Hardest Thing To Do in Sports

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:
To continue with BodyGuard’s posts on post play, the footwork is def basic. The only reason it may seem difficult when you watch is because 7+ ft’ers generally lack the same fluidity, coordination of which everyone else onthe court has tons.

KG has McHale himself to thank for his footwork and Duncan is considered the best PF ever because of his footwork (and defense) and up until this year, it was a fair knock on Dwight Howard that he hadn’t put in the work to get more comfortable on the block. Finally, he’s arrived offensively.

Its also why Jordan became so devastating on the low block so quickly (and consequently Kobe Bryant as well)
[/quote]

Dwight Howard has not “arrived offensively”. He’s as mechanical and predictable as ever, only now he’s actually trying 12 footers off the glass. He still misses 'em 2/3 of the time. He’s a taller Kevin Willis with longer arms, nothing more. If he played in the 90’s he’d be a backup. He’s putting up decent stats in a center-less league. If he had to contend with the Olajuwon’s, Robinson’s, Ewing’s and Shaq’s of the 90’s he’d get murdered.[/quote]

Cmon man…a back-up? Seriously? Again, list the centers for each team in the league that would have rendered Howard a back-up. Howard would be a starter in any era to present. You are seriously over-estimating the number of skilled centers in the league at any given time. [/quote]

Back-up might also have been hyperbolic, but his numbers would be way down from where they are. He has trouble scoring the ball against todays centers, and if he has to fight against Olajuwon or Ewing for all those rebounds his numbers get fractioned. He’s not getting all those backdoor lobs or tip-dunks, and he has absolutely no offensive moves [outside of a decent left hand]. He is Kevin Willis 2.0, just taller with longer arms.[/quote]
Howard is averaging 23 points a game (#10 in the league) while shooting 59% from the field. How can you call that “trouble scoring the ball against todays centers”?
[/quote]

And he’s doing it off of lobs, offensive boards and wide open shots from 5ft and in. He has one of the most mechanical and awkward offensive games in the league. He’s also allowed to get away with offensive fouling constantly due to him being one of the faces of the league.[/quote]
You can’t be serious. Really? You honestly expect people to believe this garbage?

Answer me this then: why doesn’t EVERY team who has a center who “struggles to score” simply get their center a bunch of lobs, offensive rebounds and wide open shots from 5ft and in?

It should be obvious to anyone that a player averaging > 20ppg (and who commands double teams) doesn’t struggle to score. That really is stupid.

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The hardest thing to do in sports- be a counterpuncher in boxing. It’s the hardest thing to do in the hardest game there is.

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if anyone thinks Wilt ran a legit 4.4 40 yard dash they are:

A. not very knowledgable when it comes to 40’s and sprints in general
B. an idiot
C. completely naive and believe everything you hear
D. all of the above

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The hardest thing to do in sports- be a counterpuncher in boxing. It’s the hardest thing to do in the hardest game there is.[/quote]

Interesting. I just logged in to type the same thing.

In fact, one of the hardest sports to ‘jump’ into. Once you get punched in the face, you realise just how freaking badass it is.

But yes, counterpunching is super hard.

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[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

You are out of your fucking mind if you think Wilt ran a 4.4. They didn’t even test that in his day, and he played basketball, not football. [/quote]

This maybe an Ocean front Property story but the story I heard was Wilt considered switching to football. He did a private tryout with, I think, the coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. The story was he ran fantastic times and made all kinds of amazing catches. He didn’t sign because they wanted him to play wide receiver. He wanted to play quarter back.[/quote]

He also apparently played pro volleyball after he left the NBA.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
if anyone thinks Wilt ran a legit 4.4 40 yard dash they are:

A. not very knowledgable when it comes to 40’s and sprints in general
B. an idiot
C. completely naive and believe everything you hear
D. all of the above[/quote]
I’m sure it was hand timed, so not really legit. But, I bet even a true 4.6 would be better than just about any big in the NBA today.

