Hate Crimes - LA

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Zap Branigan wrote:
Do any of you seriously believe the military is the best solution? It doesn’t fit with their current missions at all.

They do not have the power to arrest. Having them handle the border is a very risky proposition.

BostonBarrister wrote:
They do, on a military base - turn the first mile or so of the border into a continuous military base, and post armed guards. Maybe instead of “continuous base” make it one interrupted by civilian crossing points, and let INS staff those, along with doing border patrol solely around the major metropolitan border areas. There’s got to be a way to do this, and it has had been a traditional military function to guard the border/frontier.

Varqanir wrote:
They tried that in East Germany.[/quote]

Except that 3/4 of their guns were pointing inwards…

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We don’t need the best solution, we just need to final solution.

If we set up concentration camps for all the mexicans in the United States, and use them for hard labor and strange experiments.

Then the Mexicans will stop coming into the country…maybe.

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We already use the Mexicans for hard labor, and yet they keep coming.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
We already use the Mexicans for hard labor, and yet they keep coming.[/quote]

But take away their access to free health care, and ban them from the welfare system, and a large portion of them will go back home.

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I heard this man, Rafael Dos Santos, accosted Bill Gates in a parking lot and stole his job.

Anyone else here this?

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This may seem counter intuitive but I think it is the right answer.

Why not give all the Mexicans amnesty.

Register them.

Then start a foriegn legion, draft all of them and drop them off in Iraq.

You hit two birds in one stone.

No more American’s in Iraq, and no more Mexicans in the USA.

You cut national spending by cutting wages for the Military.

Don’t lose face for cutting and running in Iraq.

Get rid of all the Latinos at the same time.

I mean, why hasn’t someone else thought of this?

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:
I mean, why hasn’t someone else thought of this?[/quote]

http://armed-services.senate.gov/statemnt/2006/July/Chu%2007-10-06.pdf

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I disagree.

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:

We don’t need the best solution, we just need to final solution.

If we set up concentration camps for all the mexicans in the United States, and use them for hard labor and strange experiments.

Then the Mexicans will stop coming into the country…maybe.[/quote]

Your attempts at humor fall flat.

It’s not about Mexicans; it’s not racial.

It’s about a few different things: 1) Security - we need to control access to our country given the theoretical terrorist threat; 2) Unskilled, uneducated labor flooding the market and burdening the infrastructure; 3) a cultural group coming in and not assimilating, by choice, because it is taking over communities and so doesn’t have to do so - and is constantly being refreshed with new people who are also unassimilated.

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Drug and gang-related wealth are not legitimate.
I disagree.
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Again, we’re back to cultural values. By believing that, you are showing sure signs of belonging to a sick culture.

I hope the medicine doesn’t kill you. The Dr. will see you soon.

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Sikkario wrote:

We don’t need the best solution, we just need to final solution.

If we set up concentration camps for all the mexicans in the United States, and use them for hard labor and strange experiments.

Then the Mexicans will stop coming into the country…maybe.

Your attempts at humor fall flat.

It’s not about Mexicans; it’s not racial.

It’s about a few different things: 1) Security - we need to control access to our country given the theoretical terrorist threat; 2) Unskilled, uneducated labor flooding the market and burdening the infrastructure; 3) a cultural group coming in and not assimilating, by choice, because it is taking over communities and so doesn’t have to do so - and is constantly being refreshed with new people who are also unassimilated.[/quote]

You’re misunderstanding the Latino mindset here.

A pretty high percentage of them are racially collectivistic, meaning when it comes to choosing between their race and principle, they’ll choose race every time. To him, this is about race, no matter how many times you keep repeating the principle.

It’s sort of funny to watch a Puerto Rican stick up for the Mexicans, though. I doubt many Mexicans would reciprocate.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
No, it’s a bad idea…Arrest the assholes who give these wetbacks jobs and you will see the number plummet.

