitive dissonance where you are trying to convince yourself that you are a badass capable of taking on multiple men because person happened to get away with it once.

People have also survived falling out of planes you fucking mong. Doesn’t mean I’m going to chance jumping out of a plane without a parachute.

My god you can’t seriously be this stupid.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]Charged wrote:
He had to leave because they were trained bouncers, that had organised this and also had headsets for back up. The question was COULD a ufc hw take on 6 guys, well I and even Tom Lawlor say yes this is completely possible, I have provided stories from PROS not fucking wanna be scrawny boxers with no KO power.[/quote]

How is it that you are this retarded? You are either literally so lacking in intelligence that you do not understand the concept of random factors, or you are have a bad case of cognitive dissonance where you are trying to convince yourself that you are a badass capable of taking on multiple men because person happened to get away with it once.

People have also survived falling out of planes you fucking mong. Doesn’t mean I’m going to chance jumping out of a plane without a parachute.

My god you can’t seriously be this stupid.[/quote]

The logic he presents is how people end up in incidents like the vid that prefaced this thread. By…being…stupid.

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The question was COULD a top hw take on 6 guys, I have proven it with facts coming from pro’s. You guys have proven it with…well… I don’t know really, a shitty street fight you once saw?

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[quote]Charged wrote:
The question was COULD a top hw take on 6 guys, I have proven it with facts coming from pro’s. You guys have proven it with…well… I don’t know really, a shitty street fight you once saw?[/quote]

Holy shit you are retarded. I was just being facetious before, but you really are retarded.

The question was exactly that, the answer everyone gave in this this thread was that it was possible but entirely unlikely. Somehow your retarded brain processed this as “it could never happen”. It’s possible that you could get a blowjob from Megan Fox, but it’s entirely unlikely since you’re mentally handicapped. Do you see the difference between “possible” and “unlikely” ?

Furthermore, you didn’t pony up any facts you dumb motherfucker. You provided anecdotes from fighters, which is the same as “shitty street fight you once saw” - anecdotal evidence.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]Charged wrote:
The question was COULD a top hw take on 6 guys, I have proven it with facts coming from pro’s. You guys have proven it with…well… I don’t know really, a shitty street fight you once saw?[/quote]

Holy shit you are retarded. I was just being facetious before, but you really are retarded.

The question was exactly that, the answer everyone gave in this this thread was that it was possible but entirely unlikely. Somehow your retarded brain processed this as “it could never happen”. It’s possible that you could get a blowjob from Megan Fox, but it’s entirely unlikely since you’re mentally handicapped. Do you see the difference between “possible” and “unlikely” ?

Furthermore, you didn’t pony up any facts you dumb motherfucker. You provided anecdotes from fighters, which is the same as “shitty street fight you once saw” - anecdotal evidence.[/quote]

Give me an mma fighter who has been beaten half to death and I’ll agree with you. The OP was specific in his question, could a mma fighter beat a group of AVERAGE dudes with no weapons, we even had UFC MW TOM FUCKING LAWLOR answer the question, yet you AVERAGE guys kept saying no.

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]Charged wrote:
The question was COULD a top hw take on 6 guys, I have proven it with facts coming from pro’s. You guys have proven it with…well… I don’t know really, a shitty street fight you once saw?[/quote]

Holy shit you are retarded. I was just being facetious before, but you really are retarded.

The question was exactly that, the answer everyone gave in this this thread was that it was possible but entirely unlikely. Somehow your retarded brain processed this as “it could never happen”. It’s possible that you could get a blowjob from Megan Fox, but it’s entirely unlikely since you’re mentally handicapped. Do you see the difference between “possible” and “unlikely” ?

