Heavy Metal Thread

[quote]wfifer wrote:
Go heavy, you’ve got it mixed up man. Do you have something against black people? This is a simple matter of history. Even country lists blues as one of its precursors. Blues originated with African slaves here in the US, and many elements of blues were taken directly from the music of Africa, including blue notes which you brought up for no apparent reason. But you’ll probably tell me that the Africans were listening to their radio down on the Niger River when they heard Hank Williams and were suddenly inspired to create the blues.

The “classic” in “classic rock” has nothing to do with classical music. You’re just making this shit up as you go along. It’s pretty obvious. [/quote]

Yeah I hate Black people! That’s why I married one.

Time for a lesson. And I hate teaching… and I bet you’re fairly intelligent. First of all country music gets its name from people wo came from European and African “countries” and brought their folk songs with them. Around the 17th Century. Back then it was just referred to as “folk music” which it basicly means the same thing. Jazz and Blues arrived around the turn of the 20th century and started in the southern states around New Orleans, LA. Jazz and Blues were formed in America the same way rock was. It all stems from old folk music that people brought with them from the native countries and passing it down generation after generation their “countries music”.

As for “classic rock”… once again you are dead wrong. Please get your head out of your ass so I don’t have to keep schooling you. Guitarist like Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page were classical guitarist like Estaban but turned rockers… creating the “classic rock” sound of the 70’s.

By the way. I’ve been a musician for 15 years. How many years have you been one? If you actually played an instrument, you might understand how music is formed.

For a timeline… This is all considered “Classical” and this lasts for hundreds of years, actually centuries Mr. Blues Man.

By the way “the Blues” or the pentatonic scale was created very recently on a musical timeline.

Mid 5th century to Mid 15th century (Middle ages)

  • Gregorian Chant, named after pope Gregory… I’m sure its in a book somewhere, look it up

Mid 15th Century to 17th Century (The Renaissance)

  • secular music

17th Century to Mid 18th Century (The Baroque Period)

  • orchestra
  • opera

Mid 18th to early 19th Century (The Modern Classical Period)

  • symphony
  • chamber music

Hope this helps your retention… you’ve seemed to misplaced yours and are in a losing battle with a musician.

[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
“hardcore & mainstream” C’MON! you guys are all so full of shit! not you personally dead_lifter5000, but the whole Label Society Douchebags who don’t know that their dicks are really just a pussy turned inside out… think about it (for those of you that don’t know anatomy and biology… you just said… huh?)

LAbels labels LaBeLs LABELS… its all the same shit and comes from the same roots.

First off all ‘real musicians’ know that all these knew genre were just created in the last 50 or 60 years compared to genre’s that lasted century’s and even for thousands of years. “Classical” is really all they had and some Gregorians and a baroque term to mix it up a little.

Some where along the lines “country” came and there you have it. Metal comes from Rock and both come from country.

Hell, if we were as pinheaded as these non-musicians who don’t even play an instrument, they just like labels and trends, we could create 50 more labels of music today just by the different rhythmic sounds we hear.

Music is music.

Kinda like Christianity. Basicly it was either a Catholic or a Jew back in the day. Then Martin Luther came alomg and fucked shit up and said “hey, I don’t want to be labled catholic, I wan’t to start my own fuckin’ religion” DUMBFUCK! so he did
…and he segregated from the Catholic church and started the protestant/Lutheran religion… whatever you want to label it and now you got 50 more disections of that goddam religion because of all the pinheads wanting to start new labels.

hold up… wait a sec, make that 52 new religions. Two new ones were just created as I was typing this thread.

I’m ruthless… I know, just go with it.[/quote]

I tend to agree, everyone wants to further label and segerated different bands, and the purist are a bit naive and repetitive in their annoying behavior. Rock music itself is a very new and quite bastardized and creole artform.

Damn Go Heavy Fool your wife looks good more pictures would settle the debate you won.