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http://ezinearticles.com/?Wilt-Chamberlain---Track-and-Field-at-the-University-of-Kansas-(KU)-In-Addition-to-Basketball&id=4113288

More stuff on Wilt.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
if anyone thinks Wilt ran a legit 4.4 40 yard dash they are:

A. not very knowledgable when it comes to 40’s and sprints in general
B. an idiot
C. completely naive and believe everything you hear
D. all of the above[/quote]
I’m sure it was hand timed, so not really legit. But, I bet even a true 4.6 would be better than just about any big in the NBA today.[/quote]

I agree. I dont know of any 7 footers in the NBA that are funning 4.6’s. I would be absolutely shocked if anyone could.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Wilt-Chamberlain---Track-and-Field-at-the-University-of-Kansas-(KU)-In-Addition-to-Basketball&id=4113288

More stuff on Wilt.[/quote]

that article said that Wilt had a 22 foot STANDING BROAD JUMP!! The world record is 11.4 feet lol

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Wilt-Chamberlain---Track-and-Field-at-the-University-of-Kansas-(KU)-In-Addition-to-Basketball&id=4113288

More stuff on Wilt.[/quote]

that article said that Wilt had a 22 foot STANDING BROAD JUMP!! The world record is 11.4 feet lol[/quote]

Some of the shit on Wilt is fucking retarded. This clown Oboile is posting this shit as if it were even plausible. Wilt himself claimed to have a 50" vertical despite the fact he never had it tested, and also claimed to hold the benchpress record at Kansas even though there are no records of him doing what he claimed. I’m not even gonna argue with this joker anymore.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:
To continue with BodyGuard’s posts on post play, the footwork is def basic. The only reason it may seem difficult when you watch is because 7+ ft’ers generally lack the same fluidity, coordination of which everyone else onthe court has tons.

KG has McHale himself to thank for his footwork and Duncan is considered the best PF ever because of his footwork (and defense) and up until this year, it was a fair knock on Dwight Howard that he hadn’t put in the work to get more comfortable on the block. Finally, he’s arrived offensively.

Its also why Jordan became so devastating on the low block so quickly (and consequently Kobe Bryant as well)
[/quote]

Dwight Howard has not “arrived offensively”. He’s as mechanical and predictable as ever, only now he’s actually trying 12 footers off the glass. He still misses 'em 2/3 of the time. He’s a taller Kevin Willis with longer arms, nothing more. If he played in the 90’s he’d be a backup. He’s putting up decent stats in a center-less league. If he had to contend with the Olajuwon’s, Robinson’s, Ewing’s and Shaq’s of the 90’s he’d get murdered.[/quote]

Cmon man…a back-up? Seriously? Again, list the centers for each team in the league that would have rendered Howard a back-up. Howard would be a starter in any era to present. You are seriously over-estimating the number of skilled centers in the league at any given time. [/quote]

Back-up might also have been hyperbolic, but his numbers would be way down from where they are. He has trouble scoring the ball against todays centers, and if he has to fight against Olajuwon or Ewing for all those rebounds his numbers get fractioned. He’s not getting all those backdoor lobs or tip-dunks, and he has absolutely no offensive moves [outside of a decent left hand]. He is Kevin Willis 2.0, just taller with longer arms.[/quote]
Howard is averaging 23 points a game (#10 in the league) while shooting 59% from the field. How can you call that “trouble scoring the ball against todays centers”?
[/quote]

And he’s doing it off of lobs, offensive boards and wide open shots from 5ft and in. He has one of the most mechanical and awkward offensive games in the league. He’s also allowed to get away with offensive fouling constantly due to him being one of the faces of the league.[/quote]
You can’t be serious. Really? You honestly expect people to believe this garbage?

Answer me this then: why doesn’t EVERY team who has a center who “struggles to score” simply get their center a bunch of lobs, offensive rebounds and wide open shots from 5ft and in?

