Hate Crime.

[quote]atypical1 wrote:
This is a local story for me so I find it of particular interest. We’ve got a huge Iraqi population here in the county (one of the biggest in the nation) and the thought that a person would single out this particular woman to be a target isn’t necessarily the only scenario to be considered. So when the authorities say that they are investigating all possibilities they are also looking into whether it was family or even someone within the community itself.

james
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That’s a very valid observation. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how this one turns out.

They did say that her daughter was present in the house during the attack, so I also over looked that fact of the story and could very well be something of particular interest in this case.

[quote]atypical1 wrote:
This is a local story for me so I find it of particular interest. We’ve got a huge Iraqi population here in the county (one of the biggest in the nation) and the thought that a person would single out this particular woman to be a target isn’t necessarily the only scenario to be considered. So when the authorities say that they are investigating all possibilities they are also looking into whether it was family or even someone within the community itself.

james
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Don’t forget the fact that if it is deemed a hate crime, the feds take over. I’m sure the local guys really want to good old federal government taking over an investigation in their back yard.

What the scariest thing someone can say? “I’m from the federal government and I’m here to help”.

[quote]therajraj wrote:
saw this posted on FB, very sad

Just wish she hadn’t blamed non-believers…[/quote]

Very sad.

The image of her dead mother in a pool of blood will stay with her forever. I feel for her.

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Yet there are people who try to force the belief down our throats that racism and hate motivated crime is nothing but a distant memory.[/quote]

Indeed.

But don’t you dare mentioning it. You’d be accused of seeing things, hallucinating, pulling the race card, and any ‘‘tactic’’ will be used to shut you down. Shake my fucking head.

Talking about racism, discrimination and hate crime against minorities is a no no because to some people you are saying all whites are bad. Which is not true. It’s as if some people see this as an attack against them. And that’s not the case. They’re so willing to downplay this kind of shit, ignore it and wish for a colorblind world.

There won’t be any colorblind world when discrimination and hate crimes, subtle or blatant, are still happening.

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Thank you. It gets a little tiring seeing people act like we are just seeing things…as if no one here was posting as if racism was so long and dead everyone is just making it up now.

This woman was put through this for no reason…because someone didn’t like her religion, skin color or whatever.

The shit is still here. It may be WAAAAY better than when my grandmother was drinking from black only water fountains, but it still affects many people.

I don’t think there is anything more insulting than implying people are just seeing things.

Quite a number in that thread wrote that being offended means other people need to handle your emotions for you.

That is a load of crap. If this woman’s family is offended, they need to be handled?[/quote]

I think a lot of people just lack perspective on the subject. Like me, for example, I grew up in mostly white suburbia and just a few years ago I believed racism and hate crimes to be a thing of the past.

Then I got engaged to and subsequently married an Egyptian muslim. My perspective quickly changed as I witnessed relatives gawking at my wife’s father simply because he is rather dark in skin color. Some family members won’t even speak to me because I married a muslim. And others, while trying to appear genuine, talk to my wife like she is an alien from another planet.

The list goes on and on but before that I was clueless. I didn’t think the hate still existed like that. I thought we as a whole were free of it. I was really wrong.

I pray to god that when my wife goes to work every day some fucktard doesn’t do what happened to the poor woman in the news story, to my wife. People don’t understand that fear until they live with it.[/quote]

I’m sorry that your wife is being treated this way, but thank you for posting this. Your last sentence is a sentiment that I’ve been trying to get across for a very long time now.[/quote]

In my class I try hard to get my students to look at what underlies what they consider “normal” to see the layers of racism, sexism etc… probably the hardest part is demonstrating how much widely.accepted.“facts” are just opinions that do not hold up under scrutiny.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Thank you. It gets a little tiring seeing people act like we are just seeing things…as if no one here was posting as if racism was so long and dead everyone is just making it up now.

This woman was put through this for no reason…because someone didn’t like her religion, skin color or whatever.

