I dont think you got sold genuine oxandrolone my friend, you wouldnt NOT have thos eissues 
Fact.
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Iāve never read anything on exactly how to dose letro, but from personal experience, starting with very small dosages (.625 EOD, for example) and slowly increasing from there to assess your own tolerance has worked magically for me. I like to use an ED schedule as much as possible, but, EOD seems to be a viable option as well.
Letrozole is VERY powerful (I can attest, trust me), but also a wonderful drug when you can find you own personal tolerance level.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Iāve never read anything on exactly how to dose letro, but from personal experience, starting with very small dosages (.625 EOD, for example) and slowly increasing from there to assess your own tolerance has worked magically for me. I like to use an ED schedule as much as possible, but, EOD seems to be a viable option as well.
Letrozole is VERY powerful (I can attest, trust me), but also a wonderful drug when you can find you own personal tolerance level.[/quote]
X2. Very well said as usual big C.
UPDATEā¦
I decided to blind myself on the facts of the blood tests. So I would not be influenced in any way just to keep everything fair and honest.
Ok my Dr sent me to an endocrinologist. She said everything is pretty much in my head. That I do have breast tissue development right now. But its not active. But I told her this comes and goes. Anyways. She said based on the results from the blood work she seeās which her and her assistant hovered over like a fresh kill she is going to monitor the situation. She had me go for another blood test right after the appointment.
So with out further ā¦here are the results comment away
2009/01/16
All test measured pmol/L
Free Testosterone 38.0
Creatine 96
eGFR 84
Bilirubin 3
Sodium 142
Potassium 3.7
Chloride 105
Alkaline Phosphatase 83
CK 193
ALT 28
sTSH 1.47
LH 2
DHEAS 8.6
FSH 3
Prolactin 8
Estradiol 109
The rest go into hematology will post if requestedā¦
I am stuck with what to do next ā¦this pretty much mirrors the last time I was like this.
The problem is they always test me when I donāt have symptoms.
Hey DB do you have the reference ranges??
That E2 level is way out of the park at 102. I dont recall the exact range but nothing lower than 20 and I think 40-50. Someone feel free to correct.
I would start aded immediately at .25mg EOD and go back and get tested in 3-4 weeks to tell how accurate that dosage is for your particular case.
Regadarding the gyno you already have if its been there for a long time any sort of AI/SERM therapy is going to do little to nothing for it. Some people have had luck with letro getting rid of some that hasnt been formed for too long of time. However it is a very harsh and strong drug. It will drop your estrogen levels to near nothing with achy joints and other issues as well.
OK here are the results with ranges
Free Testosterone 38.0 31.0 - 94.0 pmol/L
Creatinine 96 60.0 - 110.0 umol/L
LH = 2 1 - 9 IU/L
DHEAS = 8.6 2.6 - 7.7 IU/L
FSH = 3 1 - 12 IU/L
Prolactin = 8 less then 18 ug/L
Estradiol = 109 less then 161 pmol/L
sTSH = 1.47 0.35 - 5.00 mIU/L
ALT = 28 less then 46 U/L
Here are the important ones but E2 was not on the list of things checked but who knows what the Endo tested.
So far the suggestion of adex has been brought out.
Basically I just want to normalize the values.
Considering my test is in the low range that really concerns me. Also the FSH & LH levels are in the low range as well. From my reading this is not good either. Is there no way to get this looking better?
If I have to do this by what ever means I am game.
I was thinking of finding Mesterolone (Proviron). It might help with everything I am experiencing but it might not. Any input?
I believe Estradiol is the same as E2 although testing precision varies considerably. It can be difficult to get an accuarate male reading since this test is geared to women. I know KSman says optimal E2 is around the 20-25 level so yours may well be high.
Proviron may be helpful. My doc recommended it to me to bring down SHBG. Trial and error may be the way to go. Same goes with cabergoline and low dose Adex (0.5mg/w in split doses) or Letro.
PM KSman for more insight.
Estradiol 109 pmol/L /3.671 = 29.7pg/ml ; this is not very high and does not explain your gyno. But you will feel better if you lower this and your T levels should then improve.
FT is probably 10.95 pg/ml, quite low.
LH and FSH are low as well, so testes may not be the problem.
Please outline what drugs you take, Rx, OTC, stimulants, supplements, alcohol etc. Any habitual consumption of grapefruit, soy, sesame seed. What liniments or lotions? These can lead to increased E, thus lowering T and FT.
We do not know your TT. That can be illustrative of total T output even when SHBG may be making FT inordinately low.
An SERM will help reduce gyno on an event basis, but should not be used long term. SERMs do not lower E levels and typically increase E levels. Some tissues will see the increase E and may lead to symptoms [libido, mood] of increased E. Best to control E levels with an AI to get an optimal level near 22pg/ml and then use an SERM to shrink the gyno. Different SERMs have different estrogenic side effects.
You can try 0.5mg adex per week dosed EOD if you conclude that you are not going to get effective medical care. You can do your own male profile labs at LEF.org as well as standalone serum E2. This can get E2 to optimal levels. But you may also need a SERM to shrink the gyno. Yes, you could use an AI does that wipes out your E, but then your libido and mood would probably be worse. Note that the adex dose needed when on an SERM will be more than without. So lab work done when on an SERM will not be useful for refining an adex dose for long term use.
Do you know what an adex over responder is and the implications? Search for āover responderā or āover-responderā. With adex, you can front load with 1mg then start the EOD dosing two days later.
I was asked by KSman for a listing of all things I might put into my body as per supplementation or anything else.
Cytosport Complete Whey, got it free so why not. Previous to this was PVL Mutant Mass. This helped with gains in fats and carbs when bulking. Normal intake is about 2 or 3 a day depending on schedule for work outs. Both are complete with BCAA profiles.
I take Omega-3 fish oil caps. 2 caps 3 times a day.
The only other āweirdā thing is a Ivory moisterising body wash with 1/4 hydrogen peroxide to prevent acne. Since this began I have found it helps out. And use of tanning bed 2 times a week for 5 mins.
I first got gyno (small puffiness and lump) on my second injection of pharm sust 250 in the second week.
I ceased the cycle and started tamoxifen. it could not be seen.
Ihave done a Deca 400/Test 750 and dbol 350/wk cycle and BOOOOOM! gyno bigger than before.
I caesed the cycle and added arimidex running 500mg v/wk omna for mintenance. Its like i never got it.
Next time i will have caber for my sex drive which dropped and a high quality AI. The stuff i had was when C1 were having a bad spell in quality - they rectified the problem and it is C1 i am using now and even recommend.
If you dont know what C1 is - dont ask!
thought that may help. Sorry if it didnt.
[quote] Brook wrote:
I first got gyno (small puffiness and lump) on my second injection of pharm sust 250 in the second week.
I ceased the cycle and started tamoxifen. it could not be seen.
Ihave done a Deca 400/Test 750 and dbol 350/wk cycle and BOOOOOM! gyno bigger than before.
I caesed the cycle and added arimidex running 500mg v/wk omna for mintenance. Its like i never got it.
Next time i will have caber for my sex drive which dropped and a high quality AI. The stuff i had was when C1 were having a bad spell in quality - they rectified the problem and it is C1 i am using now and even recommend.
If you dont know what C1 is - dont ask!
thought that may help. Sorry if it didnt.[/quote]
Thanks Brook that does help