Haiti

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
…I believe proportionately we do give less than other developed nations in terms of our wealth however. I believe thats a well documented statistic, but it’s irrelevant…[/quote]

You are referring to a statistic that measures the amount of aid given by GOVERNMENTS. That statistic does NOT include the amounts given by INDIVIDUALS and PRIVATE CHARITIES. When those other entities are taken into account the aid given by the U.S. absolutely dwarfs “the competition,” no matter how you slice it or dice it.
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Interesting claim.

Numbers please.

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[quote]dennis3k wrote:
It’s amazing how if some stupid actress dies (whatever her name was in the last month) it get’s tons of attention on the forums, but if an estimated 30,000-100,000 people die in a poor country it doesn’t really get any attention on here.[/quote]

Do you truly care about a whole bunch of strangers who die? If you do, why? Natural disasters happen a lot. Are we supposed to sit and wring our hands and moan to the heavens?

What would you expect us to do anyway? Post pics of us in tears and wearing black?

Go ahead and write a cheque, if it makes you feel better. Of course, realize that Haiti is such a corrupt place that most of the relief supplies will simply be confiscated by some robber chieftain. Your money will buy some sleaze ball a limo. Congratulations!!

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[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]thefederalist wrote:
umm, dude. you’ve been on here too long to not realize that the guys on here couldn’t give a shit about an island of poor blacks. not to mention, fox is giving this minimal coverage. coincidence? i think not. [/quote]

You are nothing if not consistent.

Eighteen posts, virtually all negative in nature, and less than one month on the board do not really qualify you as a judge of character for ANYONE on here.

As a matter of fact, I have been involved a good portion of the day in helping to access and organize relief efforts for my church to help in this tragedy.

We are a mere month or two away from the completion of an orphans’ village in Haiti, paid for entirely by our congregation. It is composed of thirty six homes, a school and a church for orphans, all for the purpose of relieving suffering and giving hope to a people who desperately need it. We are as of yet unsure as to the damage received or whether any of those we know and love are injured or dead as a result of this tragedy.

Just out of curiosity, what have you done today to make a difference?[/quote]

He showed us what a giant e-penis he has. He also told us that we’re racists. That counts for something, doesn’t it?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Google the Robertson video. He specifically spoke of the 19th century Haitians that threw off the yoke of Napoleon NOT the present day people including the innocent children.

I don’t know about the “pact with the devil.” I didn’t research it.[/quote]

You need to research “pact with the devil”???

I can dismiss it as a bunch of bullshit, right off the bat. But maybe you think that a nation can possibly make a “pact with the devil” (which leads to being forsaken by God, I suppose)?

Seriously? You think that’s a possibility?

Take your time, maybe do some research… LOL

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Rush Limbaugh is telling people NOT to donate to the Haiti relief efforts… see, you already donated to Haiti because any foreign aid we make as a nation is included as part of your federal taxes.

Wow.

Look, don’t contribute to the relief efforts if you don’t want to, that’s an individual choice. But for Rush to use his media platform to tell millions of people that they already contributed to Haiti, so don’t bother making any donations to the Red Cross in the middle of a crisis… that’s fucking sick.

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K2000,
Do you just wake up in the morning spewing hate and rage, yearning to justify yourself to the world?
Five posts so far, in rapid fire procession, all seemingly in either a hateful, condescending or dismissive tone.
Why not use the intellect that you obviously think you have to contribute something helpful, educational or inspirational. Not many critics change the world.

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Pat Robertson’s comments:

White House calls Robertson’s Haiti comment ‘stupid’
Pat Robertson (file image)
Mr Robertson made the comments on his programme

The White House has dismissed as “stupid” comments by evangelist broadcaster Pat Robertson suggesting that quake-struck Haiti was cursed.

Spokesman Robert Gibbs said he was amazed by the remarks.

During a broadcast on his Christian Broadcasting Network, Mr Robertson suggested the Haiti’s earthquake was divine retribution.

He said Haiti had sworn a pact with the devil when it freed itself from French colonial rule.

[u]The White House said the comments were completely inappropriate.

“It never ceases to amaze, that in times of amazing human suffering, somebody says something that could be so utterly stupid,” Mr Gibbs said.

“But it, like clockwork, happens with some regularity.” [/u]

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]dennis3k wrote:
It’s amazing how if some stupid actress dies (whatever her name was in the last month) it get’s tons of attention on the forums, but if an estimated 30,000-100,000 people die in a poor country it doesn’t really get any attention on here.[/quote]

Do you truly care about a whole bunch of strangers who die? If you do, why? Natural disasters happen a lot. Are we supposed to sit and wring our hands and moan to the heavens?

