[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
If I could think of other things to use periworkout and throughout the day to get high protein snacks in that don’t break the bank I wouldn’t use protein powders. This is a new to me powder so it may just be an issue on this specific one. I can’t remember if I had run out of the previous kind before I started to really dive into all this so I don’t know how that affected me.[/quote]
BCAAs dawg[/quote]
how much protein are you taking a day? I actually was given a bunch of BCAA tabs by a buddy who didn’t want them. They are the biggest pills I’ve ever seen haha. It’s like trying to swallow a piece of gravel produced by Optimum Nutrition
[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:
Two issues w/ pro-biotics:
before the industrial revolution, nobody ate artificial ingredients or took antibiotics (kill good bacteria as well as bad, like carpet bombing), so whole food sources were enough to maintain
you need to get the good bacteria through the stomach - where stomach acid will kill them - and into the intestine. The calcium of yogurt, for example, neutralizes stomach acid for a while; however, if you eat a bunch of other food before or along with it, you slow the gastric emptying, giving the acid time to kill the probiotics. If taking a pill, take it on an empty stomach, and wait a while before eating. Even yogurt would be best first thing in the a.m. for this reason. [/quote]
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
If I could think of other things to use periworkout and throughout the day to get high protein snacks in that don’t break the bank I wouldn’t use protein powders. This is a new to me powder so it may just be an issue on this specific one. I can’t remember if I had run out of the previous kind before I started to really dive into all this so I don’t know how that affected me.[/quote]
BCAAs dawg[/quote]
how much protein are you taking a day? I actually was given a bunch of BCAA tabs by a buddy who didn’t want them. They are the biggest pills I’ve ever seen haha. It’s like trying to swallow a piece of gravel produced by Optimum Nutrition[/quote]
I got some powder from a company I probably couldn’t name. I drink 20g when I am training fasted, which is sometimes, and every now and then I’ll drink 20g if I’ve not eaten very well that day. Like today for example I’ve been eating loads of crap because the weather’s nice here and that never happens, so I’ve been using BCAAs kinda like protein shakes to bump up my intake. I don’t do that very often though.
I’ve had them in pill form and it’s a nightmare! Having to swallow 20 pills the size of brazil nuts before your workout is a pain in the arse.
Got my hand on some kefir grains finally so started to make my own kefir. It’s going to take me a little time to adjust. I’m trying 2 different ways of doing it- removing grains and refrigerating or removing grains, leaving out another day, and then refrigerating. The latter method supposedly helps eliminate some of the lactose within the milk which I feel like may be more beneficial that the former.
I still haven’t really determined if lactose is really an issue for me but I suppose I could start trying to determine it. I think I am going to try and pick up some fermented sauerkraut too and have a little of that throughout the day. I’m going to throw so many probiotics and such at myself my body will be forced to clean house.
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
Got my hand on some kefir grains finally so started to make my own kefir. It’s going to take me a little time to adjust. I’m trying 2 different ways of doing it- removing grains and refrigerating or removing grains, leaving out another day, and then refrigerating. The latter method supposedly helps eliminate some of the lactose within the milk which I feel like may be more beneficial that the former.
I still haven’t really determined if lactose is really an issue for me but I suppose I could start trying to determine it. I think I am going to try and pick up some fermented sauerkraut too and have a little of that throughout the day. I’m going to throw so many probiotics and such at myself my body will be forced to clean house.[/quote]
Good luck - let us know how it goes!
Fermented kraut is really easy to make too - just shred up some fresh cabbage and pack it in to a jar with pure salt (kosher salt, pickling salt etc.) and place a lid loosely on top, store it in a cool, dark, dry place and check it every few days…when it smells and tastes krauty it’s done! Look up sandor katz wild fermentation kraut for a good recipe in terms of the ratio of salt. You can also add in other veggies, beets, radishes, kale, garlic etc.
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
Got my hand on some kefir grains finally so started to make my own kefir. It’s going to take me a little time to adjust. I’m trying 2 different ways of doing it- removing grains and refrigerating or removing grains, leaving out another day, and then refrigerating. The latter method supposedly helps eliminate some of the lactose within the milk which I feel like may be more beneficial that the former.
I still haven’t really determined if lactose is really an issue for me but I suppose I could start trying to determine it. I think I am going to try and pick up some fermented sauerkraut too and have a little of that throughout the day. I’m going to throw so many probiotics and such at myself my body will be forced to clean house.[/quote]
Good luck - let us know how it goes!
