I think I have taken enough iodine to replenish my stores. My temperature has improved, but I have noticed something strange. If I take my temperature in my mouth it is generally between 95-97 degrees, sometimes as low as 93. If I take it in my armpit it is always in the 97’s.
I thought this was strange so I had my gf try it out. She consistently had 98’s when taking temperature in her mouth and consistently had 97’s when using her armpit.
Anyone know what to make of this?
Core body temperatures are higher than arm pits. But with oral, cannot be talking, eating, drinking or training etc before taking the reading.
You did not mention time of day.
Tell us how many mg’s so far. “I think I have taken enough iodine to replenish my stores.”
[quote]KSman wrote:
Core body temperatures are higher than arm pits. But with oral, cannot be talking, eating, drinking or training etc before taking the reading.
You did not mention time of day.
Tell us how many mg’s so far. “I think I have taken enough iodine to replenish my stores.”[/quote]
I have taken them at all different times throughout the day. This is what I generally notice:
Morning armpit is 96-97 degrees
Afternoon armpit 97-97.5
Evening armpit is 97-98
Morning mouth is 94-95
Afternoon mouth is 94-96
Evening mouth is 95-96.5
(I workout mid afternoon to evening’s)
I avoid talking, eating and drinking when taking my temperatures. So I don’t know what’s up with my mouth temperature. I am tempted to shove the thermometer up my ass just to get an accurate reading for once. My armpit temperature I would say has increased on average by one whole degree though since starting iodine.
My total iodine intake has been 35*33mg tabletes for 1155mg total. Should I continue til the full 1500mg is reached? Do you recommend continuing to supplement with iodine EOD to maintain?
I would drop to maintenance doses. Can’t split 33mg very easily, but see what you can do and do not take every day. You cannot now be iodine deficient. With that out of the way…
How are you feeling different?
Yes, the situation is confusing. Something else may be going on. Time for thyroid labs and perhaps rT3 is keeping temps down. rT3 can be elevated from adrenal fatigue which then involves your history of stress, accidents, job loss, surgeries, infections and how your mind and body currently react to major stress events.
Does your GF eat the same food as you, iodized salt intake etc?
[quote]KSman wrote:
I would drop to maintenance doses. Can’t split 33mg very easily, but see what you can do and do not take every day. You cannot now be iodine deficient. With that out of the way…
How are you feeling different?
Yes, the situation is confusing. Something else may be going on. Time for thyroid labs and perhaps rT3 is keeping temps down. rT3 can be elevated from adrenal fatigue which then involves your history of stress, accidents, job loss, surgeries, infections and how your mind and body currently react to major stress events.
Does your GF eat the same food as you, iodized salt intake etc?[/quote]
I am not sure I notice a whole lot of difference, but to be honest I wasn’t quite sure what I was suppose to notice anyway. I will say I have been recovering from my workouts better, but I think that has more to do with starting to take Rhodiola to manage my adrenals better. Like I noted earlier I really think the adrenals are going to be the crux of my issue. Besides the adaptogens I upped my Vitamin C to 1 gram per day, and have been focusing on improving my sleep quality. Aside from that, is there anything you recommend for adrenal support?
Libido is still good. I know what a shot libido feels like after going too high of a dosage with Letro. That was awful. I have also been making some steady muscle gains as of recent. Ultimately, in 2-3 weeks when I am able to set up a blood test it will take all the guess work out that I am currently doing.
My GF’s diet reflects mine more and more the longer we are together. But I don’t think she consumes hardly any iodine from her diet either.
See if GF reports anything with iodine.
Have you read Wilson’s book on Adrenal Fatigue?
[quote]KSman wrote:
See if GF reports anything with iodine.
Have you read Wilson’s book on Adrenal Fatigue?
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She nor I is aware of anything she consumes that would have iodine. Doesn’t use much salt either.
I actually have read some of it when I was younger as my parents recommended it to me. I even tried one of his products for awhile. All I remember was there being ashwagandha in it.
What are your thoughts on that or licorice root?
I think that you should read the book, there is a lot more there than this or that herbal. See if the book is “talking about you”.
Your parents recommended that? There are two stories there, your genetic doners needed to read it and they also saw that maybe you should too.
Update:
Read Wilson’s book. Some helpful stuff in there. Although it was mostly lifestyle changes recommended- reduce stress, more sleep, no caffeine, etc. I am trying 3 of his products right now. Adrenal Rebuilder, Adrenal Support Formula, Adrenal Power. I have noticed a slight overall decrease in fatigue throughout the day, but that is about it. He recommend’s at least 6 months on everything and I have been on them probably 1.5-2 months. The very few times I do have caffeine I tolerate it much better now. It used to almost always make me feel more tired, especially if I had a large dose.