Furthermore, you didn’t pony up any facts you dumb motherfucker. You provided anecdotes from fighters, which is the same as “shitty street fight you once saw” - anecdotal evidence.[/quote]

Give me an mma fighter who has been beaten half to death and I’ll agree with you. The OP was specific in his question, could a mma fighter beat a group of AVERAGE dudes with no weapons, we even had UFC MW TOM FUCKING LAWLOR answer the question, yet you AVERAGE guys kept saying no. [/quote]

Your BELOW AVERAGE intelligence can’t comprehend that nobody is saying it can’t happen…BUT that the chances of the UFC/MMA fighter are grossly overestimated in a 6 vs 1 situation. Being a UFC/MMA by default…is no guarantee…which is the defining factor in this debate. Most people in this thread are just against you retards living in fantasy land.

Also,an actual UFC fighter giving his OPINION on the matter doesn’t give any weight to anything substantial…unless he has been in type of situation. If that’s your bargaining chip…you’re dumber than most even realized already.

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

Give me an mma fighter who has been beaten half to death and I’ll agree with you. The OP was specific in his question, could a mma fighter beat a group of AVERAGE dudes with no weapons, we even had UFC MW TOM FUCKING LAWLOR answer the question, yet you AVERAGE guys kept saying no. [/quote]

Yeah, average guys. CQC instructors, bouncers, LEO defensive tactics instructors. You know, people who actually train to fight like this.

You know what? I’m done with you too. You can keep believing that being in the UFC gives someone mystical one hit knockout power that can chain-drop any number of dudes they want (despite most UFC “knockouts” being ref stoppage TKO’s, and on the ground to boot). There are people who believe that professional wrestling is real too.

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Wait, before i go gather some quotes of you monkeys saying it is impossible (not highly improbable) and then u added weapons and all sorts of shit to validate your weak point to begin with. Devildog_jim are you actually claiming to be a better fighter and street fighter than Alistair Overeem? you dumb mother fucker, you are not close at all, I know many bouncers and they don’t train full time, they are not full time fighters, they are basically wannabees.
And I think a UFC fighters opinion gives a tonne of weight to the situation because only he would know what it takes to get that far, NONE of you guys and I mean NON would ever have a chance in the UFC, EVER!

All the best, Dana.

LOL kidding, but seriously, you are retards! :smiley:

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]Charged wrote:
The question was COULD a top hw take on 6 guys, I have proven it with facts coming from pro’s. You guys have proven it with…well… I don’t know really, a shitty street fight you once saw?[/quote]

Holy shit you are retarded. I was just being facetious before, but you really are retarded.

The question was exactly that, the answer everyone gave in this this thread was that it was possible but entirely unlikely. Somehow your retarded brain processed this as “it could never happen”. It’s possible that you could get a blowjob from Megan Fox, but it’s entirely unlikely since you’re mentally handicapped. Do you see the difference between “possible” and “unlikely” ?

Furthermore, you didn’t pony up any facts you dumb motherfucker. You provided anecdotes from fighters, which is the same as “shitty street fight you once saw” - anecdotal evidence.[/quote]

Give me an mma fighter who has been beaten half to death and I’ll agree with you. The OP was specific in his question, could a mma fighter beat a group of AVERAGE dudes with no weapons, we even had UFC MW TOM FUCKING LAWLOR answer the question, yet you AVERAGE guys kept saying no. [/quote]

Your BELOW AVERAGE intelligence can’t comprehend that nobody is saying it can’t happen…BUT that the chances of the UFC/MMA fighter are grossly overestimated in a 6 vs 1 situation. Being a UFC/MMA by default…is no guarantee…which is the defining factor in this debate. Most people in this thread are just against you retards living in fantasy land.

Also,an actual UFC fighter giving his OPINION on the matter doesn’t give any weight to anything substantial…unless he has been in type of situation. If that’s your bargaining chip…you’re dumber than most even realized already. [/quote]
Yeah TOm Lawlor you live in a fucking fantasy land. You guys are worse than Sherdog. It’s like the UG is the only safe haven left for reasonably intelligent people. Shertards and Testeronetards are one in the same it seems.

