Heard of Gosnell the Butcher?

[quote]JEATON wrote:
All BS aside
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By “all BS,” do you mean all of the stupid, petty, bitter nonsense that you tossed around like a feces-throwing Rhesus Macaque over the course of the sprawling ass-beating that everybody agrees you just took (and by took, I mean taunted me into giving you)?

Seriously, though, regarding the rest of this post I quoted: your problem, as I’ve shown you again and again and again ad nauseum, is that there hasn’t been a sweeping “lack of coverage,” and you should understand by now that saying things that aren’t true is kind of something that can become embarrassing for you. Now, the networks have apparently been ignoring this trial on air: that’s something. I doubt they ignored the Casey Anthony trial, and so Breitbart has a point there on that one very fucking narrow premise. Which is why, again, I said in my first post of this thread that newspapers are far more trustworthy than TV news.

However, to claim, as both you and the article you linked to in the OP have, that there has been “absolutely zero mainstream coverage” or some kind of sweeping media blackout–that is not true. Please read that last sentence again, slowly:

[i]Not…

true.[/i]

Remember that stupid little post you wrote in which you referenced “the New York Slimes” and a couple other big-name papers in a way which might possibly have been funny to a preteen but certainly did nothing other than make you look like an idiot here where the average sense of humor is at least high-school level? The funny thing about that is that the people who read those papers–people who, you know, read actual news–learned about Kermit Gosnell two years before you did. They knew his name and they knew what crimes he was accused of. They knew the details of the gruesome murders, what charges he’s facing, what the sentence might be. They knew when the trial opened, and they’re going to know what verdict comes back after it’s over.

This is what everybody is trying to get you to wrap your calcified mind around: it’s not a fucking media blackout when everybody who has the ability to read and to type “nytimes.com” can find out all about it. It’s not a media blackout when a website that gets 29 million unique visitors per month has run more than a dozen stories on it.

Good God.

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
Correction: not Reuters from a few days ago, AP from a few days ago.

Anyway, I think that this has been pretty much settled, no?[/quote]

You settled this seven posts into this thread. The rest is just a lot of very entertaining reiterating and expanding of your evidence.[/quote]

Mighty kind of you to say. I’m glad it’s been entertaining, because it certainly hasn’t been very productive.

So, in the aftermath of this fantastic mess, I feel compelled to go on record with the following: the aggressiveness and, more importantly, the arrogance that permeated my posts in this thread were very context-specific. I am the last person who’d ever compliment my own intelligence or ability in all save for the most extreme circumstances, and I have contempt for nobody whose opinions are proffered in good faith and with decency. Also, despite the style and substance of my recent posts, I dislike insulting people and using unnecessarily coarse language, and will try in the future as I have in the past to refrain from both of those vices.

JEATON, I came to this thread after you taunted me, and I offered my honest opinion of the matter at hand. I also refuted your central argument about a sweeping media blackout and “absolutely zero media coverage.” In support of these two claims–one an opinion born of reasoned consideration of the evidence, the other a rebuttal of your argument–I offered hundreds of examples, despite the fact that a single article in The New York Times or The Washington Post or from the AP Wire would have been entirely sufficient to rebut your claim of “absolutely zero media coverage.”

In other words, the two claims I offered at the outset of this thread–disagreement over which has constituted the entirety of our argument over the course of the past few days–have enjoyed the luxury of both irrefutable, overwhelming evidential support and, relatedly, the unequivocal approval of a number of intelligent posters who saw fit to weigh in.

In response to this, you lobbed insults–“fucking moron” and “pinhead,” if I’m not mistaken–and, unable to make valid, sound, and substantial arguments, were reduced to nitpicking minutia at the argument’s penumbra–e.g., L.A. Times subsidiaries and the chronological order of New York Times stories. None of this made so much as a slight dent in the iron foundation of my argument, which, put very simply, went like this: consumers of “mainstream liberal” media–print media in particular–have been adequately informed of Gosnell’s crimes and trial in a timely and comprehensive fashion. A reader of the New York Times, for example, learned of this horrible story two years before you did, and has been informed of every one of its major developments, from the arrest to the open of the trial.

I do not contend that every outlet has covered it with equal assiduousness, and I understand perfectly that subjective consideration of an individual newspaper’s coverage might yield the valid opinion that the arrest and trial deserved more than they received. But the salient objective truth is this: Gosnell has been covered by everybody from the New York Times to the Wall Street Journal to the Washington Post to AP and Reuters to the L.A. Times and even to the Huffington Post, which, despite being a manifestly partisan liberal publication, has run what appear to be literally hundreds of Kermit Gosnell stories, beginning in 2010 and recurring with relative frequency ever since (I’ve found stories dated 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013, for the record). These pieces touched on the phenomenon’s major news developments and omitted nothing unsavory, despite the fact that many of the editorial boards of these publications are either avowedly or presumably in favor of abortion’s legality.