I met with the doc for a refill in my albuterol prescription and was able to get my lab work from about 3 years ago. Here are the numbers:
Cholesterol- 188.0 mg/dl - Range 0.0-200.0
Triglycerides- 65.0 mg/dl - Range 35.0-150.0
HDL- 61.0 - Range 40.0-100.0
LDLC- 113.0 m/dl - Range 0.0-130.0
CHOL/dHDL Ratio 3.1 - Range 0.0-5.0
Glucose- 95.0 mg/dl - Range 70-110
Total Testosterone- 652.4 - Range 280-800 ng/dl
Estradiol- 37.8 pg/ml - Range 10-42
Estrone- 47.5 pg/ml - Range 9-36
Estrogen, Total- 85.3 pg/ml- Range 19-69
I know that you have likely figured out a possible root cause to your problem with KSman but I thought I would commment on your original question. I developed gyno approx four years ago without any prohormone or AAS use. It was long before I was diagnosed with Low T and was likely the time when my T first started dropping.
I firmly believe that a small percentage of guys like myself are highly sensitive to gyno as I have developed a surgical case a second time on 7.5 grams of Androgel. At the time my T levels were still in the low normal range. I did not think that I was suffering from other E2 sides as I was not particulary lethargic and I still had a decent libido. My endo feels that my breast tissue is highly sensitive and has contributed to my continuing gyno issues. I also experienced gyno during puberty that resolved itself. BTW-I live in Canada and am not able to have my estradiol levels tested.
[quote]Hook24 wrote:
I know that you have likely figured out a possible root cause to your problem with KSman but I thought I would commment on your original question. I developed gyno approx four years ago without any prohormone or AAS use. It was long before I was diagnosed with Low T and was likely the time when my T first started dropping.
I firmly believe that a small percentage of guys like myself are highly sensitive to gyno as I have developed a surgical case a second time on 7.5 grams of Androgel. At the time my T levels were still in the low normal range. I did not think that I was suffering from other E2 sides as I was not particulary lethargic and I still had a decent libido. My endo feels that my breast tissue is highly sensitive and has contributed to my continuing gyno issues. I also experienced gyno during puberty that resolved itself. BTW-I live in Canada and am not able to have my estradiol levels tested.[/quote]
Interesting. Considering that I don’t really perceive any high E symptoms, besides fatigue (which I figure is probably adrenal related) I may have slightly elevated E2 which is what my blood test shows and then overly sensitive receptors in my chest.
Have you ever tried using a SERM to see how it affected your fat distribution for your chest? My chest fat is not proportional to the rest of my body, and it is the biggest cause of me investigating my hormone levels. I have tried an AI with not much of an effect and that may be because my T was already normal and my E was only slightly elevated, not enough to make a noticeable difference.
Maybe I should consider using a SERM & AI to see if affects fat distribution in my chest and improves my E levels. Along with continuing my adrenal treatment.
Just wanted to make an update to this thread:
I fixed my sleeping issues and thus my fatigue issues. I learned to breathe my nose all day instead of mouth breathing. Then I ordered a head strap to keep my mouth closed during sleep at night, forcing me to breathe through my nose. The effects were immediate and profound. I can’t believe it was something so simply. It has been about a year since made this change and my energy levels throughout the day are so much better.
In the mean time I picked up some good insurance through my employer and had some blood work done. Here are the results:
Total Test: 595 (160-853 ng/dl)
Free Test: 11.5 (9.3-26.5 pg/ml)
Estradiol: 29.6 (7.6-42.6 pg/ml)
Estrone: 69 (12-72 pg/ml)
Total Estrogen 128 (40-115 pg/ml)
Again these numbers kind of jive with my symptoms. I don’t feel any perceived effects of high estrogen. Only cosmetically. Some mild gynocemastia and extra fat distribution in the chest. I have built a pretty good physique and have a healthy libido. I am not too concerned with my test levels, maybe just the lowish free test.
I have a sneaking suspicion that I have a lot of bound test to SHBG because of the discrepancy between my total and free test. It might also explain my high estrone levels but fairly normal estradiol.
So my theory goes like this: I am aromatizing too much test into estrogen and androstenedione to estrone, but I have higher free levels of estrone because SHBG has a higher binding affinity for estradiol. This would explain my normal total test levels and lower than average free test levels. The excess SHBG is then a response to my over aromatization.
KSman? Anyone agree or disagree?
Also, could someone help explain the deal with ranges? I have tried to do some research on this and havent had much luck.
My understanding of it as now is that if you say have a level of:
600 in a range of (200-800 ng/dl)
that would be a better number than:
600 in a range of (150-1000 ng/dl)
Am I wrong? Is a 600 reading a 600 reading no matter the range? That can’t be right.
It seems if that isn’t the case then its better to establish that you should be at a certain percentage of high end number. Like say being at 75% of the high end number would be considered good.
Anyway, thanks for any responses I get.
I am going to see an endo next Friday, and considering he doesn’t specialize in sex hormones I am not expecting much help from him.
Due to my most recent labs, I am thinking I have high levels of SHBG, maybe prolactin, and due to some lowish body temperature ranges high 96’s and low 97’s I may have subclinical hypothyroidism. Here are the labs I am going to request:
Bioavailable T
Prolactin
TSH
fT3
fT4
rT4
I didn’t figure it was worth asking for SHBG, because I can determine how much T I have bound based off of my prior TT and FT measurements combined with the Bio T measurement. Is there any labs I should add? Should I do FT and TT again even though I had it done two months ago?
I have puffy nipples 3rd week into test e cycle? It won’t let me start a thread. I’m already on o.5adex from the start eod. There not bad but to me slightly puffy. Can I add novladex until sides go? Pm me please