The shit is still here. It may be WAAAAY better than when my grandmother was drinking from black only water fountains, but it still affects many people.

I don’t think there is anything more insulting than implying people are just seeing things.

Quite a number in that thread wrote that being offended means other people need to handle your emotions for you.

That is a load of crap. If this woman’s family is offended, they need to be handled?[/quote]

Oh, just wait, very soon, that young daughter, her siblings and father, and probably the members of her community will all be told to keep their emotions in check and be subjective.

I was even reading some comments mentioning how angry the young girl was in the video, that her mother deserved to be killed, that they should have stayed in Iraq and she could still be alive. Sickening, I tell you. Fucking sickening.

A few people in other blogs have even suggested that is not a hate crime. They said if she had been killed a few months after 9/11 then it would have been a hate crime. Can you comprehend this kind of thinking?? Fucking Unbelievable. Some are even putting the blame on her husband or a neighbour. No, there’s no hate crime in America. We are all seeing things.

Shake my fucking head

[quote]MartyMonster wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
The people involved can give statements but people need to step back before jumping on a statement as a fact. Especially when the person giving the statement might be close to the crime.

And it also has the 2nd effect of poisoning the jury pool. [/quote]

Spot on four60.

[/quote]
x2. Not every multi-racial incident involves racism. That’s just stupid paranoia, no doubt etched in to the sub-concious by paranoid parents, group think and subculture folklore. Of course when an actual hate crime does occur, it’s like lighting a bomb with no fuse, primed and just looking to explode, as if the statistically rare incident is now the standard.

“hate crimes” are a retarded law. lots of crimes are generally out of hate, there should not be special protection for certain groups of individuals. All people should be protected against crimes equally.

For example, this wasn’t a hate crime:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
I think a lot of people just lack perspective on the subject. Like me, for example, I grew up in mostly white suburbia and just a few years ago I believed racism and hate crimes to be a thing of the past.

Then I got engaged to and subsequently married an Egyptian muslim. My perspective quickly changed as I witnessed relatives gawking at my wife’s father simply because he is rather dark in skin color. Some family members won’t even speak to me because I married a muslim. And others, while trying to appear genuine, talk to my wife like she is an alien from another planet.

The list goes on and on but before that I was clueless. I didn’t think the hate still existed like that. I thought we as a whole were free of it. I was really wrong.

I pray to god that when my wife goes to work every day some fucktard doesn’t do what happened to the poor woman in the news story, to my wife. People don’t understand that fear until they live with it.[/quote]

One of my cousins, born and raised French, had a hard time with her husband’s family. Like you, he grew up in white suburbia and thought racism was just a thing from the past. When they began dating, whenever my cousin was being discriminated against, he’d ignore it. According to him, she was seeing things. And he even used to take great offence at the fact that she was pointing out racism. She was French after all, why would she be treated like shit?

When it was time to introduce her to his family, they rejected my cousin and threw her out of their house like an animal. They knew beforehand that she was black, my brother- in- law had told them, but still, they invited her over, just to humiliate her. It didn’t matter that my cousin was French and not an immigrant. It didn’t matter that she had a great career, own a house and car, and was polite and courteous. She was black. And that was the issue. His mother even said she didn’t want the family blood to be spoilt, she didn’t want dark skinned grand -children and that she would disown him if he dared to marry my cousin.

What happened hit him hard. From that day, he began to notice people’s blatant or subtle racist attitude toward his fiancee. My cousin and her husband have now two wonderful 3 years old boys who don’t know their grandparents because they’re still refusing to see them.

It is a sad and sickening that nowadays, people are still being treated differently and even killed because of their race and cultural background. The fact that some people refuse to acknowledge or try to downplay racism makes it even sadder.

I hope you and your wife never go through what the Alawadi family has gone through, Krazy. No one deserves that shit.

^ I’m not sure how Rare it is, but I can understand how a family who feels they are not getting the investigative attention they need for a lost loved one can turn the focus to something that will and can receive Federal Law Enforcement action.