[quote]EmperialChina wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
“hardcore & mainstream” C’MON! you guys are all so full of shit! not you personally dead_lifter5000, but the whole Label Society Douchebags who don’t know that their dicks are really just a pussy turned inside out… think about it (for those of you that don’t know anatomy and biology… you just said… huh?)

LAbels labels LaBeLs LABELS… its all the same shit and comes from the same roots.

First off all ‘real musicians’ know that all these knew genre were just created in the last 50 or 60 years compared to genre’s that lasted century’s and even for thousands of years. “Classical” is really all they had and some Gregorians and a baroque term to mix it up a little.

Some where along the lines “country” came and there you have it. Metal comes from Rock and both come from country.

Hell, if we were as pinheaded as these non-musicians who don’t even play an instrument, they just like labels and trends, we could create 50 more labels of music today just by the different rhythmic sounds we hear.

Music is music.

Kinda like Christianity. Basicly it was either a Catholic or a Jew back in the day. Then Martin Luther came alomg and fucked shit up and said “hey, I don’t want to be labled catholic, I wan’t to start my own fuckin’ religion” DUMBFUCK! so he did
…and he segregated from the Catholic church and started the protestant/Lutheran religion… whatever you want to label it and now you got 50 more disections of that goddam religion because of all the pinheads wanting to start new labels.

hold up… wait a sec, make that 52 new religions. Two new ones were just created as I was typing this thread.

I’m ruthless… I know, just go with it.

I tend to agree, everyone wants to further label and segerated different bands, and the purist are a bit naive and repetitive in their annoying behavior. Rock music itself is a very new and quite bastardized and creole artform.

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YES Very New!

Even Country Blue-Grass, Blues, & Jazz has been relatively brand new on a time scale. There was nothing but Classical music for hundreds if years.

Its the 60 years since the Rock & Roll birth that music has exponetially labeled itself into catagories.

Rock is divided up into rediculous labels when its all the same thing and its just a baby on a musical time scale and to a musician like myself. Just because KoRn tunes down their guitars and plays with a different distortion pedal and a different power chord doesn’t exactly make it its own genre of music. That’s like dividing up Nike’s & Adidas’s when we all know they’re shoes.

Ask my grandfather… he’ll tell what it is. “That loud annoying garbage music” He wouldn’t know the difference between a grunge song and a death metal song. All he knows is he would turn it the hell off.

Three great metal bands no one’s mentioned:

Black Label Society
Down (their first album is just awesome)
Mastodon

I don’t think anyone has mentioned my favorites yet:

Pantera (RIP Dime)
Soil,
Coheed and Cambria,
The Screaming Jets (Aussie band, not stritly metal),
Mudvayne.

I hate metal.

Just kidding. Check out some of my other posts in threads about this. I pretty much like anything heavy. Old and new. I don’t discriminate, so long as it truly rocks.

Personally, GG Allin was entertaining and interesting to say the least. However, he was also a mentally unstable drug addict piece of shit. I find it hard to believe any one could take his views as words to live by.

Him shitting during performances and smearing it on his fans, shoving bananas up his ass and eating / throwing the pieces that fell out at fans… he was a true inspiration.

Let’s not forget about the prostitute / hot dog / urine episode… \m/ \m/

GG was right about 2 things and two things only:

1.) Elvis was and is the kind of rock.

2.) These new bands are weak.

Good conversation on Metal here people!

-One point on the “sub-genras”(sp) though: Once you learn the stylistic differences of the different types of “metal”, the sub-classifying really helps with new music purchases and/or discussing bands even if you’ve never actually heard them before.

-I think that sub-classifying is a good thing for that reason.

-Although, it can get semantically difficult when discussing “hardcore” bands.

[quote]Blood is Metal wrote:
I hate metal.

Just kidding. Check out some of my other posts in threads about this. I pretty much like anything heavy. Old and new. I don’t discriminate, so long as it truly rocks.

Personally, GG Allin was entertaining and interesting to say the least. However, he was also a mentally unstable drug addict piece of shit. I find it hard to believe any one could take his views as words to live by.

