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You have not suggested one hypothetical mechanism of action for corporations shredding American families, supported with facts or otherwise. You blamed corporations, and when I asked how you brought up global warming. Which didn’t seem to effect the familial choices of the latinas you fancy in your worldview.
So did oil and energy companies demand the energy? Or did they merely supply the demand from the marketplace? You know the billions of people who all want goods shipped to them, transportation that’s faster than horses, the ability to heat their home, light switches that actually do something etc… blaming energy companies for the industrial revolution is like blaming McDonalds because you’re fat.
Every single dire temperaturws warming prediction has been fallen far short. The alarmism is a tool to give states more power. The human population was lowest during a mini ice age that nearly drove us to extinction (roughly 10,000 people).
Humans will start actually using renewables when they become economically viable without artificial incentives. That is when they can deliver goods, transportation and working light switches just as well as fossil fuels. The energy density just isn’t there yet.
You know who some of the biggest private investors in renewable energy are? Oil companies. I guess they’re planning ahead, like fucking decades ahead! Try supporting your arguments with anything other than attitude and hyperbole.
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I am absolutely, positively NOT going to waste my workout time on this today, but:
This would actually play into your desired outcome, because global catastrophe will throw us into chaos, and gender equality only works well in a functional post-industrial society, where my relative lack of strength has little bearing on my ability to earn money and command goods and services. If we’re scavenging or killing to survive my husband’s greater strength and endurance become essential. Of course, he’s going to want someone to stitch his socks back together and work magic to make our rotted meat taste fresh, and that’ll be me. Salting and peppering everything while he’s busy using his stockpile of weapons/ammo killing our former friends and neighbors.
I don’t think this is true, so I question the quality of the company you keep. I can tell which of the women who come through my office with no sense of themselves - both young and older - will have men crowding them looking for commitment. I work with a young woman coming out of an exceptionally cloistered childhood. She’s the total package and I knew when she worried about it that she would have an easy time dating, which she dismissed as improbable. In the two years since (coming out of her teens) she’s had every fucking guy she’s gotten to know avow their love for her. Not every guy she’s met, but the ones who’ve had enough exposure to get to know her a bit. She’s just the total package - not beautiful, but cute and very clean and well-dressed, and more importantly crazy-bright with a cheerful and self-deprecating sense of humor, a generally bright outlook on life, and a thing for death metal. She’s in school and working (no family support) and has already begun moving up the ladder at work. She’ll be an executive there eventually if she opts to stay. She’s choosy because why would she want a petulant, weak man? (And she has me there to warn her about red flags.)
I work with another woman coming out of a divorce (with a weak, petulant man) who was miserable that she was going to be alone and lonely for the rest of her life because she’s old now (~40). Um, no. That’s not going to happen. Because again, the total package, even with a couple of kids. In shape, reasonably pretty (say a 7/10) and again radiating cleanliness and self-care in hair, clothes, etc, with a personality and intellect that lights up a room and a sense of humor that goes WAY dirty - which is the funnier for its complete opposition to her good-girl looks. So now here we are with the divorce finalized and the men coming out of the woodwork - quality men. Good earners, guys in shape. They could get a lesser woman ten years younger, maybe - and that 30yo might be much prettier - but the pretty younger woman they could score wouldn’t make them laugh until their sides ached or be someone they can share their vulnerability with. She would be vapid, at least in comparison, because a total-package 30yo will be out of reach for most 45yo men.
Btw, Anna Kendrick exemplifies these “total package” qualities to me. Definitely not the most beautiful woman in Hollywood, but she absolutely radiates intelligence, humor, and decency.
The market determines the value and your focus on looks alone misses the mark. It would be like saying a good ribeye overvalues itself because it’s doing so much better in the marketplace than ramen noodles.
Young women tend to be pretty and fit. The qualities smart men look for increase the likelihood that the young women they choose will age well, and these qualities include intelligence and intrinsic motivation. Again, it has little to do with staying home vs working outside the home.
What DOES have to do with working vs not is the high divorce rate and the riskiness for both parties of time away from the workforce, which limits a woman’s earning power and increases the amount a man will pay in the event of a divorce. The fear now is not of the breadwinner’s death, but of the dissolution of the partnership.
