[quote]borrek wrote:
If the American system is really what these protesters want to protect, then they need to use that system, not short-circuit it.[/quote]
Humm… didn’t the dems just short circuit this bill, and violate the system in place? So protestors should use the system like they did? Here’s what you get when it’s all foul play.
Borrek,
The government changed the contract, which makes my obligation to abide by it null and void. When health care changed and “became a right”, as well as a law enforceable by penalty, I claim breach of contract. We signed up for a free market health care system, and your idea might hold water, for those born after this bill was signed. Our “contracts” are not negotiable and these changes cannot be enacted retro-actively.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]borrek wrote:
If the American system is really what these protesters want to protect, then they need to use that system, not short-circuit it.[/quote]
Humm… didn’t the dems just short circuit this bill, and violate the system in place? So protestors should use the system like they did? Here’s what you get when it’s all foul play.[/quote]
What’s worse, is that the Dems considered passing it without even having a vote ! I can only imagine how bad things would be, had they enacted Deem and Pass.
Guys we need to blame all the evil rich people who are taking advantage of the perfect poor people that are entitled to having every thing spoon fed to them.
Do I think we should help people that can not help themselves? Yes, but to babysit and take care of people who are able to do it on their own no. All welfare systems should only be for a time, and not forever. I learned in high school while working as a sacker at a grocery store people gamed the system. When a person uses food stamps but has a 2 year old mustang outside, a cell phone, and a coach purse that is taking money from me. Local people should hand out the money not money sent by the mail. Get hands on Governement. Quit throwing money at people because money is evil so all it does is make poor people evil too.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Guys we need to blame all the evil rich people who are taking advantage of the perfect poor people that are entitled to having every thing spoon fed to them.
Do I think we should help people that can not help themselves? Yes, but to babysit and take care of people who are able to do it on their own no. All welfare systems should only be for a time, and not forever. I learned in high school while working as a sacker at a grocery store people gamed the system. When a person uses food stamps but has a 2 year old mustang outside, a cell phone, and a coach purse that is taking money from me. Local people should hand out the money not money sent by the mail. Get hands on Governement. Quit throwing money at people because money is evil so all it does is make poor people evil too.[/quote]
Try regulating this. California is the only state who does not abide by welfare laws, and allows people to stay on welfare for years after the law allows. Do you think it is a coincidence that we have 35% of all the welfare in this state, with only 12% of the population? Do you think that this fact is shocking when you see how Democratic our legislature is?
“My taxes were increased, so now I can kill children, its OK, because people did that 200 years ago as well”
I thought a basic human right for children was not being killed by political extremists. If it was a muslim it would be terrorism. I guess there is little difference between Al Queda and the tea party, you just have to pull the right strings.
[quote]espenl wrote:
“My taxes were increased, so now I can kill children, its OK, because people did that 200 years ago as well”
I thought a basic human right for children was not being killed by political extremists. If it was a muslim it would be terrorism. I guess there is little difference between Al Queda and the tea party, you just have to pull the right strings.[/quote]
This is the worst attempt at a straw man ever. No one has advocated anything remotely close to that.
Let me try your way of thinking:
I take your argument to mean you like to eat your own poop. Poop eating is gross, therefor you lose the argument.
How did I do?
PLEASE learn English or sober up before posting anymore.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]borrek wrote:
What I find funny is that the same groups talking about revolution are the ones that are also saying this bill has destroyed their property rights. [/quote]
You may find it funny, but this bill is a violation of property rights.
I never signed this “contract” you speak of and I would bet you didn’t either.
Your statement has no basis in reality.
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how is it a property issue?
Folks are pissed, it seems. But I condemn the violence, but not the sentiment behind it…
[quote]espenl wrote:
“My taxes were increased, so now I can kill children, its OK, because people did that 200 years ago as well”
I thought a basic human right for children was not being killed by political extremists. If it was a muslim it would be terrorism. I guess there is little difference between Al Queda and the tea party, you just have to pull the right strings.[/quote]
I’m sorry, but this one is so bad I had to post again.
How exactly did you arrive at that quoted outline of our argument? I mean did you scroll through the thread and randomly pick out key words that you thought were pretty? Are you dyslexic to the point you jumbled the words of the entire thread?
Realllllyyy. What the hell was going through your head? Did that honestly sound like an intelligent post when you thought it?
Wow. I’m just amazed.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]espenl wrote:
“My taxes were increased, so now I can kill children, its OK, because people did that 200 years ago as well”
I thought a basic human right for children was not being killed by political extremists. If it was a muslim it would be terrorism. I guess there is little difference between Al Queda and the tea party, you just have to pull the right strings.[/quote]
This is the worst attempt at a straw man ever. No one has advocated anything remotely close to that.
Let me try your way of thinking:
I take your argument to mean you like to eat your own poop. Poop eating is gross, therefor you lose the argument.