It should be obvious to anyone that a player averaging > 20ppg (and who commands double teams) doesn’t struggle to score. That really is stupid.[/quote]

Because not every team has a center that’s as strong and athletic as Howard. Look at Howards stats when they play the Rockets. They’re way down due to Ming’s height and length taking away a great deal of Howards “moves”.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

You are out of your fucking mind if you think Wilt ran a 4.4. They didn’t even test that in his day, and he played basketball, not football. I already addressed his high jump career at Kansas, and when you look at his numbers they are not impressive. A lot of Wilt’s physical achievements are greatly overstated to add to his legend. If you truly believe any of that nonsense I’ve got some ocean front property in Arizona for sale. I’ll cut you a great price.[/quote]

Out of curiosity, I had to look up the high jump stat. They only listed one of the years that he won it at 6’6". My teammate on the track team jumped 6’10 when I was in high school 15 years ago. Damn they sucked at jumping back then lol. [/quote]

That was kind of my point. Not only would Wilt not be on the court today, he wouldn’t be on the track either. Wilt himself claimed a lot of pretty out there shit, yet none of it was ever proven. I have an OLD NBA book where Nate Thurmond basically calls Wilt a pathological liar, haha.
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Not be on the court? Dude, seriously you’re wrong. I suggest you review the list of centers in the league again.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:
To continue with BodyGuard’s posts on post play, the footwork is def basic. The only reason it may seem difficult when you watch is because 7+ ft’ers generally lack the same fluidity, coordination of which everyone else onthe court has tons.

KG has McHale himself to thank for his footwork and Duncan is considered the best PF ever because of his footwork (and defense) and up until this year, it was a fair knock on Dwight Howard that he hadn’t put in the work to get more comfortable on the block. Finally, he’s arrived offensively.

Its also why Jordan became so devastating on the low block so quickly (and consequently Kobe Bryant as well)
[/quote]

Dwight Howard has not “arrived offensively”. He’s as mechanical and predictable as ever, only now he’s actually trying 12 footers off the glass. He still misses 'em 2/3 of the time. He’s a taller Kevin Willis with longer arms, nothing more. If he played in the 90’s he’d be a backup. He’s putting up decent stats in a center-less league. If he had to contend with the Olajuwon’s, Robinson’s, Ewing’s and Shaq’s of the 90’s he’d get murdered.[/quote]

Cmon man…a back-up? Seriously? Again, list the centers for each team in the league that would have rendered Howard a back-up. Howard would be a starter in any era to present. You are seriously over-estimating the number of skilled centers in the league at any given time. [/quote]

Back-up might also have been hyperbolic, but his numbers would be way down from where they are. He has trouble scoring the ball against todays centers, and if he has to fight against Olajuwon or Ewing for all those rebounds his numbers get fractioned. He’s not getting all those backdoor lobs or tip-dunks, and he has absolutely no offensive moves [outside of a decent left hand]. He is Kevin Willis 2.0, just taller with longer arms.[/quote]
Howard is averaging 23 points a game (#10 in the league) while shooting 59% from the field. How can you call that “trouble scoring the ball against todays centers”?
[/quote]

And he’s doing it off of lobs, offensive boards and wide open shots from 5ft and in. He has one of the most mechanical and awkward offensive games in the league. He’s also allowed to get away with offensive fouling constantly due to him being one of the faces of the league.[/quote]
You can’t be serious. Really? You honestly expect people to believe this garbage?

Answer me this then: why doesn’t EVERY team who has a center who “struggles to score” simply get their center a bunch of lobs, offensive rebounds and wide open shots from 5ft and in?

It should be obvious to anyone that a player averaging > 20ppg (and who commands double teams) doesn’t struggle to score. That really is stupid.[/quote]

Because not every team has a center that’s as strong and athletic as Howard. Look at Howards stats when they play the Rockets. They’re way down due to Ming’s height and length taking away a great deal of Howards “moves”.[/quote]

But all your arguments operate under this false logic that because at any given era, there may have been a few centers equal to or better than Howard, or even Wilt, that they “would not be in the league”, or “not be a starter” or, “not average the same points, etc.” Your conclusions are patently wrong. Again, you’d be well served to really look at the roster of centers in the 90’s and now. If a guy has trouble with centers on 3 teams, he’s still beating the shit out of the other 25.

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Ya Wilt ran a 4.4 40 just like he had sex with 20,000 different women.

It’s awesome that this stat is brought up now, the weekend of the NFL combine, where probably less than a dozen kids who train their whole life to do so, will run a 4.4.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:
This gets over-looked because these athletes make it look easy. Keep in mind, the average person would have difficulty ever even managing to do a handstand on the ground. That takes a little practice. Even less would manage to do it on a bar, and far less would ever hope to turn on the bar in mid-handstand.