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OK so this is off the first page, and remember you guys said its highly improbable right? well lets see…

AttemptingToFighIrish said 'Movies are movies. UFC fighter or not, three (or more guys) will fuck one person up badly. Movies are just movies
’
Then in the Tom Lawlor thread stated…'This came up on another thread Tom, and that’s why he’s asking.

Respectfully, I totally disagree. Six guys = end of life, and it’s generally acceptable for the one person to use any weapons he has, including deadly force, in reaction to it.

Hell, I’ll give the UFC guy a knife. Six guys still win.’

hm…That almost looks like you think its IMPOSSIBLE, not improbable.

Then the worlds best sales man (he trains people, i think hes desperate for more students as he mentions it in all of his posts, embarrassing ;/) devildog_jim said…
‘I’ve trained for and helped to train students to defend against multiple attackers. 3 instructors in a 3 minute drill usually spent a good 2:30 of it pounding the daylights out of the trainee. It never took more than 5 guys 3 minutes to “kill” a trainee, no matter how big a badass he was, and these trainees knew when they walked into the room that they were in a multiple attacker drill.’
Is that improbable talk?

And some other guy said…'Anyone with even a LITTLE EXPERIENCE,would know the only to win a SERIOUS attack, is weapons and backup. ’ Well then if they need back up or a weapon it does not fall under the question of 6v1, no weapon. There for making the situation void of the scenario that was proposed to us in the original post, therefore hinting (not hinting, blatantly saying) again that it is impossible.

But what do I know? I’m English and you guys use our language, and maybe you decided you use it in a secret American way that’s basically backwards? I don’t know. Fill me in LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYY nnnnJEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNSSSSS.

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]Charged wrote:
The question was COULD a top hw take on 6 guys, I have proven it with facts coming from pro’s. You guys have proven it with…well… I don’t know really, a shitty street fight you once saw?[/quote]

Holy shit you are retarded. I was just being facetious before, but you really are retarded.

The question was exactly that, the answer everyone gave in this this thread was that it was possible but entirely unlikely. Somehow your retarded brain processed this as “it could never happen”. It’s possible that you could get a blowjob from Megan Fox, but it’s entirely unlikely since you’re mentally handicapped. Do you see the difference between “possible” and “unlikely” ?

Furthermore, you didn’t pony up any facts you dumb motherfucker. You provided anecdotes from fighters, which is the same as “shitty street fight you once saw” - anecdotal evidence.[/quote]

Give me an mma fighter who has been beaten half to death and I’ll agree with you. The OP was specific in his question, could a mma fighter beat a group of AVERAGE dudes with no weapons, we even had UFC MW TOM FUCKING LAWLOR answer the question, yet you AVERAGE guys kept saying no. [/quote]

Your BELOW AVERAGE intelligence can’t comprehend that nobody is saying it can’t happen…BUT that the chances of the UFC/MMA fighter are grossly overestimated in a 6 vs 1 situation. Being a UFC/MMA by default…is no guarantee…which is the defining factor in this debate. Most people in this thread are just against you retards living in fantasy land.

Also,an actual UFC fighter giving his OPINION on the matter doesn’t give any weight to anything substantial…unless he has been in type of situation. If that’s your bargaining chip…you’re dumber than most even realized already. [/quote]
Yeah TOm Lawlor you live in a fucking fantasy land. You guys are worse than Sherdog. It’s like the UG is the only safe haven left for reasonably intelligent people. Shertards and Testeronetards are one in the same it seems.[/quote]

Dude, get the fuck off this forum.

The UG is full of idiots. I’d know, I read and post there daily. Very few people there actually have an educated opinion about anything.

This is not the UG. People with actual backgrounds post here. You and Charged decided to disregard all their arguments so that you can make your own (and may I say, both your arguments are extremely flimsy).

