Habitable Planet Found!

Grneyes · October 11, 2010, 4:20pm

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Guns, Germs, and Steel brought up the fact that at the optimal latitude, Eurasia and North America had the most cultivatable land.
More agriculture = Greater population, plus exposure to various diseases from being in close contact with domesticated animals = greater immune system. Somewhat related as well, there was only so many animals that have been able to be domesticated, sheep, goat, cow, pig, horse, Arabian camel, Bactrian camel, llama and alpaca, donkey, reindeer, water buffalo, yak, Bali cattle, and Mithan (gayal, domesticated Gaur). I tihnk chicken should be added to that list but maybe not. This limits food supply as well, which limits potential population.
(source: Diamond (Jared) Guns Germs and Steel Summary)
Another item that I believe was mentioned in the book, was that having winter in Eurasia, man had to be more innovative than in more temperate climates, and time spent indoors during winter allowed for more time to be spent on inventing machines/tools/etc.
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Yes! This was very fascinating to me! When he mentioned the lack of horses in America, I was shocked! You always equate Native Americans with horses so to find out that they weren’t here until Europeans brought them was amazing. You can only do so much with limited resources, it doesn’t matter if you have the genius of Einstein or Newton, if you don’t have the resources that genius is wasted.

I think it would be awesome to travel to a new planet and see what would happen. Would we make the same mistakes or learn from here and try to build a better society that isn’t so detrimental to the planet? Would we try to give back to the planet what we take from it?

Brother_Chris · October 12, 2010, 12:30am

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
People get so angry when you point out that the father of their belief was closer to a KKK member than the guy who figured it all out.

Never said Races of Man was a book, I said it was FROM his book.
My thinking is “fucked up” because you can quote what you learned in 9th grade. You can capitalize NATURAL SELECTION all you want. But you contradict yourself because, according to NATURAL SELECTION, blacks were only SELECTED to be oppressed. This is a disgusting way of thinking.
You can’t cherry pick what you like and dislike about the theory, and at the same time not acknowledge the theory’s creator.
Hitler’s basis for his beliefs/actions were directly attributed to natural selection and evolution of man. A “Master Race” to rule all the not as evolved races. Disgusting. Repulsive.

I make a conscious effort to not believe in anything that Hitler believed in.

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Actually Hitler got his superman theory from Friedrich Nietzsche. Yes, he used Darwin’s work, but very badly “used” it. As he misused it. [/quote]

Hitler referred to anyone lower than the master class as “Lower-Types”. He used Natural Selection as justification for killing every ethic/religious/socail group he saw fit. To dispute this is irresponsible.
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I did not dispute it. Hitler perverted Darwin’s work, is that somehow Darwin’s fault?

duffyj2 · October 12, 2010, 9:45am

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
Nice post. But I don’t see the point in arguing with someone who could write the following two blatantly contradictory lines…

"3. You can’t cherry pick what you like and dislike about the theory, and at the same time not acknowledge the theory’s creator.

Hitler’s basis for his beliefs/actions were directly attributed to natural selection and evolution of man. A “Master Race” to rule all the not as evolved races. Disgusting. Repulsive."
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In the case of #3, this is not contradictory. You cant like a book and not know who wrote it.

And I’m not sure what the problem with #4 is. I believe that Hitler and the theory of evolution and all it encompasses are both repulsive and disgusting.

Evolutionist thinking justifies all selfish actions of a man and a nation. The world would be a lot better off embracing a way of life that judges people by their character and not the color of their skin. I will leave it at that.

Edit: The Descent of Man, Charles Darwin, in the chapter “Races of Man”

I’m not angry about this discussion, but everyone else seems to be. Telling people to shut the fuck up because you do not agree with them is not a great way of displaying your intellectual edge.[/quote]

Um, contradict each other. Why do you think I bothered to pick out two lines?

Anyway, do you think that Hitler read all he could find on the theory of evolution and intelligently came to his own conclusions, or do you think he just picked out what suited his own demented mind?

I should point out that if you believe the former option, you are a retard.