I would say the hardest single thing you could possibly do is catching the second bar mid-twist after flying off the first and then managing to get yourself into a hand-stand with that momentum. Many people have permanently injured themselves just trying to learn it because it’s difficult to swing the right distance.

check out 40 sec in.[/quote]

I agree that the above has to be harder than hitting any ball used in professional sports with any ball-hitting implement used in professional sports.

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Beating Jimmer

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:
To continue with BodyGuard’s posts on post play, the footwork is def basic. The only reason it may seem difficult when you watch is because 7+ ft’ers generally lack the same fluidity, coordination of which everyone else onthe court has tons.

KG has McHale himself to thank for his footwork and Duncan is considered the best PF ever because of his footwork (and defense) and up until this year, it was a fair knock on Dwight Howard that he hadn’t put in the work to get more comfortable on the block. Finally, he’s arrived offensively.

Its also why Jordan became so devastating on the low block so quickly (and consequently Kobe Bryant as well)
[/quote]

Dwight Howard has not “arrived offensively”. He’s as mechanical and predictable as ever, only now he’s actually trying 12 footers off the glass. He still misses 'em 2/3 of the time. He’s a taller Kevin Willis with longer arms, nothing more. If he played in the 90’s he’d be a backup. He’s putting up decent stats in a center-less league. If he had to contend with the Olajuwon’s, Robinson’s, Ewing’s and Shaq’s of the 90’s he’d get murdered.[/quote]

Cmon man…a back-up? Seriously? Again, list the centers for each team in the league that would have rendered Howard a back-up. Howard would be a starter in any era to present. You are seriously over-estimating the number of skilled centers in the league at any given time. [/quote]

Back-up might also have been hyperbolic, but his numbers would be way down from where they are. He has trouble scoring the ball against todays centers, and if he has to fight against Olajuwon or Ewing for all those rebounds his numbers get fractioned. He’s not getting all those backdoor lobs or tip-dunks, and he has absolutely no offensive moves [outside of a decent left hand]. He is Kevin Willis 2.0, just taller with longer arms.[/quote]
Howard is averaging 23 points a game (#10 in the league) while shooting 59% from the field. How can you call that “trouble scoring the ball against todays centers”?
[/quote]

And he’s doing it off of lobs, offensive boards and wide open shots from 5ft and in. He has one of the most mechanical and awkward offensive games in the league. He’s also allowed to get away with offensive fouling constantly due to him being one of the faces of the league.[/quote]
You can’t be serious. Really? You honestly expect people to believe this garbage?

Answer me this then: why doesn’t EVERY team who has a center who “struggles to score” simply get their center a bunch of lobs, offensive rebounds and wide open shots from 5ft and in?

It should be obvious to anyone that a player averaging > 20ppg (and who commands double teams) doesn’t struggle to score. That really is stupid.[/quote]

Because not every team has a center that’s as strong and athletic as Howard. Look at Howards stats when they play the Rockets. They’re way down due to Ming’s height and length taking away a great deal of Howards “moves”.[/quote]

But all your arguments operate under this false logic that because at any given era, there may have been a few centers equal to or better than Howard, or even Wilt, that they “would not be in the league”, or “not be a starter” or, “not average the same points, etc.” Your conclusions are patently wrong. Again, you’d be well served to really look at the roster of centers in the 90’s and now. If a guy has trouble with centers on 3 teams, he’s still beating the shit out of the other 25.[/quote]

Every 7 footer today thinks they’re Kevin Garnett. The few who don’t give Howard trouble. If he played in a league that still had true back to the bucket centers he’d be in a world of trouble. If Wilt played in a league with 7 footers who moved like 2-guards he’d be in a world of trouble as well. Don’t know what else to say or how else to put it. We’re clearly not gonna agree. Still like talking ball, and sports and general.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:
To continue with BodyGuard’s posts on post play, the footwork is def basic. The only reason it may seem difficult when you watch is because 7+ ft’ers generally lack the same fluidity, coordination of which everyone else onthe court has tons.