Also, Tom Lawlor can be wrong about something, and that is no dig on him at all. Him being a UFC fighter does not make him an authority about all things related to combat.

Anyway, welcome to my ignore list troll.

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I think the points have been made adequately enough that this illiterate nancy, whether its drew or sardines or charged or whomever, can be overlooked.

He’s a real bitch.

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So anyway are you saying it is possible or not?

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can we hear more about those guys
who are ‘trained bouncers’

is this like the guys who lifted weights for years in college and lift ‘properly’

and did drewdines turn this into a

‘calling u out’ irish thread

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I have a friend, 6’2" and a scary proposition with fast hands, good mobility and some moderately serious anger issues, who grew up in a seriously rough area. He remembers several multiple-opponent scenarios. In almost all of them the following things were true:

  • He was the biggest guy there, or of equal size to the biggest guy there
  • At least one person was armed
  • At least one person didn’t really want to fight
  • He was rescued by a friend

I should add that he had some martial arts experience and had been successful in competition. This is the OP’s hypothetical in miniture and the friend I’m talking about will show folks the scar where he instinctively blocked a knife he had not previously seen, which was aimed at his neck.

It’s worth noting that gangs are often formed initially for self-protection rather than for predatory reasons, and it’s quite rare for people with actual criminal ability to attack you for no reason. They might want money, it might be to do with politics but it’s unlikely to be random because the capacity for dangerous violence is a resource, not to be squandered. In most non- or semi-pro criminal gangs there is, an one poster has rightly pointed out, at least one person who likes to fight: this is often the local manipulative psychopath. Frequently there is also the ‘good leuitenant’ (I never have been able to spell that word) - his motivation is to do his duty by his unit without unnecessary trouble. But he will stomp you if you ‘make him’ - ie put him in a position where he must choose between you and his unit. Additionally there are any number of hangers on. They won’t ‘fight’ you, but if you go down they’ll stomp along gladly. It’s the crazy one and the ‘good loot’ whose job it is to actually hurt you enough that the rest can jump on you.

Note that none of this holds true for semi-pro to pro gangs.

From my own training experience: I’ve done multiple attacker drills and 2 attackers is just about manageable - meaning most people are decisively beaten only about 1/3 of the time. Any more is not manageable. Add to this the point that anybody who is willing to engage in an unprovoked violent attack is almost certainly armed with any one of a range of blunt, edged or pointy somewhat improvised weapons which might appear from nowhere - as in my friend’s experience related above - and you too might be hoping that your brother will show up and start laying about him with a plank of wood with a nail in it.

The appeal of the movie scene in which the sympathetic character disposes of dozens of contemptible thugs with relative ease is exactly its distance from reality: it’s a way to ‘experience’ by the proxy of entertainment a scenario we’re all scared of (all of us with enough sense to be scared) and get the outcome we wish was true, instead of the one that is true. The only way to get out of a situation like this is to determine the pace of the pre-fight encounter, seize control of the tempo of events and preemptively counter-attack with such a high level of force that it physically and psychologically overwhelms the attacking party, but as several other posters have pointed out, there are people around who come from where they make that shit and once you start escalating the level of force you have no control over how far it will go.

The responses from trainers who work with multiple-attacker scenarios have been educational, thanks.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I think the points have been made adequately enough that this illiterate nancy, whether its drew or sardines or charged or whomever, can be overlooked.

He’s a real bitch.[/quote]
Check the IP bitch I have no idea who charged is, and way to bitch out when I called you out. It’s typical though you did the same things years back.

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Great story Injurytime. However, the original question stated no weapons and a dominant mma heavyweight, neither were included in your story. Take care.

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[quote]Charged wrote:
OK so this is off the first page, and remember you guys said its highly improbable right? well lets see…

AttemptingToFighIrish said 'Movies are movies. UFC fighter or not, three (or more guys) will fuck one person up badly. Movies are just movies
’
Then in the Tom Lawlor thread stated…'This came up on another thread Tom, and that’s why he’s asking.