And this is one of the main reasons Hate Crime Laws bug me so. Race, sexual orientation, religious belief can play a part in a crime without it being the main reason the person was killed.

Not all racists are murderers.
Not all Murders involving Different races are race related.

Police are human they can fuck up like anyone else. I do wish victims families had better options other than federal involvement to make sure the police are following the same check list for all crimes that lead to fatalities.

[quote]four60 wrote:
^ I’m not sure how Rare it is, but I can understand how a family who feels they are not getting the investigative attention they need for a lost loved one can turn the focus to something that will and can receive Federal Law Enforcement action.

And this is one of the main reasons Hate Crime Laws bug me so. Race, sexual orientation, religious belief can play a part in a crime without it being the main reason the person was killed.

Not all racists are murderers.
Not all Murders involving Different races are race related.

Police are human they can fuck up like anyone else. I do wish victims families had better options other than federal involvement to make sure the police are following the same check list for all crimes that lead to fatalities.

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It is a law about the mental intent of a person committing a crime which is completely unknowable.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^ I’m not sure how Rare it is, but I can understand how a family who feels they are not getting the investigative attention they need for a lost loved one can turn the focus to something that will and can receive Federal Law Enforcement action.

And this is one of the main reasons Hate Crime Laws bug me so. Race, sexual orientation, religious belief can play a part in a crime without it being the main reason the person was killed.

Not all racists are murderers.
Not all Murders involving Different races are race related.

Police are human they can fuck up like anyone else. I do wish victims families had better options other than federal involvement to make sure the police are following the same check list for all crimes that lead to fatalities.

[/quote]

It is a law about the mental intent of a person committing a crime which is completely unknowable.[/quote]

(Typing this on an iPad sucks, the quotes get mixed up)

Is it “Completely” unknowable or just hard to determine? I see the action of the law as being unfair. Does my loved one deserve less attention by law enforcement because all parties involved shared the same beliefs, color and sexual orientation?

[quote]four60 wrote:
^ I’m not sure how Rare it is, but I can understand how a family who feels they are not getting the investigative attention they need for a lost loved one can turn the focus to something that will and can receive Federal Law Enforcement action.

And this is one of the main reasons Hate Crime Laws bug me so. Race, sexual orientation, religious belief can play a part in a crime without it being the main reason the person was killed.

Not all racists are murderers.
Not all Murders involving Different races are race related.

Police are human they can fuck up like anyone else. I do wish victims families had better options other than federal involvement to make sure the police are following the same check list for all crimes that lead to fatalities.

[/quote]

Ah, sweet sensibility.

And this attitude, coupled with the ability to rationalize the fact that crimes of a truly racist intent are a scarce and dying breed will bring about true perceptions of equality, followed by actual equality at all times simply by letting remnants of a dead era stay in the grave.

You know who I have a shit ton of respect for?

Bill Cosby.

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^ I’m not sure how Rare it is, but I can understand how a family who feels they are not getting the investigative attention they need for a lost loved one can turn the focus to something that will and can receive Federal Law Enforcement action.

And this is one of the main reasons Hate Crime Laws bug me so. Race, sexual orientation, religious belief can play a part in a crime without it being the main reason the person was killed.

Not all racists are murderers.
Not all Murders involving Different races are race related.

Police are human they can fuck up like anyone else. I do wish victims families had better options other than federal involvement to make sure the police are following the same check list for all crimes that lead to fatalities.

[/quote]

It is a law about the mental intent of a person committing a crime which is completely unknowable.[/quote]

(Typing this on an iPad sucks, the quotes get mixed up)

Is it “Completely” unknowable or just hard to determine? I see the action of the law as being unfair. Does my loved one deserve less attention by law enforcement because all parties involved shared the same beliefs, color and sexual orientation?[/quote]

The only evidence you have is what the criminal says they were thinking. what actually went on is entirely unknowable. A white guy could kill a black guy and be a lifelong KKK member and claimed to have been racially motivated when he was really just trying to impress other KKK guys. Or many times a person may be mad and decide to hate someone first, then invent a reason after. It’s a dumb law. Period.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
You know who I have a shit ton of respect for?