Him shitting during performances and smearing it on his fans, shoving bananas up his ass and eating / throwing the pieces that fell out at fans… he was a true inspiration.

Let’s not forget about the prostitute / hot dog / urine episode… \m/ \m/[/quote]

GG Allin musically…horrible.

I think the shock and “oh look how bad this person is” runs rampant in the metal scene and grows tired.

[quote]danmaftei wrote:
Opeth is one of my favorite bands ever, and remains a big favorite despite not liking much metal anymore because their music, whether heavy or not, is so godamn melodic and beautiful, all of it.

It’s the same reason I still listen to Metallica. Most melodic death/doom metal is just too lethargic and dreary, although, as the genre implies, is melodic, but Opeth do it perfectly.

They’re the perfect blend of death, doom, progressive, and old school heavy metal, with Mikael’s AMAZING voice. He is hands down the most versatile metal singer, whose normal singing voice rivals that of many non-metal singers, and whose growl is one of the best in all of metal.[/quote]

Opeth is right up there in my category of favorites as well.

Atheist (no longer together) is also good if you like highly technical thrash metal. Relapse Records, who has re-issued the Atheist albums, says this about Atheist:

“An undisputed classic and benchmark of technical metal brilliance.” Atheist is referred to by some as “jazz/metal fusion.”

Any melodic/symphonic metal from Norway or Finland is also very good. The Norwegian band Extol is in my opinion the most brutal and technical metal out there. The albums Burial and Undeceived are the most brutal. The album Synergy (Century Media debut I think) is not brutal like the previous two, but is more technical in the area of guitar, time signature changes and the like. Synergy is more thrash metal, while the aforementioned two albums are more death metal. Their newest album (Blueprint Dives) is minus Ole Borud, which means that the Extol that once was, now is not.

By the way, I am not a musician, nor do I know that much about music. But I do have a close friend who is a classically-trained musician who has studied advanced music theory. I’m thinking that is supposed to make him qualified to make assessments about music. Although, it certainly wouldn’t take someone with his training to make assessments.

Anyways, he wrote to me recently about a band whose video he had seen on “Headbangers Ball”. And the hearing of this band prompted him to buy all three of their albums. The third (and newest) album is his favorite:

==I just listened to all of Demon Hunter’s first album, and I really like it a lot! I’ll have to listen to the 2nd one
again, but I think I like the 1st one better than the 2nd one, although
they’re ALL good. Man, this is one excellent band! They’re WAY up there on
my favorites list. They might even be second to Opeth among currently-existing bands (although I’d have to think about all the currently-existing bands before I made a definite statement like that). The rough vocals are just brutal, and the melodic vocals have very unique
harmonies, inflections, and progressions. Cool!==

My comment now:

I’ll admit that I do tend to listen to someone who is actually a musician–or who really knows the really technical aspects of it–more than someone like myself. My classically-trained friend puts Opeth as his favorite. Mikael Akerfeldt’s voice, he says, is probably the best out there. He also likes the singing voices of guys like Draiman (Disturbed; Ten Thousand Fists album specifically) and Hetfield (Metallica).

I, as a lifelong metal head, dislike all the labels that are going into music these days, especially when we talk about Hardcore bands.

For example, I have a buddy who loves his punk. One day we were talking music, and i start in about Hatebreed, Terror, and Throwdown, all bands that i would consider to be Hardcore Metal. He tells me that i’m wrong and that those are all hardcore punk bands, well at least the last two.

I don’t understand this. Musically, it sounds metal, even thrash metal, with a metal singer. so how do you make hardcore punk out of that? I don’t get the labeling thing.

Anyway, after that boring story and my world views, here are some of my favorites;

The obvious ones, Metallica, Slayer, Pantera, Megadeth

Lamb of God, Hatebreed, BLS, Testament, Chimaira

Beowulf: Thanks for the good input. I really like Terror. You can see the difference between the two here: listen to terror, then listen to Lamb of God. Both good bands, but there is definately a punk beat coming from terror, where as the metal riffs are from LOG.

