Ah, you think I am not telling the truth? A stranger on the internet, stunning.
Yeah, I’ll look and find something. Back to work now. I’m thinking of one particularly.
By the way, not sure I’d say “working” but getting FSH in the low 2s (not 0.2) and conceiving could be considered as such. I actually agree with you, and do not recommend clomid concurrently with test if trying to conceive.
Partly it comes from my experience using steroids and running a PCT afterwards. It was a given that you needed to wait for the exogenous testosterone that was in your system to clear out for your HPTA to be in a position to except signaling to restart. Until that happened, more signal would not overcome the shut down from exogenous testosterone.
Today, it comes from the fact that I cannot find one single piece of information or lab work that supports elevation of LH and FSH while on TRT and a SERM. If I could see that, I would 100% change my mind.
I think clinics that can no longer make money off of prescribing their patients hCG have to turn to a different product so they can keep that revenue coming in. It was Gonadorelin, until people realized that didn’t actually work while on TRT, now Enclomiphene has gotten very popular so I see people asking about that all over the place.
Haha no, you seem genuine on here. But seeing something would be helpful. And if the whole goal is conceiving, getting FSH (and sperm count) just high enough to do that, I’d call it a success. Would be nice if it was repeatable.
Also I see guys using it to return balls to normal size like HCG can do. I wonder if it does that at all? Or just a little bit?
I remember while cycling and using PCT after a few weeks I could feel my balls really beef up and I knew I was coming back online.
Other than the anecdotally highly probable side effects of anxiety why not?
I agree this is sound advice, a PCT may well fail if started too soon and for too short a duration.
For me at least, there are at least two mechanisms-
Or
The first example above (1.)debunks the “Tamoxifen while on TRT for increase in LH” hypothesis and the other (2.) doesn’t.
Can’t say I have either. Here’s a question though…. Is there a difference between a man boosting his natural levels with SERMs or a guy boosting his exogenous levels with SERMs?
Both require a somewhat capable HPTA so not universally possible. I can’t think of a reason however, why a guy with function HPTA who takes TRT for optimisation can’t supplement exogenous with endogenous T.
Yeah I am with you on this thinking. I don’t know exactly why, when on TRT or AAS, blocking e2 in your brain wouldn’t raise LH/FSH without any issues. It would seem to make sense given how the drugs work while not on anything.
AI’s block e2 in the brain as well, but we don’t see LH/FSH go up when using them while on TRT. Is there another mechanism of the feedback loop that is blocked by the amount of testosterone/e2 that’s in the body? I’m not sure
Here you go:
He was taking 100mg testosterone once weekly and 20mg clomid daily. I was not in favor of it, but that’s what he wanted to do. He had been on testosterone for quite a while, I think around three months for the clomid. I had to admit I was surprised.
Me too! Crazy how LH didn’t come up at all, yet sperm count returned (at least enough to conceive). But I guess you can still call this a success. Thanks for sharing