KG has McHale himself to thank for his footwork and Duncan is considered the best PF ever because of his footwork (and defense) and up until this year, it was a fair knock on Dwight Howard that he hadn’t put in the work to get more comfortable on the block. Finally, he’s arrived offensively.

Its also why Jordan became so devastating on the low block so quickly (and consequently Kobe Bryant as well)
[/quote]

Dwight Howard has not “arrived offensively”. He’s as mechanical and predictable as ever, only now he’s actually trying 12 footers off the glass. He still misses 'em 2/3 of the time. He’s a taller Kevin Willis with longer arms, nothing more. If he played in the 90’s he’d be a backup. He’s putting up decent stats in a center-less league. If he had to contend with the Olajuwon’s, Robinson’s, Ewing’s and Shaq’s of the 90’s he’d get murdered.[/quote]

Cmon man…a back-up? Seriously? Again, list the centers for each team in the league that would have rendered Howard a back-up. Howard would be a starter in any era to present. You are seriously over-estimating the number of skilled centers in the league at any given time. [/quote]

Back-up might also have been hyperbolic, but his numbers would be way down from where they are. He has trouble scoring the ball against todays centers, and if he has to fight against Olajuwon or Ewing for all those rebounds his numbers get fractioned. He’s not getting all those backdoor lobs or tip-dunks, and he has absolutely no offensive moves [outside of a decent left hand]. He is Kevin Willis 2.0, just taller with longer arms.[/quote]
Howard is averaging 23 points a game (#10 in the league) while shooting 59% from the field. How can you call that “trouble scoring the ball against todays centers”?
[/quote]

And he’s doing it off of lobs, offensive boards and wide open shots from 5ft and in. He has one of the most mechanical and awkward offensive games in the league. He’s also allowed to get away with offensive fouling constantly due to him being one of the faces of the league.[/quote]
You can’t be serious. Really? You honestly expect people to believe this garbage?

Answer me this then: why doesn’t EVERY team who has a center who “struggles to score” simply get their center a bunch of lobs, offensive rebounds and wide open shots from 5ft and in?

It should be obvious to anyone that a player averaging > 20ppg (and who commands double teams) doesn’t struggle to score. That really is stupid.[/quote]

Because not every team has a center that’s as strong and athletic as Howard. Look at Howards stats when they play the Rockets. They’re way down due to Ming’s height and length taking away a great deal of Howards “moves”.[/quote]

But all your arguments operate under this false logic that because at any given era, there may have been a few centers equal to or better than Howard, or even Wilt, that they “would not be in the league”, or “not be a starter” or, “not average the same points, etc.” Your conclusions are patently wrong. Again, you’d be well served to really look at the roster of centers in the 90’s and now. If a guy has trouble with centers on 3 teams, he’s still beating the shit out of the other 25.[/quote]

Every 7 footer today thinks they’re Kevin Garnett. The few who don’t give Howard trouble. If he played in a league that still had true back to the bucket centers he’d be in a world of trouble. If Wilt played in a league with 7 footers who moved like 2-guards he’d be in a world of trouble as well. Don’t know what else to say or how else to put it. We’re clearly not gonna agree. Still like talking ball, and sports and general.[/quote]

7 footers moving like 2 guards? I assure you that’s not happening - no matter how much basketball you watch or how many times you might have stepped on the playground with a professional. And I said it before and I’ll say it again (and you’re ignoring it) - look at the rosters in the 90’s, now. and whenever and tell me exactly who all these gazelle-like back-to-the-basket 7 foot centers are. Go ahead…I’ll wait.

No, we’re not going to agree, but you’re making outrageous unsupported statements which do differ from “opinion”. Seriously, start naming these centers please.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:
To continue with BodyGuard’s posts on post play, the footwork is def basic. The only reason it may seem difficult when you watch is because 7+ ft’ers generally lack the same fluidity, coordination of which everyone else onthe court has tons.

KG has McHale himself to thank for his footwork and Duncan is considered the best PF ever because of his footwork (and defense) and up until this year, it was a fair knock on Dwight Howard that he hadn’t put in the work to get more comfortable on the block. Finally, he’s arrived offensively.

