HCG with Tren, No Test

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Well, Bill Roberts is awesome knowledge guy, thats true. You can do it, but you’ll regret. Mast and HCG, Bold and HCG, Oxandrolone with HCG, Primo with HCG and maybe to start a cycle with tren without test (HCG only), till your endog test is fucked up, yes, you can do it, do tren for 2 weeks without test, you can do it, no problem. After 2/ 3 weeks, even with hcg, you’ll need to introduce some exog testosterone when doing trenbolone, ok?

I did tren one whole year round, nonnnnn stop when competing… it’s ok, but you need to understand that you’ll be shut down while on tren, no matter what golden hcg you use. You’ll have a stimulation of LH, but as a said, your blood is telling your body to do not produce. Not talking about FSH! FSH is going to be super mega ultra low and you’ll not be able to stim FSH with HCG, OK? And FSH is the one who make babies! LH is for testosterone production, OK? HCG during cycles is used to give a sign of light to your balls, just to keep them alive, to keep your balls functioning.

But think, I’m no GH15R, but just think, when using steroids you’ll be giving little FSH and LH sign, so your body learn to produce testosterone and spermatozoa with low FSH and LH, this will happen with time, time using steroids… if you cycle for a short period of time, you don’t need HCG, you’ll overkill your body with ultra doses of LH, and right after you stop HCG, you’ll not be able to produce for while, just because your body is used to super high dose of HCG… do you understand why HCG is some bullshit depending the use? Real bodybuilders don’t use HCG, I know them… I’m here to put something in the air, something I’d like you to know more about, and try to think about this 'Roberts" (total respect), yeah, you can read and believe this guys but dont be blind… think out of the box!

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Then how much prop would do you use with 100 tren ed? i was thinking use 15 ed ,this is a total of 105 prop per week.And i was planing do for 6 weeks,some mates recommended me dont make more than 6 week cause tren supress a lot of and more weeks can be harsh.Then when finish 6 weeks would do you do something like 15 prop ed and 100 mast prop ed?i know will not be like tren of course,tren is the best,but mast is mild and i want to put lean muscle and be on low bf,The other cycle i made test e only and yeah you make gains eating correct but the look that gives you with high test looks like a baloon and a lot of water retention and i was using aromasin,doesnt matter i was bloated cause the test e.

Then how would do you run the cycles knowing my objectives?just run high tren low test and dont give a fuck about long term damage?

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hard to say… 250mg per week is a good amount… not too low, not too high
do 50mg every day, I’d if I were you, knowing your objectives.

Tren always do the job, you just need to keep your system working… 200/ 250mg test will do the job… is your test prop pharma grade?

6 weeks is ok… you can do more if you want… damage? humm… it depend on your genetics, some can do tren year round with almost no sides, others just cannot… they’ll feel depressed, like shit, acne, etc… but you need to take the risk… do it and tell us what is happening…

I’m not expert, but I wouldn’t do tren and no test at all…

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tren and test prop are alpha pharma products.

i have a friend that is running tren at 100 mgs ed and he hasnt sides.
with 15-20 prop ed i think is enough,if cant get it up can be the prolactin levels than the test dosage.

I was doing cycle pct but i think is a shit if going to rest like 1 month between cycles,was thinking on build nice body with high tren and then cruise with something like 100-125 mg test e week and 100 tren a per week for give the body rest but with the 100 tren a per week continue having nice look on the cruise

And for example doing tren cycles with pct,i think doing 10 12 weeks f tren can shut down you hard on pct and after,then is better cruise…

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Man… you are with the wrong thoughts about tren = good look… listen. You can get great body doing test only. If you cannot get awesome look natural or with test only, you’ll not be able to get it from tren… tren is not magic! You are crazy about tren, and I know this feeling, i was just like you… I thought I could not live without! haha… Tren is more like competition drug, but you can use it for other purposes, of course you can. I need to tell you, my best look is reached with test/ bold/ hgh. As I told you, I did a lot of tren and didn’t got the look I got today, with boldenone. And plus, I did my blood work last month and guess what? All is fine, including my fertility, thats incredible! I’ve learned that while no competitive, I can do steroids all year round keeping “that look” and good health! Tren gave me no health, no fertility, bad skin (acne all over my body and face) long term using and didn’t gave “that look” I was looking for… ok?

But you look decided to use tren, so I’m not the one who’s going to decide it for you… but think about it… use tren and you’ll see it’s not that magic you think.

doing some tren while cruising is not gonna do nothing for you… that minimum dose is shit you’re are thinking, sorry, I need to say that. Just forget this “TREN” thing…

But do tren, do it, I love tren, and I’d do tren again when competitive, that’s for sure.

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yeah i will try tren for a few weeks,i know you can get nice body on test bolde,but bolde needs to run a lot of weeks and increase hemaglobin and hematocrit and can be risk for a stroke.then this is why i wasnt thinking on use EQ

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Yes… this is why people should do blood work and stop reading this gurus… I’m doing 600mg boldenone for a whole year, and nothing to worry about hematocrit… just 1 point above the limit and as my doc said, this is desirable! More nutrients/ oxigen transport to the cells, without all that risks you said. No toxicity, nothing to say about boldenone… all good!

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i am thinking on go 600 mg bolde 500 test week or masteron and test prop than tren.For hardness would be better mast with the prop no?better look i think than using 500 test e week.i was doing 500 test e cycle using ai and i make great gains cause eating perfect without cheat meals,but doesnt matter the ai dosage 500 test e without other compounds makes you baloon look

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Are you running 600mg/week Bold? can you unbox this and give more info. I would like to hear the overall results and how you are on a non-stop Bold cruise without neg effects.

