[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
I don’t like it when politicians use taxpayers dollars to waste on a murderous military [/quote]
You ungrateful bastard
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I own and run a subchapter S small business. Especially in the middle of a recession and radically reduced business volume this bill will hurt me and my employees. [/quote]
Do you offer health care to your employees?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
John S. wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
John S. wrote:
I am currently working there while going to school and let me tell you it’s not its all cracked up to be.
No job is supposed to be “all its cracked up to be” while you’re going to school. That’s why you’re going to school.
I am not saying it should be. But you tried saying they don’t treat them like shit and that is where I stopped you. You where trying to make it sound like it was a good place when its not.
I am going to school because the military will not let me back in.
IT’S FUCKING WAL-MART MAN!
I’m not saying that it’s like working for a damn Fortune-500 company, but as far as shitty jobs go, it’s not the worst of them. Believe me, I’ve worked some shit ones in my time.
And no one’s got a gun to your head to stay there. Go find somewhere else to work.
You sound like an optimistic, up beat guy, I’m sure people are knocking your door down to give you jobs.
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To me money’s money. I personally don’t mind my job because well I enjoy laughing at the assholes. But I am supposed to have a 7 man crew to unload the truck. There are 4-5 of us right now. In the past 6 months we have went through 12 people. The problem is those 12 people are the only people that applied for the job. In my town there are no jobs anywhere accept wal-mart and they do treat people so bad most choose to go without then be there. Now I will be honest most are 18 years old and don’t plan well for the future. We have people leaving us to go work for Mcdonalds and reporting they like it better. But as you said it is fucking wal-mart its a joke.
But back on topic
My point is this really. If wal-mart is forced to start paying for everyone to have health insurance a lot of the part time people will get let go. In a small town like mine that will really harm it.
[quote]John S. wrote:
In a small town like mine that will really harm it.[/quote]
Don’t even start with that, Wal-Mart moving to small towns destroys communities and makes empty main streets.
[quote]Therizza wrote:
John S. wrote:
In a small town like mine that will really harm it.
Don’t even start with that, Wal-Mart moving to small towns destroys communities and makes empty main streets.
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Family business are doing fine here, well about as fine as can be expected in this economy. You will quickly find its not the Evil wal-mart running these people out of business its the shoppers who choose to go to walmart. My town is a College town and yes we do have a fair bit of people that only buy local because of that but not enough to make a big difference.
[quote]John S. wrote:
To me money’s money. I personally don’t mind my job because well I enjoy laughing at the assholes. But I am supposed to have a 7 man crew to unload the truck. There are 4-5 of us right now. In the past 6 months we have went through 12 people. The problem is those 12 people are the only people that applied for the job. In my town there are no jobs anywhere accept wal-mart and they do treat people so bad most choose to go without then be there. Now I will be honest most are 18 years old and don’t plan well for the future. We have people leaving us to go work for Mcdonalds and reporting they like it better. But as you said it is fucking wal-mart its a joke.
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If there’s no jobs in your town, why is it still “your town?” Move outta the shithole. Unless you like dead end jobs, I guess.
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My point is this really. If wal-mart is forced to start paying for everyone to have health insurance a lot of the part time people will get let go. In a small town like mine that will really harm it.[/quote]
You just said that the part time people suck and don’t work anyway, so what are you worried about?
Fair enough
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
John S. wrote:
If there’s no jobs in your town, why is it still “your town?” Move outta the shithole. Unless you like dead end jobs, I guess.
You just said that the part time people suck and don’t work anyway, so what are you worried about?[/quote]
It’s my town because I grew up here. If you remember I said I am a student so I stay here till I get a degree then I go on to another school then I go get a good job.
For the part I work, Yes most of them do suck. For the other parts they actually do a good job.
It’s not like this is some crap shack town, infact far from it. If you have a college degree there is still a lot you can do around the town but if not your pretty much shit out of luck. I should also mention that I was mistaken and that wal-mart is on a hiring freeze so pretty much my towns on a hiring freeze.
[quote]John S. wrote:
It’s my town because I grew up here. If you remember I said I am a student so I stay here till I get a degree then I go on to another school then I go get a good job.
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So then Wal-Mart is serving your purpose that you need right now- a paycheck. Soon, you ain’t gonna believed you ever worked there, and you’ll look at the folks that do work there and say they either 1)like it or 2)are lazy.
I’m liberal, but I’m a firm believer in capitalism. You’re never out of options in this country.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
John S. wrote:
It’s my town because I grew up here. If you remember I said I am a student so I stay here till I get a degree then I go on to another school then I go get a good job.
So then Wal-Mart is serving your purpose that you need right now- a paycheck. Soon, you ain’t gonna believed you ever worked there, and you’ll look at the folks that do work there and say they either 1)like it or 2)are lazy.