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It has just occurred to me that I may believe that divorce is a benefit of our post-industrial society rather than an unintended consequence of societal changes.
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When it allows people to get away from emotionally/physically abusive spouses. Absolutely.
When petulant children get married, have babies and then lose the fleeting infatuation for each other and then split and raise the children in a broken acrimonious home. That’s annoying.
I guess in thinking about myself and the women I’ve recently had exposure to, poor choices are probably linked back to childhood abuse or neglect. I know that for myself it made sense at 23 to choose an emotionally stunted bully. I was very guarded about my history and he expressed zero curiosity. I also wanted a protector, so was drawn to his aggression and kickboxing trophies. Meanwhile, I eased his depression with my sunny outlook and belief in him. Ultimately I outclassed him in too many ways and bitterness ensued in both directions because as with all bullies, he was insecure and found me threatening, and I found him dishonest and unreliable. Our co-dependency didn’t age well.
I currently work with four women who range in age and for whom this is or has been the broad-stroke situation. They have in common also that they are plucky supportive optimist types. I think that while it’s sustainable if both are committed, it leads to all sorts of undesirable outcomes for all involved, including children. Insecure men cheat in order to feel desirable. My own personal insecure man wanted to share me with other men, presumably as a power/control thing, which…no. There is anger, there are cold silences. I often feel that I was gaslighted with regard to the children (I build you up, you denigrate me) and see that playing out with the women I work with.
So I guess I’m saying that there’s generational stuff. Not all of us are equipped by loving parents to make good choices. I’m not going to claim that the women are complete victims - I acknowledge that my ex-husband had a difficult time being married to me, though I think most people would say that I’m good-natured and easy to live with. But he needed someone…less.
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I think this is the part where you and I have a major disagreement, especially in an age in which jobs that require raw physical strength are becoming increasingly limited. I do not understand why you believe women are innately less capable than men at the vast majority of occupations.
Outperform, or just out-earn and out-promote due to all the inherent anti-female bias in most workplaces? I’m sure you’ll claim that this bias doesn’t exist and it’s a level playing field. You probably also think there’s no implicit racial bias built into American society.
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I don’t have time to look up current stats, but 25% of wives out-earned their husbands in 2012 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. High income couples tend to have stabler marriages, so it’s not indicative of negative change in that regard.
Women don’t need to make themselves smaller, men need to stop relying on women’s fear of impoverishment to make themselves seem larger.
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I think this is my favorite thread now.
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Your post here is absolute pure gold, especially the part of having a goddamn actress celebrity as your example of the ‘total package’
and here people are questioning my observations that the media is modeling these girls under false pretenses and unachievable expectations.
Next you’re going to tell me every woman should empower themselves and move to NYC and find a job as a columnist for a cheeky magazine while brushing off model looking dudes at upscale bars in Manhattan because they’re too full of themselves lollllll
Well, just got caught up on this thread. glad to see it gained traction again. As I have previously mentioned, I just love seeing this thread title pop up in my feed.
I honestly just want to see 3 things at this point.
Greenboy’s fedora collection.
Greenboy’s glorious neckbeard.
A picture of the last woman Greenboy slept with, who he didn’t pay to do so.
I also wanted to mention that I absolutely will not date a woman who doesn’t either have a full time job, or a part time job and some other major pursuit in her life. My ex wife didn’t work, and she was a miserable human being. If you want to see what ACTUALLY makes a woman turn ugly early, look for a woman who doesn’t work and instead parties and drinks with her friends every day.
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And you are right in a sense. A lot of men will not be suited for some of these jobs simply because they will not want to do it, or have patience to do it. But the ones that are will always outperform women, on average.
No one seems to have addressed this issue either, the issue of when these so called ‘weak men’ can’t find decent jobs that fit them?
Like I’ve said here before, a major problem with what is going on in that women will not, do not, want to take care of a man. Ever. They have an issue with this, this “weak” thing they call it.