The emboldened portion of that last paragraph has been sourced, and sourced, and sourced again. It is true beyond any doubt whatsoever. And it vindicates me: it proves unequivocally that I was exactly correct when I said that “it’s been in the major newspapers for two years,” and it likewise proves that I was exactly correct when I said that your “absolutely zero mainstream coverage” claim was utter nonsense.

I’ve spent too much time writing and thinking about this ridiculous piffle already, so I’ll simply close with this: [i]If I tauntingly called another man out after having already displayed toward him an odd and unwarranted bitter animosity, and then that man showed up, engaged me on the substance at hand, and utterly decimated my arguments in an embarrassingly systematic and public way, I sincerely believe that I would consider it my duty as a man to own my defeat and explicitly yield to him. At the very least, I would acknowledge the inarguable fact that I had been wrong, and I would probably feel pretty goddamn stupid about having invited a fight and begun a venomous (and admittedly bilateral) exchange of insults with someone who was entirely and provably correct in every sense of the term.[/i]

And that just about does it.

…nothing?

You were so eager to enter into a discussion with me on the first page. You had your popcorn ready and everything.

smh23, I’d just let this thread die. We can only laugh so much at JEATON’s unbending bias. Anyway reading this can clearly see you made your point and I don’t think anyone blames you for getting a bit worked up at times. It happens to us all.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
smh23, I’d just let this thread die. We can only laugh so much at JEATON’s unbending bias. Anyway reading this can clearly see you made your point and I don’t think anyone blames you for getting a bit worked up at times. It happens to us all.
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Good point. And fair enough.

I do simply want him to respond. The kind of guy that backs an argument up with that much venom and then simply backs out after its resolution…I did not peg even him for that kind of guy. Also, as I’ve said, this isn’t a first for this.

But you are correct. Back to being relatively civil for me.

[quote]smh23 wrote:
Back to being relatively civil for me.[/quote]

Does anyone around here know your email address?

I assume PM’s are still down otherwise would ask through there.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
Back to being relatively civil for me.[/quote]

Does anyone around here know your email address?

I assume PM’s are still down otherwise would ask through there. [/quote]

Edited.

To be honest I haven’t taken the time to determine who may be right or wrong in this thread. I just have to say how unpleasant it is watching people personally pound each other like this. I’m not taking sides there either.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
To be honest I haven’t taken the time to determine who may be right or wrong in this thread. I just have to say how unpleasant it is watching people personally pound each other like this. I’m not taking sides there either.[/quote]

Yes, it was a mess.

Thanks for the impartiality, Tiribulus. Not really looking for someone to help me relight this fire.

I have reread it from the beginning and am still convinced that I made my case. However, as is often the case when SMH and I lock horns there always seems to be plenty of evidence that we are arguing very close parallel topics instead of the same topic.

I will put this out for everyone on the board. When I started here over ten years ago, I was overly cordial to everyone. Careful not to misinterpret an others viewpoint or read more into it than there was. Almost too nice.

Then a few years ago we had a rash of new members that took a hard stance on everything. Rude, disrespectful, even hateful. Posting became less fun and the topics less enjoyable and I faded out for a while. At this time I started from time to time to give as good as was given, and eventually I just really seamed to take on a persona while posting hearer that was no longer me and no longer for kicks or fun but simple bad habit. As SMH said, pretty much an asshole.

In the end, SMH, while I still believe myself to be right on much of my argument, I was way off in the manor and tone in which I came ate you. You and I have been quick to look for chinks in each other s armor, but I went way overboard with the name calling. I am sorry for that and am committed to putting that nonsense behind me. I often forget that many of you guys are young enough to be my sons, and as a father I wold never want someone to speak in that way to one of mine.

Oh, and Tiribulus, I did email you several days ago, but not sure if I remembered you email correctly.

Oh, and I tend to work 60 plus hours weeks, so I get scarce during the week and more active usually during the weekend.

[quote]JEATON wrote:
In the end, SMH, while I still believe myself to be right on much of my argument, I was way off in the manor and tone in which I came ate you. You and I have been quick to look for chinks in each other s armor, but I went way overboard with the name calling. I am sorry for that and am committed to putting that nonsense behind me. I often forget that many of you guys are young enough to be my sons, and as a father I wold never want someone to speak in that way to one of mine.
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I’ve said everything I could possibly say with regard to the substance of the argument, and retract none of it. That said, I too went way overboard in the name-calling, and will hereafter bear you no ill will.

Also, for the record, I do believe that any network news program that gave time to Casey Anthony and not to Kermit Gosnell is in the wrong.

NYT’s page A17 story calls Gosnell’s alleged victims “fetuses.” http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/19/us/philadelphia-abortion-doctors-murder-trial-opens.html

I did not get it and just saw this.