How did I do?
PLEASE learn English or sober up before posting anymore.[/quote]
I guess since he eats poop that all people from Norway eat Poop. That is gross.
That’s how the pigs behave. They can’t stand they lost this game, so now they’re kicking over the board. And it’s not just the extremists, they’re egged on by the regular republican party.
What we now need is a couple of liberals that will arm up and declare “an eye for an eye”. That’s from the bible they pretend to love so much.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]borrek wrote:
What I find funny is that the same groups talking about revolution are the ones that are also saying this bill has destroyed their property rights. [/quote]
You may find it funny, but this bill is a violation of property rights.
I never signed this “contract” you speak of and I would bet you didn’t either.
Your statement has no basis in reality.
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how is it a property issue?[/quote]
Paying for another individuals health care with your own money (taxation)?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
This is the worst attempt at a straw man ever. No one has advocated anything remotely close to that.
Let me try your way of thinking:
I take your argument to mean you like to eat your own poop. Poop eating is gross, therefor you lose the argument.
How did I do?
PLEASE learn English or sober up before posting anymore.[/quote]
Sorry for not being as eloquent as you, with my grasp of the english language obviously being quite poor.
I do however find it hard to condemn violence against children because I do not agree with their parents. I guess it stems from my work in the psychiatric field. Treating people with syndromes caused by violence and rape, made me find it hard to hurt children because of disagreements with my government over taxation.
And in our terrible mixed politics country I actually get paid to say to people like DBCooper “hey, we’ve got it covered next week, don’t worry about it”.
We are all happy I don’t live in the states, you wouldn’t want a liberal idiot like me there, and I don’t want to have to kill mad teabaggers while protecting my family.
[quote]espenl wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
This is the worst attempt at a straw man ever. No one has advocated anything remotely close to that.
Let me try your way of thinking:
I take your argument to mean you like to eat your own poop. Poop eating is gross, therefor you lose the argument.
How did I do?
PLEASE learn English or sober up before posting anymore.[/quote]
Sorry for not being as eloquent as you, with my grasp of the english language obviously being quite poor.
I do however find it hard to condemn violence against children because I do not agree with their parents. I guess it stems from my work in the psychiatric field. Treating people with syndromes caused by violence and rape, made me find it hard to hurt children because of disagreements with my government over taxation.
And in our terrible mixed politics country I actually get paid to say to people like DBCooper “hey, we’ve got it covered next week, don’t worry about it”.
We are all happy I don’t live in the states, you wouldn’t want a liberal idiot like me there, and I don’t want to have to kill mad teabaggers while protecting my family.[/quote]
You missed that part at the end about sobering up huh? I think you mean you find it hard to condone… not condemn. As does everyone here. Everyone here has been condemning violence against children. Your quotation was apparently pulled from drug induced lala land.
As for the rest of the post, I’m not sure what destination was intended. Swing and a miss.
Everyone here has massive reading miscomprehension… the original post was NOT advocating violence against children, it was saying that if a man perceives your actions (or the Congress’s actions) as threatening his children, that man is more likely to consider violence than otherwise.
I’ll re-post the quote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Violence is part of the debate. Won’t armed men get sent into my home if I don’t pay the taxes? I actually believe civil disobedience and even physical resistance may be called for.
That being said, I completely condemn any vandalism or threats of violence or murder. Certainly anyone that would bring children into this is the lowest form of individual. And that includes the posting of an address where children sleep.[/quote]
Maybe some people feel that if this man gets his way, that their children will be threatened, and that is just as bad.
Threaten his kids, and he’s more likely to consider it.
Makes sense to me.[/quote]
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
By choosing to live here all I’ve agreed to is the fact that I have nowhere else to go.
mike[/quote]
Not quite. You’ve agreed to live by the laws of the land. Otherwise “I didn’t agree to that” would be defense #1 in any trial.
Also you have plenty of other places to go. Around 200 countries to choose from even. Just because you may not want to go there doesn’t mean you get to live here if you don’t abide by the laws.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
I never signed this “contract” you speak of and I would bet you didn’t either.
Your statement has no basis in reality.
[/quote]
Don’t be silly. This is rudimentary stuff…
Your “signature” is implied in the fact that you remain in the country. If you feel I’m out of touch with reality though, make sure to go down to the IRS office on April 15th and ask for a refund on all of the taxes you’ve paid. Make sure to tell them that you didn’t sign any agreement to pay taxes.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]borrek wrote:
If the American system is really what these protesters want to protect, then they need to use that system, not short-circuit it.[/quote]
Humm… didn’t the dems just short circuit this bill, and violate the system in place? So protestors should use the system like they did? Here’s what you get when it’s all foul play.[/quote]
Every single house member who voted on that bill was duly elected. Like it or not, that was the system at work. I don’t care if Pelosi was licking taints under the stairwell to get votes, the political process was still followed