Meaning we need to start throwing rich whites in jail. I wholeheartedly agree. However these same people spend the money to put the politicians in office…[/quote]

True, that’s why it’s even remotely tolerated, but that is the most humane and effective decision. California is the capitol of the filibuster. Everything solution gets stalled and nothing ever get done. In the mean time, the inmates are running the asylum. Gangs rule that place. The government buildings are just places to put up flags, but L.A. belongs to MS-13.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:

It’s sort of funny to watch a Puerto Rican stick up for the Mexicans, though. I doubt many Mexicans would reciprocate.[/quote]

Put them in the same neighborhood and they are killing each other…

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[quote]
Drug and gang-related wealth are not legitimate.
I disagree.

Again, we’re back to cultural values. By believing that, you are showing sure signs of belonging to a sick culture.

I hope the medicine doesn’t kill you. The Dr. will see you soon.[/quote]
I disagree because gang and drug related wealth are only considered as such due to a bias against a subculture.

I don’t think cocaine is a positive force in the world, I also don’t think prozac is.

I don’t think it’s right when Latin Kings rob a liquor store, I also don’t think it’s right when the Marine Corps steals Iraqi oil.

Pharmaceutical Companies=Drugs
Military=Gangs

You’re view point is biased in that you are racially collectivist, and set up institutions that only serve and support your interests for your group.

In the past, these excluded and were often repressive towards Latinos.

Thus, here you have it.

[quote]You’re misunderstanding the Latino mindset here.

A pretty high percentage of them are racially collectivistic, meaning when it comes to choosing between their race and principle, they’ll choose race every time. To him, this is about race, no matter how many times you keep repeating the principle.

It’s sort of funny to watch a Puerto Rican stick up for the Mexicans, though. I doubt many Mexicans would reciprocate.[/quote]

That’s bullshit.

If Latinos are collectivist, why are our countries so wrought with schisms?

How can one choose their race, when in our own culture, we have Blacks, Indians, Mixed and Whites?

Your generalizations on a universal Latino character and the assumption that Latins are somehow more cohesive, organized than anglo-saxons and their socially acceptable proxies is ridiculous.

Most white Latinos, mix into the upper American society milieu, Cuban Americans, are better educated and more moneyed than Jews on average, which is quite impressive.

While the Mixed-race, and other castas, form most of the gang element.

To imply that our culture is criminal in it’s most basic format, is ridiculous.

There are as many levels and elements to Latino culture as any other, probably more.

I’ve been sarcastic in this thread, because you all spout your ignorance.

It’s all about the MEXICAN gangs, I don’t even know what that means?

Who are these Mexicans? Are they Chicanos, Illegals? They are obviously not mexicans if they are living in the USA, and many of the illegals are not from Mexico.

I think this whole thing is intense hispanophobia. I don’t understand hispanophobia, it’s just like all other delerious forms of prejudice just worse.

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LA is going to be turned in to the American version of the Palestinian lie. Mexico will point out that the Americans "stole " the land, while bemoaning that the current Latino population is being oppressed. The Mexican government will demand that the city be turned over to and placed under their sovereignty.

I think Fox has basically all but said this. The Mexican government is a joke and “Reconquista” is part of their plan.

“The United States has had no experience with what is now taking place in the American Southwest…This Hispanization…is sometimes called the Reconquista…”

“The possibility looms that in the next generation or so we will see a kind of Chicano Quebec take shape in the American Southwest…” “[Mexican-Americans] could even precipitate a debate over a ‘special relationship’ with Mexico that would make the controversy over the North American Free Trade Agreement look like a college bull session. In the process, Americans could be pitched into a soul-searching redefinition of fundamental ideas such as the meaning of citizenship and national identity.” David Kennedy, Stanford Univ.

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:

Drug and gang-related wealth are not legitimate.
I disagree.

Again, we’re back to cultural values. By believing that, you are showing sure signs of belonging to a sick culture.

I hope the medicine doesn’t kill you. The Dr. will see you soon.
I disagree because gang and drug related wealth are only considered as such due to a bias against a subculture.

I don’t think cocaine is a positive force in the world, I also don’t think prozac is.

I don’t think it’s right when Latin Kings rob a liquor store, I also don’t think it’s right when the Marine Corps steals Iraqi oil.

Pharmaceutical Companies=Drugs
Military=Gangs

You’re view point is biased in that you are racially collectivist, and set up institutions that only serve and support your interests for your group.

In the past, these excluded and were often repressive towards Latinos.