BobParr · October 12, 2010, 3:41pm

[quote]duffyj2 wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
Nice post. But I don’t see the point in arguing with someone who could write the following two blatantly contradictory lines…

"3. You can’t cherry pick what you like and dislike about the theory, and at the same time not acknowledge the theory’s creator.

Hitler’s basis for his beliefs/actions were directly attributed to natural selection and evolution of man. A “Master Race” to rule all the not as evolved races. Disgusting. Repulsive."
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In the case of #3, this is not contradictory. You cant like a book and not know who wrote it.

And I’m not sure what the problem with #4 is. I believe that Hitler and the theory of evolution and all it encompasses are both repulsive and disgusting.

Evolutionist thinking justifies all selfish actions of a man and a nation. The world would be a lot better off embracing a way of life that judges people by their character and not the color of their skin. I will leave it at that.

Edit: The Descent of Man, Charles Darwin, in the chapter “Races of Man”

I’m not angry about this discussion, but everyone else seems to be. Telling people to shut the fuck up because you do not agree with them is not a great way of displaying your intellectual edge.[/quote]

Um, contradict each other. Why do you think I bothered to pick out two lines?

Anyway, do you think that Hitler read all he could find on the theory of evolution and intelligently came to his own conclusions, or do you think he just picked out what suited his own demented mind?

I should point out that if you believe the former option, you are a retard.[/quote]

It’s dangerous to reject a notion just because it’s held (or possibly even misused) by someone who’s reprehensible. For example, I’m sure a lot of imprisoned rapists/murderers love weight training much like I do. With this kind of thinking, I should abandon my second-favorite hobby because some people who I violently disagree with practice it too? That would be retarded. That Hitler may have liked Darwin’s theories (and tried to misapply them) doesn’t tell me anything at all about the value of those theories.

RSGZ · October 12, 2010, 4:03pm

"President Obama signs $19 billion NASA funding bill into law

The basic details of the bill have been known for some time now, but President Obama has only just today signed the NASA Authorization Act of 2010 into law, which allocates $19 billion in funding for the space agency and signals a shift to commercial spacecraft for transporting astronauts to the International Space Station.

NASA will hardly be relying on private spacecraft altogether, however, as the bill also gives NASA the go-ahead to develop a heavy lift rocket for deep space exploration (possibly to launch by the end of 2016), and it gives NASA a mandate to continue operating the International Space Station itself until 2020 – not to mention fly one additional shuttle mission to it next year. Curious to know every last detail? You can find the complete 42-page bill at the source link below."

Grneyes · October 12, 2010, 4:06pm

[quote]RSGZ wrote:
"President Obama signs $19 billion NASA funding bill into law

The basic details of the bill have been known for some time now, but President Obama has only just today signed the NASA Authorization Act of 2010 into law, which allocates $19 billion in funding for the space agency and signals a shift to commercial spacecraft for transporting astronauts to the International Space Station. NASA will hardly be relying on private spacecraft altogether, however, as the bill also gives NASA the go-ahead to develop a heavy lift rocket for deep space exploration (possibly to launch by the end of 2016), and it gives NASA a mandate to continue operating the International Space Station itself until 2020 – not to mention fly one additional shuttle mission to it next year. Curious to know every last detail? You can find the complete 42-page bill at the source link below."

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/president-obama-signs-19-billion-nasa-funding-bill-into-law/[/quote]

Huh, I thought he was getting rid of the shuttle program? All they’ve talked about is the layoffs because of this bill.

Sarev0k · October 12, 2010, 4:56pm

[quote]BobParr wrote:

[quote]duffyj2 wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
Nice post. But I don’t see the point in arguing with someone who could write the following two blatantly contradictory lines…

"3. You can’t cherry pick what you like and dislike about the theory, and at the same time not acknowledge the theory’s creator.

Hitler’s basis for his beliefs/actions were directly attributed to natural selection and evolution of man. A “Master Race” to rule all the not as evolved races. Disgusting. Repulsive."
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