For the others:

Hardcore was spawned from punk. Metalcore spawned from punk and metal. There is a good metal core band called August Burns Red.
I like horrorcore, and grindcore and gorecore specifically. Esp when working out. This is an aweomse horrorcore band called Summer’s End:

If you are into goregrind/grindcore, listen to this:

Saw Dillinger one time, their singer/screamer is hyoouge. This kid kept trying to scream into the mic, so the lead singer grabbed the kid by the shirt, lifted him onto stage, and just blasted his ears off. Check this video out, he is pretty damn jacked!

Keep the opinions coming, it makes for a good discussion.

[quote]DQuinlan wrote:
I don’t think anyone has mentioned my favorites yet:

Pantera (RIP Dime)
Soil,
Coheed and Cambria,
The Screaming Jets (Aussie band, not stritly metal),
Mudvayne.

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You are going to be hard pressed to convince me coheed and cambria is anywhere near metal.

[quote]dead_lifter5000 wrote:
Beowulf: Thanks for the good input. I really like Terror. You can see the difference between the two here: listen to terror, then listen to Lamb of God. Both good bands, but there is definately a punk beat coming from terror, where as the metal riffs are from LOG.

For the others:

Hardcore was spawned from punk. Metalcore spawned from punk and metal. There is a good metal core band called August Burns Red.
I like horrorcore, and grindcore and gorecore specifically. Esp when working out. This is an aweomse horrorcore band called Summer’s End:

If you are into goregrind/grindcore, listen to this:

Saw Dillinger one time, their singer/screamer is hyoouge. This kid kept trying to scream into the mic, so the lead singer grabbed the kid by the shirt, lifted him onto stage, and just blasted his ears off. Check this video out, he is pretty damn jacked!

Keep the opinions coming, it makes for a good discussion. [/quote]

If you like the horror stuff, check out Corn on Macabre, its got members of Darkets Hour and Pg99 I think.

…this thread turned sour quickly. That people actually like to limit themselves to one kind of music baffles me still. Metal is about 3 or 4 rather ugly guys making kick-ass music, Pestilence: - YouTube

…like this, Gorefest: - YouTube

…probably the ugliest fuckers around, Napalm Death: - YouTube

…these ones sounded like they meant it, Morbid Angel: - YouTube

…wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, Leeway: - YouTube

…can’t believe this one, i was there! Sacred Reich at Dynamo: - YouTube

…15 years on, this is what i love today: - YouTube

(-:

[quote]ExNole wrote:
DQuinlan wrote:
I don’t think anyone has mentioned my favorites yet:

Pantera (RIP Dime)
Soil,
Coheed and Cambria,
The Screaming Jets (Aussie band, not stritly metal),
Mudvayne.

You are going to be hard pressed to convince me coheed and cambria is anywhere near metal.[/quote]

i agree…my little brother listens to all that new punk “hardcore” shit and most of it sounds like somebody has the lead singers nuts in a vice.as for what is always in my mp3 player in the gym:

Slipknot (try listening to Surfacing and tell me you dont feel like either ripping someones head off or throwing some weights around)

System of a Down (the older stuff)

Killswitch Engage (mostly the older stuff with the first lead vocalist)

Hatebreed (if these lyrics dont get you going i dont know what will, download one of the newer songs:To the Threshold)

40 Below Summer (they arent to recognized but they have great lyrics and get the blood flowing)

I’m suprised i haven’t heard Mastodon mentioned a whole lot more. There new cd is crazy good!

[quote]john w wrote:
not sure if you can call this heavy metal but some of my favorite lifting songs are:

We Die Young by Alice in Chains
Rooster by AIC
Again by AIC
Quiet by the Smashing Pumpkins
Spoonman by Soundgarden
Enemy by Sevendust
Praise by Sevendust

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This is not METAL. Just rock.

Slayer, Pantera, now that’s METAL.