Thus, here you have it.

You’re misunderstanding the Latino mindset here.

A pretty high percentage of them are racially collectivistic, meaning when it comes to choosing between their race and principle, they’ll choose race every time. To him, this is about race, no matter how many times you keep repeating the principle.

It’s sort of funny to watch a Puerto Rican stick up for the Mexicans, though. I doubt many Mexicans would reciprocate.

That’s bullshit.

If Latinos are collectivist, why are our countries so wrought with schisms?

How can one choose their race, when in our own culture, we have Blacks, Indians, Mixed and Whites?

Your generalizations on a universal Latino character and the assumption that Latins are somehow more cohesive, organized than anglo-saxons and their socially acceptable proxies is ridiculous.

Most white Latinos, mix into the upper American society milieu, Cuban Americans, are better educated and more moneyed than Jews on average, which is quite impressive.

While the Mixed-race, and other castas, form most of the gang element.

To imply that our culture is criminal in it’s most basic format, is ridiculous.

There are as many levels and elements to Latino culture as any other, probably more.

I’ve been sarcastic in this thread, because you all spout your ignorance.

It’s all about the MEXICAN gangs, I don’t even know what that means?

Who are these Mexicans? Are they Chicanos, Illegals? They are obviously not mexicans if they are living in the USA, and many of the illegals are not from Mexico.

I think this whole thing is intense hispanophobia. I don’t understand hispanophobia, it’s just like all other delerious forms of prejudice just worse.[/quote]

Right. You’ve jumped in in defense of Mexicans, though you’re a Puerto Rican, and now you’re pretending that there’s not Latino collectivism at work, especially amongst the mestizos.

I also find it interesting that you think that all whites are anglo-saxons. Spaniards would be surprised to hear this, as would Italians and every other European speaking a Romance language.

When you have anything to offer by way of rebuttal besides Latino chauvinism and ad hominem, I’m all ears.

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I didn’t say all whites were Anglo-Saxons. I said, acceptable larger American society, that which most of these biases that you all hold derive from. Is a byproduct of the American Anglo-Saxon view point spread onto their proxies.

Also, I haven’t jumped in defense of Mexicans at all. I’ve actually pointed out that I find it offensive, that individuals assign all this to Mexican when most of those they are speaking of…aren’t even Mexican.

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I live right by the border (Chula Vista), and it seems to me that people only see one side of the illegal immigrant problem.

Most Mexicans (or other Latinos, w/e), see the janitors at the school. They keep it clean. They live in a nearby canyon. They open the bathroom for me if it’s locked.

Most mainstream Americans see the other part. I can barely order at Jack in the Box because the accents are so thick. There’s cholos who ride everywhere with 12 people in the car causing trouble and try to mad dog everyone. And people scream racist and say you hate brown people when you don’t want it around.

I don’t really know what my point is, but I will say: The illegal immigrant problem is a serious problem, mainly because of a failure to assimilate into the culture. Every other group of immigrants has assimilated into the culture, learned the language, stopped being a damn nuisance.

I mean, they petitioned for ELD students (students who learn English as a second language) to get to pass the CAHSEE (California High School Exit Exam), which I could have passed easily in 6th grade. The refusal of the culture to assimilate into a mainly productive part of the American culture is astounding.

And it IS the culture that’s the problem. Mexican parents are much more lax in rules than others (sorry, it’s true), there’s very little respect for authority for illegal immigrants (duh), and in an environment with gang/drug/violence influences, it results in little gang-banging cholos running around everywhere, repping south-side and trying to start fights.

There are good Mexicans, most Mexicans I know fall into that category. But they are more removed from the illegal immigration process. Mandatory social security numbers for workers and the problem is solved.
</long, confused rant thing>

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Cholo is a really offensive word. I see it used pretty commonly tho, I don’t know what that is all about.

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Cholo is a really offensive word. I see it used pretty commonly tho, I don’t know what that is all about.
[/quote]

Maybe to a puerto rican but, to us its not, it means your a gangster, identified by tatoos on neck, head, and hands, bald, dickie shorts or trousers, flannel shirts, wifebeaters, cortez shoes or similar. Most that I grew up around identified themselves in this way, and did not find it at all insulting.