Respectfully, I totally disagree. Six guys = end of life, and it’s generally acceptable for the one person to use any weapons he has, including deadly force, in reaction to it.

Hell, I’ll give the UFC guy a knife. Six guys still win.’

hm…That almost looks like you think its IMPOSSIBLE, not improbable.

Then the worlds best sales man (he trains people, i think hes desperate for more students as he mentions it in all of his posts, embarrassing ;/) devildog_jim said…
‘I’ve trained for and helped to train students to defend against multiple attackers. 3 instructors in a 3 minute drill usually spent a good 2:30 of it pounding the daylights out of the trainee. It never took more than 5 guys 3 minutes to “kill” a trainee, no matter how big a badass he was, and these trainees knew when they walked into the room that they were in a multiple attacker drill.’
Is that improbable talk?

And some other guy said…'Anyone with even a LITTLE EXPERIENCE,would know the only to win a SERIOUS attack, is weapons and backup. ’ Well then if they need back up or a weapon it does not fall under the question of 6v1, no weapon. There for making the situation void of the scenario that was proposed to us in the original post, therefore hinting (not hinting, blatantly saying) again that it is impossible.

But what do I know? I’m English and you guys use our language, and maybe you decided you use it in a secret American way that’s basically backwards? I don’t know. Fill me in LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYY nnnnJEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNSSSSS.
[/quote]

You know…you could actual prove you have above average intelligence by learning to actually quote posts…instead of this garbled mess. At least we’d give you some credit for giving this an honest try.

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]Charged wrote:
The question was COULD a top hw take on 6 guys, I have proven it with facts coming from pro’s. You guys have proven it with…well… I don’t know really, a shitty street fight you once saw?[/quote]

Holy shit you are retarded. I was just being facetious before, but you really are retarded.

The question was exactly that, the answer everyone gave in this this thread was that it was possible but entirely unlikely. Somehow your retarded brain processed this as “it could never happen”. It’s possible that you could get a blowjob from Megan Fox, but it’s entirely unlikely since you’re mentally handicapped. Do you see the difference between “possible” and “unlikely” ?

Furthermore, you didn’t pony up any facts you dumb motherfucker. You provided anecdotes from fighters, which is the same as “shitty street fight you once saw” - anecdotal evidence.[/quote]

Give me an mma fighter who has been beaten half to death and I’ll agree with you. The OP was specific in his question, could a mma fighter beat a group of AVERAGE dudes with no weapons, we even had UFC MW TOM FUCKING LAWLOR answer the question, yet you AVERAGE guys kept saying no. [/quote]

Your BELOW AVERAGE intelligence can’t comprehend that nobody is saying it can’t happen…BUT that the chances of the UFC/MMA fighter are grossly overestimated in a 6 vs 1 situation. Being a UFC/MMA by default…is no guarantee…which is the defining factor in this debate. Most people in this thread are just against you retards living in fantasy land.

Also,an actual UFC fighter giving his OPINION on the matter doesn’t give any weight to anything substantial…unless he has been in type of situation. If that’s your bargaining chip…you’re dumber than most even realized already. [/quote]
Yeah TOm Lawlor you live in a fucking fantasy land. You guys are worse than Sherdog. It’s like the UG is the only safe haven left for reasonably intelligent people. Shertards and Testeronetards are one in the same it seems.[/quote]

Dude…you’re worse than a cat in heat on these forums. The fact that you feel the UG is a safe-haven for reasonably intelligent people…discredits anything else you have to say…which is never anything intelligent anyways. YOU never give us anything worthy of an attempt at intelligence.

And you make WAY too many assumptions about whether posters here are highly-skilled with their training…coaching…AND actual combat/competitiveness. The internet…in this instance…is your safe-haven.

Underestimated assumptions about people…get you fucked up. There’s a self-defense tip for ya.

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Never read an essay have you?