What would you expect us to do anyway? Post pics of us in tears and wearing black?

Go ahead and write a cheque, if it makes you feel better. Of course, realize that Haiti is such a corrupt place that most of the relief supplies will simply be confiscated by some robber chieftain. Your money will buy some sleaze ball a limo. Congratulations!!
[/quote]

No, I don’t expect selfish idiots to give a rat’s ass when something bad happens to strangers, I was just looking to start a conversation. If you don’t think its worth mentioning and is of no concern to the rest of the world because they’re a poor third world country with a high crime rate then…why should the rest of the world give a damn about things that happen in the U.S.? I mean people still wine about the travesty that was 9/11…nothing personal meant against anyone that lost someone. Just because there’s bad people doesn’t mean there aren’t good one’s in that mix also that deserve some aide, and just because you’re a selfish idiot that doesn’t seem to see past their own nose doesn’t mean other’s aren’t so, shut the fuck up.

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
Rush Limbaugh is telling people NOT to donate to the Haiti relief efforts… see, you already donated to Haiti because any foreign aid we make as a nation is included as part of your federal taxes.

Wow.

Look, don’t contribute to the relief efforts if you don’t want to, that’s an individual choice. But for Rush to use his media platform to tell millions of people that they already contributed to Haiti, so don’t bother making any donations to the Red Cross in the middle of a crisis… that’s fucking sick.

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Here is a link that expands on Rush’s comments, now I don’t like the guy by any means and think he is a blowhard. But the comment was prompted by a caller who was asking why the Prez wanted people to go through whitehouse.org in order to donate? I have to agree with the statement why go through the white house to donate (as in be a part of the government donation, which he is correct you already are doing that). I would much prefer to go through a private charity or the Red Cross.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail??blogid=95&entry_id=55312

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[quote]davidcox1 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
yo guyz I herd praying aint working[/quote]

Neither is spell check. Never the less, how many atheist organizations running out there to help? None? Don’t worry, we’ll get it.[/quote]

There are a lot of secular organizations engaged in aid relief, and most of them will be in Haiti. A prime example, the Red Cross, which despite its name is not a “Christian” organization, is indeed running out there to help. What’s your point–that atheists like to see people suffer? If that is your point, you are just plain wrong.[/quote]

Red cross is not secular.

I am just saying as a general rule they claim to do no harm in the world, but they don’t do any good either.
This is just my observation. I don’t have quatifiable facts to back it up and don’t give enough of a fuck to look it up. There is certainly no love your neighbor mantra flowing from any atheist organizations. I am not talking secular, I am talking atheist. That is not the same thing.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]davidcox1 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
yo guyz I herd praying aint working[/quote]

Neither is spell check. Never the less, how many atheist organizations running out there to help? None? Don’t worry, we’ll get it.[/quote]

There are a lot of secular organizations engaged in aid relief, and most of them will be in Haiti. A prime example, the Red Cross, which despite its name is not a “Christian” organization, is indeed running out there to help. What’s your point–that atheists like to see people suffer? If that is your point, you are just plain wrong.[/quote]

Red cross is not secular.

I am just saying as a general rule they claim to do no harm in the world, but they don’t do any good either.
This is just my observation. I don’t have quatifiable facts to back it up and don’t give enough of a fuck to look it up. There is certainly no love your neighbor mantra flowing from any atheist organizations. I am not talking secular, I am talking atheist. That is not the same thing.[/quote]

Well, it is kind of hard to organize a charity in the name of no god.

It just does not make for a good rallying cry.

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[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:
Rush Limbaugh is telling people NOT to donate to the Haiti relief efforts… see, you already donated to Haiti because any foreign aid we make as a nation is included as part of your federal taxes.

Wow.

Look, don’t contribute to the relief efforts if you don’t want to, that’s an individual choice. But for Rush to use his media platform to tell millions of people that they already contributed to Haiti, so don’t bother making any donations to the Red Cross in the middle of a crisis… that’s fucking sick.

