[quote]Oleena wrote:
How can posting a war diary (legitimate, btw, confirmed, check it out yourself if you want. It’s from a collection called “Stolen Voices”. It also includes an Israeli girl’s diary) of someone’s pain be support for them and against the other side?
Are you saying that the simple act of acknowledging that someone on the opposing side is suffering is anti-Israel?
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It is NOT legitimate. The first entry describes ‘hundreds of dead’ in Jenin. It is Pallywood propaganda.
If you posted a similar diary of a Palestinian girl suffering without the blood libels I would feel sorry for her but would wonder why you were posting it.
Example: It’s September 1939. I’m living in Poland. Some guy is telling me about some German girl suffering because the Polish army fired a shell at the Nazi forces that blew her legs off. I would feel sorry for her but I would wonder why he was telling me this. The Germans are to blame and I’ve got more important things to worry about.
“Are you saying that the simple act of acknowledging that someone on the opposing side is suffering is anti-Israel?”
No. I acknowledge it. I also make moral distinctions based on critical evaluation of information. The information that is available shows that the suffering of Palestinians is entirely the fault of other Palestinians and the Arab states.
It also shows that this suffering is often not very great as it requires the staging of large scale fake attacks and the carrying of live people on stretchers pretending they’re corpes killed by Israelis, to gain political support.
“BTW, comparing war to agreed-on fighting matches is ridiculous. I have no problem with killing and violence, truth be told, when the people executing it both agree on it and are not taking anyone who didn’t with them.”
So both sides have to agree to fight and there should be no discipline in their armies? i.e. any yellow belly who decides he doesn’t want to advance can sit it out in the rear? How would this have worked in the last world war?
Germany: Would you like to have a war?
Poland: Not right now.
Germany: No problem, we’ll ask France instead.
You REALLY need to try to understand the excellent video you posted on critical thinking.
“If the country’s leaders would simply have death matches in a field somewhere, life would be better. Instead, people who have no idea what they’re getting into get brainwashed into doing the dirty work and everyone suffers.”
Now you’re starting to sound like a nut. I hate war. I had literally dozens of my ancestors killed in the First World War. But I understand why they had to fight. To read this sort of shit makes me angry. Grow up and show some respect for people who actually died so you have the freedom to talk crap.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
“BTW, comparing war to agreed-on fighting matches is ridiculous. I have no problem with killing and violence, truth be told, when the people executing it both agree on it and are not taking anyone who didn’t with them.”
So both sides have to agree to fight and there should be no discipline in their armies? i.e. any yellow belly who decides he doesn’t want to advance can sit it out in the rear? How would this have worked in the last world war?
Germany: Would you like to have a war?
Poland: Not right now.
Germany: No problem, we’ll ask France instead.
You REALLY need to try to understand the excellent video you posted on critical thinking.
“If the country’s leaders would simply have death matches in a field somewhere, life would be better. Instead, people who have no idea what they’re getting into get brainwashed into doing the dirty work and everyone suffers.”
Now you’re starting to sound like a nut. I hate war. I had literally dozens of my ancestors killed in the First World War. But I understand why they had to fight. To read this sort of shit makes me angry. Grow up and show some respect for people who actually died so you have the freedom to talk crap.[/quote]
Well they had to fight to “make the world save for democracy”.
And they were pulled into the war by a fabricated incident.
Assuming they were American.
Did not quite turn out that way though, so their sons had to do it all over again.
It is really hard to decide whether they fought for a hare brained idea or a lie.
"Well they had to fight to “make the world save for democracy”.
And they were pulled into the war by a fabricated incident. "
WTF? I don’t even know what you’re talking about. The Zimmerman telegraph? Sinking of the Lusitania? Unrestricted Uboat warfare? What was the ‘fabricated incident’?
Your assumption is wrong BTW - Australian/Canadian.
“It is really hard to decide whether they fought for a hare brained idea or a lie.”
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
"Well they had to fight to “make the world save for democracy”.
And they were pulled into the war by a fabricated incident. "
WTF? I don’t even know what you’re talking about. The Zimmerman telegraph? Sinking of the Lusitania? Unrestricted Uboat warfare? What was the ‘fabricated incident’?
Your assumption is wrong BTW - Australian/Canadian.
“It is really hard to decide whether they fought for a hare brained idea or a lie.”
Ignore list.[/quote]
Who cares?
A) Lusitania, which why now know was loaded with military ammunition.
B) Woodrow Wilsons fantasy of creating a world safe for democracy, which lead directly to the rise of fascism because it created a power vaccuum where the Hohenzollern and the Habsburg had been.
Also, after deciding the war for the French and British he pretty much betrayed every point of his grandiose plan, so I wonder why they fought at all.
I find it amusing that any criticism of Israel’s actions, no matter how valid, means that I support the Palestinians. I have relatives living in Tel Aviv, my mother was raised in a Jewish household and went on a kibbutz back in the 70s and my grandfather was sent to Birkeneau. I like Israel and the Israeli people and it’s a very nice country - however that doesn’t mean that I am blind to some of their government’s worse actions. That doesn’t excuse the Palestinians for one second but it’d be nice to have something different from the ‘you’re either with us or against us’ spiel that is trumpeted on here.