I’m liberal, but I’m a firm believer in capitalism. You’re never out of options in this country. [/quote]
I agree with you it is serving its purpose and that’s why I have no problem with them. And I do agree most are lazy. I am uninsured but I am not willing to sell there jobs to give me coverage. That’s my main beef with this bill and the socialist tendency’s it brings but that’s another topic.
I also agree with you that we are never out of options in this country.
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Unfortunately, I see this shiny happy piece of shit being passed into law along party lines, just as it made it out of commitee. “Soak the rich!”, Yea!, make 'em pay their “fair share”!
Call it a sur tax, call it an income tax increase, it’s the same thing. In the middle of what is being described as the greatest economic downturn since the great depression, we’re going to pass a major tax increase? (But Bigflamer, it’s on the rich! fuck the rich Bigflamer!!) But the reality of the matter is, that this will effect many job creators, including many small business owners.
I am sick and tired of this bullshit. No, it won’t affect job creation. It never has. Chart of top marginal tax rate:
Notice when it was real high? We we hurtin’ those years, weren’t we? Oh, wait.
Here’s a chart of national income going to the top 0.1% of earners. Where’s all that job creation that should have resulted? How rich do they have to get before it kicks in?
Not that I am arguing for 60%+ marginal rates.
By the way, here’s wages and productivity:
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There is something your Marginal Rate Chart doesn’t include. Loopholes. Big ones.
As marginal rates were pushed up, deductions, particularly deductions of “passive losses” against income, also crept up. No one in their right minds paid the 80% marginal rate; there were creative accountants and unproductive investments (think of depreciating cable networks and “beaver farms”) in which to hide taxable income. This ended with the Reagan tax reforms; if tax revenues declined, it was not by so much as the marginal rates, of course.
In the current House Ways & Means Committee, do you think that marginal rates will go up without such unproductive loopholes?
Don’t ask Mr. Rangel, who, because of his illegal tax dodging in Caribbean real estate, should be wearing stripes in “a federally-funded gated community,” like Leavenworth.
A large number of “the rich” included in such planning are in fact S-Corps, as pushharder points out. These are not the “rich” to be soaked, they are family businesses who then distribute after tax-income (I think…). Perhaps S-corps will be given allowances, loopholes, etc.
So there are not so many “rich” out there to be taxed. Who will make up the shortfall?
Everyone else.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
IT’S FUCKING WAL-MART MAN!
I’m not saying that it’s like working for a damn Fortune-500 company…
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Uhh, Wal-Mart IS a Fortune 500 company. In fact, it’s like a Fortune Five company.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
IT’S FUCKING WAL-MART MAN!
I’m not saying that it’s like working for a damn Fortune-500 company…
Uhh, Wal-Mart IS a Fortune 500 company. In fact, it’s like a Fortune Five company.[/quote]
Just let it go.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Go on thinking that socialism is your enemy, but remember, you’re living under capitalism now.
Please, show me this capitalism you speak of.[/quote]
Quite a nice little sham you have here. If there is one single regulation on the books, it’s not completely laissez-faire, it’s not capitalism, and so you don’t have to apologize for it. Saves you a lot of trouble.
I’ll leave now. I didn’t mean to interrupt your worship service.
Yes, you simply must factor that in. Otherwise, you’d have to deal with all that data that disagrees with you.
Let me get this straight: you want to turn these corporations completely loose, and trust that these men will produce outcomes beneficial for society? And I’m the idealistic one?
[quote]orion wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Don’t like those numbers, eh? Carry on with your tantrum.
And no, I don’t like it when politicians use taxpayers dollars to waste on a murderous military, or to give to rich people, as they presently do. Go on thinking that socialism is your enemy, but remember, you’re living under capitalism now.
lets see, government controlled fiat money and interest rates, heavy regulations on food and drugs, nationalized education, huge part of the medical industry run and regulated by the states, minimum wage laws, government licensing, enormous, basically historically unheard of, taxes, labor related costs enforced by the government distorting the market.
You look at all that and you think:
Capitalism!
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Well what is it? It’s definitely not socialism. You complain and complain about government regulation, central banks, etc. If only we could get rid of them! Then the beneficial aspect of capitalism would be unleashed! Well it’s been about 400 years now, when do they kick in? If it’s such a great system, shouldn’t there be degrees of benefit? As in, a regulated capitalist economy will be beneficial, but not as beneficial as a completely unfettered one? Why doesn’t it work if there’s one single regulation on the books?
This reminds me of why I stopped going to church.
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Let me get this straight: you want to turn these corporations completely loose, and trust that these men will produce outcomes beneficial for society? And I’m the idealistic one?
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What do you want, an all-powerful, ever-reaching government with its hands in every part of our lives? Is that beneficial for society?
[quote]malonetd wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
IT’S FUCKING WAL-MART MAN!
I’m not saying that it’s like working for a damn Fortune-500 company…
Uhh, Wal-Mart IS a Fortune 500 company. In fact, it’s like a Fortune Five company.[/quote]
You know what I meant.