[/quote]

Here is a link that expands on Rush’s comments, now I don’t like the guy by any means and think he is a blowhard. But the comment was prompted by a caller who was asking why the Prez wanted people to go through whitehouse.org in order to donate? I have to agree with the statement why go through the white house to donate (as in be a part of the government donation, which he is correct you already are doing that). I would much prefer to go through a private charity or the Red Cross.[/quote]

Here’s what’s on the whitehouse.org: information on contributing via text message, a link to rhe Red Cross and a link to USAID’s Center for International Disaster Information. That’s it. And it didn’t even take much effort to find that out, so you or the fat druggie could probably have done the same thing.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/haitiearthquake_embed

[quote]On January 12, 2010, a massive earthquake struck the nation of Haiti, causing catastrophic damage inside and around the capital city of Port-au-Prince. President Obama has promised the people of Haiti that “you will not be forsaken; you will not be forgotten.” The United States Government has mobilized resources and manpower to aid in the relief effort. Here are some ways that you can get involved.
Donate
Financial Donations
Donate $10 to the American Red Cross â?? charged to your cell phone bill â?? by texting “HAITI” to “90999.”
Contribute online to the Red Cross
Find more ways to help through the Center for International Disaster Information.[/quote]

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Hopefully water has been rationed by now.

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Pat Robertson’s comments:

White House calls Robertson’s Haiti comment ‘stupid’
Pat Robertson (file image)
Mr Robertson made the comments on his programme

The White House has dismissed as “stupid” comments by evangelist broadcaster Pat Robertson suggesting that quake-struck Haiti was cursed.

Spokesman Robert Gibbs said he was amazed by the remarks.

During a broadcast on his Christian Broadcasting Network, Mr Robertson suggested the Haiti’s earthquake was divine retribution.

He said Haiti had sworn a pact with the devil when it freed itself from French colonial rule.

[u]The White House said the comments were completely inappropriate.

“It never ceases to amaze, that in times of amazing human suffering, somebody says something that could be so utterly stupid,” Mr Gibbs said.

“But it, like clockwork, happens with some regularity.” [/u]

[/quote]

Why do people watch this idiot?

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
Rush Limbaugh is telling people NOT to donate to the Haiti relief efforts… see, you already donated to Haiti because any foreign aid we make as a nation is included as part of your federal taxes.

Wow.

Look, don’t contribute to the relief efforts if you don’t want to, that’s an individual choice. But for Rush to use his media platform to tell millions of people that they already contributed to Haiti, so don’t bother making any donations to the Red Cross in the middle of a crisis… that’s fucking sick.

[/quote]

You want to provide a link to those words he spoke? Because what I heard was nothing like that.
There is no mandate to like Rush, but don’t make shit up to prove it. Made up shit doesn’t hold water and is easily debunked.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Pat Robertson’s comments:

White House calls Robertson’s Haiti comment ‘stupid’
Pat Robertson (file image)
Mr Robertson made the comments on his programme

The White House has dismissed as “stupid” comments by evangelist broadcaster Pat Robertson suggesting that quake-struck Haiti was cursed.

Spokesman Robert Gibbs said he was amazed by the remarks.

During a broadcast on his Christian Broadcasting Network, Mr Robertson suggested the Haiti’s earthquake was divine retribution.

He said Haiti had sworn a pact with the devil when it freed itself from French colonial rule.

[u]The White House said the comments were completely inappropriate.

“It never ceases to amaze, that in times of amazing human suffering, somebody says something that could be so utterly stupid,” Mr Gibbs said.

“But it, like clockwork, happens with some regularity.” [/u]

[/quote]

Why do people watch this idiot?

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I don’t watch this idiot, but he is not saying what people are accusing him of either. They damn sure seem cursed, I tell you that. No I am not saying they deserve anything either, I am saying the opposite, they deserve a break from tragedy.
He is not saying this is divine retribution, but that if you make a pact with the devil then the devil is in control. Whether or not you believe in such a thing doesn’t matter. He is not saying that these people deserve or brought upon themselves this misery. He is saying the devil is in control of this place and is responsible for their misery.

In his reference to this being a “blessing in disguise”, that a new prosperous nation may rise from the ashes of this tragedy. That is not a bad sentiment either.

In both cases these are consistent with evangelical view points. You make a deal with the devil, he will bring misery and destruction. Further, there is no senseless suffering, that no matter what the suffering will lead to a greater good. These are not purposefully mean statements.

Robert Gibbs really doesn’t have a leg to stand on, because he has said some stupid shit himeself. He is not the orator his boss is. He has the eloquence of rusty bucket. Second, he should have chose to just not comment, it’s really not important enough to draw the attention of the white house.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Pat Robertson’s comments:

White House calls Robertson’s Haiti comment ‘stupid’
Pat Robertson (file image)
Mr Robertson made the comments on his programme

The White House has dismissed as “stupid” comments by evangelist broadcaster Pat Robertson suggesting that quake-struck Haiti was cursed.

Spokesman Robert Gibbs said he was amazed by the remarks.