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600mg bold/ w, 350mg test/ w, 2/ 4iu hgh (pharma grade)/ day and 1mg anastrozole/ day.

2 years non stop. No acne, no elevated RBC, no liver or kidney problem (actually, enzyme count was great) still fertile (not on the TOP, but when normal range is 15 milions/ ml, I did 10 milions and 9 milions/ ml, my doc said it’s ok and I’m fertile).

I’m not using HCG or something to recover, etc… just doing what i said above.

Feel perfectly fine, sex drive, overal health, everything! And my body is great, no water retention, I do keep my shape dry/ ripped (relatively), 210/ 213 lbs with single dig bf%. variating between 7 to 9% at max… vascular, strong… that’s all…

trying to have a kid, so, my doc said I cannot change anything right now… I do miss tren! kkkk

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i was thinking on do this but with lower dosages and without hgh cause i cant afford.

What do you think about 100-125 test per week for keep the things stable and add compounds like eq and masteron e? something like test 100 per week mast e 100 per week and eq 100 per week.or only one of these 2 compounds at 200 mg per week

for example,why dont you use lower eq dosage and add some mast e?will dont make better body look?

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It’s a good idea, but as I said, right now I’m doing what my doc said me to do, so I can’t change a thing. I need to wait for my wife to get preg… but it’s good idea…

I’m doing this for 2 years, then, with blood works and everything, we think it’s some kinda stable situation… we don’t want to mess up, because I was infertile 3 years ago… and now I’m recovered (more or less, I can have a child), and plus, keep doing what I love (bodybuilding)… crazy thing, but the ones who love the sport and adicted to steroids will understand!

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yeah i understand u bro.

U are running higher dosage that i am thinking on do year round but if u dont have problems then continue what are u doing,you have very great physique.

And About eq and masteron.If you were me what do you think would be better run 100 mg of each compound or just run eq 100-200 mg per week better option?

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Its personal choice of course, but… If I were you, I’d run a little bit more test (200 or 250mg/w in 2 or 3 injections/ w), and 100/ 200mg bold + 100/ 200mg mast. If you want lower doses, use the first option I said: 200mg/ test + 100mg bold + 100mg mast.

do everything splited, for example:

2x per week:

Monday - 100mg test + 50mg bold + 50mg mast

Thursday - 100mg test + 50mg bold + 50mg mast

As I told you, I’d like to do a little bit more (increase the doses) but, you don’t want it, right? So… this is based on you.

You can split it in 3x injections per week, I think it’s better to split more, the only thing about it is the injections, sometimes it sucks to do 3/ 4/ 5 times per week.

Good Luck man!

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Ok thanks for the advices,btw i was thinking on eq mast or primo ,but primo seems to be a lot of fake and is expensive,but for run at that dosages not much but for get fake shit better dont use.You and a lot of people use eq year round,seems to be not much risky.Do you think is worth run the masteron year round?some people talk good thing about masteron,but i was reading that masteron is faked much times,the cheapes option is eq.Btw if i run eq i have access to alpha pharma EQ that i think is g2g

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Man, I cannot tell you it’s ok/ worth to run any kind of steroid year round. For me, to run bold/ test/ hgh seems to be ok after 2 years, but anything can happen. I think you should not run any steroid year round… I do it but I don’t recommend it. But honestly, I like the idea of ​​running masteron all year round, along with bold / primo and test.

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And about your dosages,you run 600 bold year round,but,when u reach your max genetic muscular potential,isnt better lower the dosage just for maintain and have vascular look of the eq?

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o course not, you hold the look of the dose you use. If drop the dose, you start to loose muscle. U cannot keep that amount of muscle with lower dose. Plus, Eq is mild steroid, 600mg is not that much of EQ.

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Yeah i understand bro,i know a lot of people like you that do test eq year round,i think is the best for be year round.And other thing,i readed that if u use mid high dosages of test but without hgh you look bloated.For example in your image,u are hard as a fucking rock lol haha.Would do you use without hgh low test dosage like 125 per week alongside the 600 mg of eq?

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125mg is too low, IMO. but I’d use 200 + 600 EQ, it’s ok. Hgh holds water, no matter what, even saizen holds water… i’m using 2/ 4 iu of hormotrop (bergamo - pharma grade)… when I stop using it for some reason (competition or photo), in 1/ 2 weeks you dry out, no water under the skin, and you get that super dry visual. Hgh, real hgh holds water, no matter what, some holds more and other holds little less… that thing you need to take more hgh to compensate high test dose, it’s poorly understood, I do have friends, competitors that use 1g test week and do not use hgh, and they look awesome. This high testorterone with need of a higher hgh dose to compensate is some of the GH15 Myths.

Of course hgh will take better advantage of the steroids and will create more fibers with time, and there is some reason to use more test, you do have more fibers to grow, so… hgh will make you utilize better the food… will keep you low bf even making some mistakes in diet… thats true. Burns fat, not like clenbuterol or ephedrine, it’s not like this fat burners… it works different (too much to explain here… kk). Hgh do everything I told you, but holds water, and if you want that super dry look, you need to stop taking hgh for a couple days, then you’ll be able see the lines, veins, and how much hgh have done for you…
don’t believe anyone who say to you hgh will not hold water… even the best pharma grade holds some water and make your shape looks bloated, when actualy, you are a piece of gold.