Some of these successful women that ms Emily wants to promote usually want a guy around her same status field, she doesn’t want a construction worker, even if he is making decent money or has the prospect of owning his own business one day. Sure, she may want him when he does own his business but by then she may be well into her 30s, or even 40s. Is this same girl gonna want the young kid hustling in his 20s? Even if he’s rough around the edges? No, probably not.
What I imagine someone of Emily’s example wants is that make believe fantasy guy, ya know the doctor on the tv show that is also handsome as fuck with a nice body and a good family. What are the chances she’ll want a balding CPA stressed out of his eyeballs with a gut? or something?
Where men tend to want 1 thing, women want it all. This is the age we live in, or at least this is what I see around me for these younger bros.
I another wonderful post solidifying my points.
Yes, a man must provide, he must do what he must to pull ass, because if he’s a ‘neck beard’ or a man that has to pay for it then hell, he’s a waste. Absolutely my guy.
However, your average desk sitting chubby American female (which most of them in that atmosphere are or eventually become, unless she’s Anna Kendrick lol) would smack a man in the face if he said ‘get off your ass and go to the gym’. Because ya know “She’s working a lot and she’s tired”
This is exactly what I’ve been saying this whole time.
Love that your sample size consists of bros at the gym you go to. Really makes the hill you’re dying on that much taller.
That’s not remotely true. I don’t know what part of the country you live in, but I can tell you 2 things for certain: 1. In rural US, stereotypical gender roles are still in full effect. Most women are still running the household, taking care of the kids, cooking dinner, all that kind of stuff. It’s more common than anything resembling equality, that’s for damn sure. 2. I live in a major city (Dallas), and almost every girl I’ve dated has expressed an interest in taking care of their man. The girls I’ve dated seriously have done exactly that. They are wholly invested in taking that role for a man they want to keep. You’re clearly a man no worthwhile woman wants to keep around. If you were, you’d see what I have.
nope. I’m a strongman competitor, and I know PLENTY of women who are dating guys at my gym who make far less money. Wanna know why? Because they dig the ultra-masculinity that comes with being that type of guy. Money isn’t the aim. I also employ several welders at my company who are married to women making twice the money they make. Your observation is flat out inaccurate.
Dudes in their 20’s are shitheads. That’s the problem. The kid who’s ‘hustling’ in his 20’s is far more likely to be a delusional asshole than a worthwhile dude. Ain’t nobody wanna deal with that. I wasn’t worth a shit until I was around 27.
uh. why would anyone want that? You just described a shitty person. Why would any worthwhile woman want a shitty boyfriend?
And this illuminates exactly what your problem is. You just described a man with zero apparent redeeming qualities, and you actually asked why that guy isn’t going to end up with an awesome wife. That’s fucking brilliant.
No. YOU want one thing. Worthwhile men do not. I won’t date a woman who isn’t smart. I won’t date a woman who doesn’t work. I won’t date a smoker. I won’t date a woman who doesn’t take care of herself. I won’t date a woman who eats like shit. I believe ‘standards’ is the word that applies here.
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Dude, is this how you actually speak to women? Honestly, every single one of your posts is just teeming with belittlement and rage towards women. I’d smack someone in the face if I heard them say that to a woman, too.
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no kidding.
No woman is going to tell me what to do, and I am never going to tell a woman what to do. Because I prefer healthy relationships, lol. I’d never tell a woman she needs to go to the gym. If a gym-goer is what I want, I’ll date someone who already fucking goes to the gym.
I feel as though greenguy has very, very limited options in the dating world, because of his shitty personality, and presumably horribly disfigured face. And since he also makes like 25k per year, he can use that as the reason he sucks with women, instead of addressing the fact that he’s a conversational dunce, or the fact that he hasn’t taken a shower in 2 1/2 months.
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Axe body spray counts man.
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You keep saying this. Are you able to back it up with literally anything?
They go on bodybuilding forums and complain about women not wanting them.
Why in God’s name would you think women are chomping at the bit for a manual labor guy? The guy who will probably be replaced by a machine in your lifetime.
You’re not rough around the edges. You’re just rough.
Probably estrogen problems
Translation. I keep working out but it can’t over take my garbage personality
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