During a broadcast on his Christian Broadcasting Network, Mr Robertson suggested the Haiti’s earthquake was divine retribution.

He said Haiti had sworn a pact with the devil when it freed itself from French colonial rule.

[u]The White House said the comments were completely inappropriate.

“It never ceases to amaze, that in times of amazing human suffering, somebody says something that could be so utterly stupid,” Mr Gibbs said.

“But it, like clockwork, happens with some regularity.” [/u]

[/quote]

Why do people watch this idiot?

[/quote]

I don’t watch this idiot, but he is not saying what people are accusing him of either. They damn sure seem cursed, I tell you that. No I am not saying they deserve anything either, I am saying the opposite, they deserve a break from tragedy.
He is not saying this is divine retribution, but that if you make a pact with the devil then the devil is in control. Whether or not you believe in such a thing doesn’t matter. He is not saying that these people deserve or brought upon themselves this misery. He is saying the devil is in control of this place and is responsible for their misery.

In his reference to this being a “blessing in disguise”, that a new prosperous nation may rise from the ashes of this tragedy. That is not a bad sentiment either.

In both cases these are consistent with evangelical view points. You make a deal with the devil, he will bring misery and destruction. Further, there is no senseless suffering, that no matter what the suffering will lead to a greater good. These are not purposefully mean statements.

Robert Gibbs really doesn’t have a leg to stand on, because he has said some stupid shit himeself. He is not the orator his boss is. He has the eloquence of rusty bucket. Second, he should have chose to just not comment, it’s really not important enough to draw the attention of the white house. [/quote]

Supposing the devil does exist, how can one prove that the Haitians made a pact with him?

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
yo guyz I herd praying aint working[/quote]

Neither is spell check. Never the less, how many atheist organizations running out there to help? None? Don’t worry, we’ll get it.[/quote]

Yep, already sent my dough to the CRS.org

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[quote]dennis3k wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]dennis3k wrote:
It’s amazing how if some stupid actress dies (whatever her name was in the last month) it get’s tons of attention on the forums, but if an estimated 30,000-100,000 people die in a poor country it doesn’t really get any attention on here.[/quote]

Do you truly care about a whole bunch of strangers who die? If you do, why? Natural disasters happen a lot. Are we supposed to sit and wring our hands and moan to the heavens?

What would you expect us to do anyway? Post pics of us in tears and wearing black?

Go ahead and write a cheque, if it makes you feel better. Of course, realize that Haiti is such a corrupt place that most of the relief supplies will simply be confiscated by some robber chieftain. Your money will buy some sleaze ball a limo. Congratulations!!
[/quote]

No, I don’t expect selfish idiots to give a rat’s ass when something bad happens to strangers, I was just looking to start a conversation. If you don’t think its worth mentioning and is of no concern to the rest of the world because they’re a poor third world country with a high crime rate then…why should the rest of the world give a damn about things that happen in the U.S.? I mean people still wine about the travesty that was 9/11…nothing personal meant against anyone that lost someone. Just because there’s bad people doesn’t mean there aren’t good one’s in that mix also that deserve some aide, and just because you’re a selfish idiot that doesn’t seem to see past their own nose doesn’t mean other’s aren’t so, shut the fuck up.[/quote]

Why does the tragedy of someone else imply some sort of moral obligation on the part of another?

“To think of yourself…well, that just being selfish. But to put others first, why, that’s moral and good.”

Why? If enjoying myself is bad, why is causing enjoyment in another person good?

Unselfishness is evil in its essence.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]davidcox1 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
yo guyz I herd praying aint working[/quote]

Neither is spell check. Never the less, how many atheist organizations running out there to help? None? Don’t worry, we’ll get it.[/quote]

There are a lot of secular organizations engaged in aid relief, and most of them will be in Haiti. A prime example, the Red Cross, which despite its name is not a “Christian” organization, is indeed running out there to help. What’s your point–that atheists like to see people suffer? If that is your point, you are just plain wrong.[/quote]

Red cross is not secular.

I am just saying as a general rule they claim to do no harm in the world, but they don’t do any good either.
This is just my observation. I don’t have quatifiable facts to back it up and don’t give enough of a fuck to look it up. There is certainly no love your neighbor mantra flowing from any atheist organizations. I am not talking secular, I am talking atheist. That is not the same thing.[/quote]

Well, it is kind of hard to organize a charity in the name of no god.

It just does not make for a good rallying cry.

[/quote]

Yet the Hell’s Angels do Toys for Tots and the Black Panthers had free pancake breakfasts. Atheist can’t even come up with one single thing.