[quote]Bambi wrote:
Yes Orion, I love his reasoning. Next time Somali pirates board a merchant vessel off the Horn of Africa, THEY aren’t being the attackers it’s the men who are fighting them off who are the nasty attackers.[/quote]
There are some really sick people here. Seek help.[/quote]
Don’t let me pointing out your logical fallacies get in the way of your ad hominems.[/quote]
"The ad hominem is normally described as a logical fallacy, but it is not always fallacious; in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue.
The philosopher Charles Taylor has argued that ad hominem reasoning is essential to understanding certain moral issues" - Wikipedia
[quote]Bambi wrote:
Yes Orion, I love his reasoning. Next time Somali pirates board a merchant vessel off the Horn of Africa, THEY aren’t being the attackers it’s the men who are fighting them off who are the nasty attackers.[/quote]
There are some really sick people here. Seek help.[/quote]
Don’t let me pointing out your logical fallacies get in the way of your ad hominems.[/quote]
"The ad hominem is normally described as a logical fallacy, but it is not always fallacious; in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue.
The philosopher Charles Taylor has argued that ad hominem reasoning is essential to understanding certain moral issues" - Wikipedia[/quote]
Being morally judged by someone who calls themself ‘SexMachine’ on an internet forum really is the highlight of my day.
[quote]Bambi wrote:
Yes Orion, I love his reasoning. Next time Somali pirates board a merchant vessel off the Horn of Africa, THEY aren’t being the attackers it’s the men who are fighting them off who are the nasty attackers.[/quote]
There are some really sick people here. Seek help.[/quote]
Don’t let me pointing out your logical fallacies get in the way of your ad hominems.[/quote]
"The ad hominem is normally described as a logical fallacy, but it is not always fallacious; in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue.
The philosopher Charles Taylor has argued that ad hominem reasoning is essential to understanding certain moral issues" - Wikipedia[/quote]
Being morally judged by someone who calls themself ‘SexMachine’ on an internet forum really is the highlight of my day.
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It was the silliest name I could come up with when I registered.
I do not practice nor condone sex outside of a serious, monogamous relationship.
I have never had a one night stand.
Why should I have to be defending my sexual morality on a thread about Palestinian genocide?
[quote]Bambi wrote:
Yes Orion, I love his reasoning. Next time Somali pirates board a merchant vessel off the Horn of Africa, THEY aren’t being the attackers it’s the men who are fighting them off who are the nasty attackers.[/quote]
There are some really sick people here. Seek help.[/quote]
Don’t let me pointing out your logical fallacies get in the way of your ad hominems.[/quote]
"The ad hominem is normally described as a logical fallacy, but it is not always fallacious; in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue.
The philosopher Charles Taylor has argued that ad hominem reasoning is essential to understanding certain moral issues" - Wikipedia[/quote]
Being morally judged by someone who calls themself ‘SexMachine’ on an internet forum really is the highlight of my day.
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It was the silliest name I could come up with when I registered.
I do not practice nor condone sex outside of a serious, monogamous relationship.
I have never had a one night stand.
Why should I have to be defending my sexual morality on a thread about Palestinian genocide?[/quote]
[quote]Bambi wrote:
I find it amusing that any criticism of Israel’s actions, no matter how valid, means that I support the Palestinians. I have relatives living in Tel Aviv, my mother was raised in a Jewish household and went on a kibbutz back in the 70s and my grandfather was sent to Birkeneau. I like Israel and the Israeli people and it’s a very nice country - however that doesn’t mean that I am blind to some of their government’s worse actions. That doesn’t excuse the Palestinians for one second but it’d be nice to have something different from the ‘you’re either with us or against us’ spiel that is trumpeted on here.[/quote]
It is NOT legitimate. The first entry describes ‘hundreds of dead’ in Jenin. It is Pallywood propaganda.
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If it is, why would her journal be preceded in the collection by a Jewish girls’ who describes many of the same things, but less hold up in the streets, more suicide bombing, and constant fear and anguish? You would think that if it was Pallywood Propaganda they might think to tone that down.
It is NOT legitimate. The first entry describes ‘hundreds of dead’ in Jenin. It is Pallywood propaganda.
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If it is, why would her journal be preceded in the collection by a Jewish girls’ who describes many of the same things, but less hold up in the streets, more suicide bombing, and constant fear and anguish? You would think that if it was Pallywood Propaganda they might think to tone that down.[/quote]
I never said the book was Pallywood BS. I said the Palestinian girl’s ‘war diaries’ are as they describe ‘hundreds of dead’ in Jenin, amongst other things.
I’m going to try to help you once more. You need to understand how to evaluate sources. The fact that something is published in a book, and the fact that the book also contains something written by a Jew who describes the Battle of Jenin/suicide bombings does not make EITHER a credible source.
It SUGGESTS that the person who compiled the book was attempting to be ‘even handed’ or including a token Israeli story to avoid accusations of bias. This conclusion relies on ad hominem thinking. Basing ones conclusions on past experience when a lack of information is available to critically analyse. I gave an example in another post about avoiding an unknown species of snake.