Its also why Jordan became so devastating on the low block so quickly (and consequently Kobe Bryant as well)
[/quote]

Dwight Howard has not “arrived offensively”. He’s as mechanical and predictable as ever, only now he’s actually trying 12 footers off the glass. He still misses 'em 2/3 of the time. He’s a taller Kevin Willis with longer arms, nothing more. If he played in the 90’s he’d be a backup. He’s putting up decent stats in a center-less league. If he had to contend with the Olajuwon’s, Robinson’s, Ewing’s and Shaq’s of the 90’s he’d get murdered.[/quote]

Cmon man…a back-up? Seriously? Again, list the centers for each team in the league that would have rendered Howard a back-up. Howard would be a starter in any era to present. You are seriously over-estimating the number of skilled centers in the league at any given time. [/quote]

Back-up might also have been hyperbolic, but his numbers would be way down from where they are. He has trouble scoring the ball against todays centers, and if he has to fight against Olajuwon or Ewing for all those rebounds his numbers get fractioned. He’s not getting all those backdoor lobs or tip-dunks, and he has absolutely no offensive moves [outside of a decent left hand]. He is Kevin Willis 2.0, just taller with longer arms.[/quote]
Howard is averaging 23 points a game (#10 in the league) while shooting 59% from the field. How can you call that “trouble scoring the ball against todays centers”?
[/quote]

And he’s doing it off of lobs, offensive boards and wide open shots from 5ft and in. He has one of the most mechanical and awkward offensive games in the league. He’s also allowed to get away with offensive fouling constantly due to him being one of the faces of the league.[/quote]
You can’t be serious. Really? You honestly expect people to believe this garbage?

Answer me this then: why doesn’t EVERY team who has a center who “struggles to score” simply get their center a bunch of lobs, offensive rebounds and wide open shots from 5ft and in?

It should be obvious to anyone that a player averaging > 20ppg (and who commands double teams) doesn’t struggle to score. That really is stupid.[/quote]

Because not every team has a center that’s as strong and athletic as Howard. Look at Howards stats when they play the Rockets. They’re way down due to Ming’s height and length taking away a great deal of Howards “moves”.[/quote]

But all your arguments operate under this false logic that because at any given era, there may have been a few centers equal to or better than Howard, or even Wilt, that they “would not be in the league”, or “not be a starter” or, “not average the same points, etc.” Your conclusions are patently wrong. Again, you’d be well served to really look at the roster of centers in the 90’s and now. If a guy has trouble with centers on 3 teams, he’s still beating the shit out of the other 25.[/quote]

Every 7 footer today thinks they’re Kevin Garnett. The few who don’t give Howard trouble. If he played in a league that still had true back to the bucket centers he’d be in a world of trouble. If Wilt played in a league with 7 footers who moved like 2-guards he’d be in a world of trouble as well. Don’t know what else to say or how else to put it. We’re clearly not gonna agree. Still like talking ball, and sports and general.[/quote]

7 footers moving like 2 guards? I assure you that’s not happening - no matter how much basketball you watch or how many times you might have stepped on the playground with a professional. And I said it before and I’ll say it again (and you’re ignoring it) - look at the rosters in the 90’s, now. and whenever and tell me exactly who all these gazelle-like back-to-the-basket 7 foot centers are. Go ahead…I’ll wait.

No, we’re not going to agree, but you’re making outrageous unsupported statements which do differ from “opinion”. Seriously, start naming these centers please. [/quote]

For someone who said they’d stop arguing a couple of pages ago you sure seem to have a hard-on for this. Olajuwon was incredibaly quick/fast/athletic, and made a habit of chasing down point guards on the break to block their shots. Robinson was in the same boat. Ewing and Shaq weren’t quite that athletic, but were still ridiculously fluid for men of their size. That’s just 4 people. Kevin Duckworth was pretty damn nimble for aguy that ate himself out of the league. Fucking Rik Smits would’ve looked gazelle-like against Wilt. Now, I’m done arguing about this. I’ve answered the question several times but you don’t like the answer so you keep bringing it back up. If we don’t agree, fine, but let it go.

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I think Nowitzski is the most versatile big man in the league.

And I was a huge fan of 'Zo in the 90s. One of my favorites to watch back then.