Bill Cosby.[/quote]

Its the Jello…isn’t it.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^ I’m not sure how Rare it is, but I can understand how a family who feels they are not getting the investigative attention they need for a lost loved one can turn the focus to something that will and can receive Federal Law Enforcement action.

And this is one of the main reasons Hate Crime Laws bug me so. Race, sexual orientation, religious belief can play a part in a crime without it being the main reason the person was killed.

Not all racists are murderers.
Not all Murders involving Different races are race related.

Police are human they can fuck up like anyone else. I do wish victims families had better options other than federal involvement to make sure the police are following the same check list for all crimes that lead to fatalities.

[/quote]

It is a law about the mental intent of a person committing a crime which is completely unknowable.[/quote]

(Typing this on an iPad sucks, the quotes get mixed up)

Is it “Completely” unknowable or just hard to determine? I see the action of the law as being unfair. Does my loved one deserve less attention by law enforcement because all parties involved shared the same beliefs, color and sexual orientation?[/quote]

The only evidence you have is what the criminal says they were thinking. what actually went on is entirely unknowable. A white guy could kill a black guy and be a lifelong KKK member and claimed to have been racially motivated when he was really just trying to impress other KKK guys. Or many times a person may be mad and decide to hate someone first, then invent a reason after. It’s a dumb law. Period.[/quote]

Well killing a Black male to impress KKK members is a crime based on race. Killing a blonde hair blue eyed guy may not get him the same pat on the back as the Korean store owner up the block.

But I get your point.

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
You know who I have a shit ton of respect for?

Bill Cosby.[/quote]

Its the Jello…isn’t it.[/quote]
You know it.

[quote]Marzouk wrote:
Again, what if it was a white woman and the note said ‘Die white bitch’.
[/quote]

Then it wouldn’t be newsworthy, as it doesn’t fit the media template.

In fact, according to Eric Holder, you can’t have “hate crimes” against white people.

Assuming this was a crime caused by religion (as opposed to cover for yet another “honor killing”), it would be a rarety. (Neither lessons the heinous nature of this crime.)

Statistically, religiously-motivated crimes against muslims are extremely rare in this country, and have (depsite the media lies) has barely changed since 9/11/2001.

In contrast, attacks on Jewish people make 69% of religiously motivated hate crimes in the USA, which is quite the trick given we are 1.8% of the population.

I posted three yesterday spanning the globe: shotting by muslim of Jews on the Brooklyn Bridge (two dead, two injured), murder/shooting of three Jewish little girls and a Rabbi in France by a muslim, and an old Jewish man had his head bashed in with a hammer a couple days ago by a man screaming muslim prayers.

Yes, I am happy to post links if you need them.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Marzouk wrote:
Again, what if it was a white woman and the note said ‘Die white bitch’.
[/quote]

Then it wouldn’t be newsworthy, as it doesn’t fit the media template.

In fact, according to Eric Holder, you can’t have “hate crimes” against white people.

Assuming this was a crime caused by religion (as opposed to cover for yet another “honor killing”), it would be a rarety. (Neither lessons the heinous nature of this crime.)

Statistically, religiously-motivated crimes against muslims are extremely rare in this country, and have (depsite the media lies) has barely changed since 9/11/2001.

In contrast, attacks on Jewish people make 69% of religiously motivated hate crimes in the USA, which is quite the trick given we are 1.8% of the population.

I posted three yesterday spanning the globe: shotting by muslim of Jews on the Brooklyn Bridge (two dead, two injured), murder/shooting of three Jewish little girls and a Rabbi in France by a muslim, and an old Jewish man had his head bashed in with a hammer a couple days ago by a man screaming muslim prayers.

Yes, I am happy to post links if you need them.[/quote]

If these happen within the US they fall under the current Federal “Hate Laws”.