Fermented kraut is really easy to make too - just shred up some fresh cabbage and pack it in to a jar with pure salt (kosher salt, pickling salt etc.) and place a lid loosely on top, store it in a cool, dark, dry place and check it every few days…when it smells and tastes krauty it’s done! Look up sandor katz wild fermentation kraut for a good recipe in terms of the ratio of salt. You can also add in other veggies, beets, radishes, kale, garlic etc.[/quote]
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
Got my hand on some kefir grains finally so started to make my own kefir. It’s going to take me a little time to adjust. I’m trying 2 different ways of doing it- removing grains and refrigerating or removing grains, leaving out another day, and then refrigerating. The latter method supposedly helps eliminate some of the lactose within the milk which I feel like may be more beneficial that the former.
I still haven’t really determined if lactose is really an issue for me but I suppose I could start trying to determine it. I think I am going to try and pick up some fermented sauerkraut too and have a little of that throughout the day. I’m going to throw so many probiotics and such at myself my body will be forced to clean house.[/quote]
Good luck - let us know how it goes!
Fermented kraut is really easy to make too - just shred up some fresh cabbage and pack it in to a jar with pure salt (kosher salt, pickling salt etc.) and place a lid loosely on top, store it in a cool, dark, dry place and check it every few days…when it smells and tastes krauty it’s done! Look up sandor katz wild fermentation kraut for a good recipe in terms of the ratio of salt. You can also add in other veggies, beets, radishes, kale, garlic etc.[/quote]
I’d be way too scared to try that!
Leave a jar to go rank, then eat it? No thanks!
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[quote]rds63799 wrote:
the back of my fridge must be full of probiotics![/quote]
Haha… especially if you unplug your fridge and let it get warm! You will have a cheaper and almost unlimited supply of probiotics. Just make sure to feed it some milk or something like to keep it growing
RDS - have you experimented with any fermented foods yet? For the first time in years I am dealing with bloat and gas and infrequent bowel movements. Not constipation, just 2-3 days sometimes before I go when it used to be at least once a day, sometimes twice. Anyway, I know my gut health is probably littered with bad bacteria. Been reading quite a bit about it.
The one thing that most people do not realize (I know I didn’t) is that when GI issues begin to happen people automatically jump to “You need more fiber in your diet.” Bacteria as a whole (good or bad) proliferate when you introduce fiber. So if your gut has been overrun with the bad bacteria you are essentially pouring fuel on a fire by going fiber rich. Seems as though the fiber needs to be reduced drastically and then focus on the gut health (good bacteria) and then feed it fiber once things are in order.
So, I have been reading alot of stuff from Dr. Mercola and there are a few good reads on fermented foods, their importance, where to get them, and even how to make them yourself. I am leery about the probiotic supplementation just because it is so hard to find a good one that isn’t already dead when you buy it or is so weak that your stomach acid kills it all before reaching the promised land. I have the same concern about the fermented foods that you find in the retail stores.
Seems that most take steps and measures for commercialization and cost that diminish their effectiveness. The natural probiotic via fermented foods that you make yourself or get from whole foods stores seems like the best and most natural way to do it if you can stand the taste, flavor, etc, etc.
Just thinking out loud here and wondering what experiences others have had with the fermented stuff
Seems that most take steps and measures for commercialization and cost that diminish their effectiveness. The natural probiotic via fermented foods that you make yourself or get from whole foods stores seems like the best and most natural way to do it if you can stand the taste, flavor, etc, etc.
Just thinking out loud here and wondering what experiences others have had with the fermented stuff[/quote]
My wife and I love them. We pretty much always have home made sauerkraut and pickles (cucumber/radishes/garlic/chili peppers etc.) in the fridge. Sometimes we let things ferment for a long time, some times for just a few days - depends on the flavor your looking for and how long you want it to store. I also buy a lot of kimchi and sometimes ‘commercial’ kraut from the health food store. I don’t do dairy these days, but if I did I would probably hit up a lot of keifer as well. Next thing I want to check out is kvass, which is sort of a fermented vegetable juice. I’ve also done some cool fermented salsas, either by making a salsa out of pre fermented veggies, or by making a salsa and letting it ferment.
I don’t know how much is eliminated but supposedly doing a double ferment on the kefir will remove the lactose which may help with your milk issues.
I do want to try to make some fermented sauerkraut so I think I’ll try what you posted earlier soon enough.
I can say that when I first started eating the fermented stuff that my stomach actually hurt. I also know that kefir is good at eating any candida yeast that may be present so it’s possible it was going to town on some bad shit in my body. It’s still a work in progress but I’ve got the kefir station moving pretty well now. Still looking at best flavoring options tho
Well I made the leap and dropped whey protein…my BMs are already more solid.
I’ve loved whey for the past five years because of convenience, but I’m happy I dropped it. I get to eat another half pound of meat a day so I’m feeling more satiated.
I’ve been eating pickles and sauerkraut which did absolutely nothing for my BMs. All it really took was not eating whey.
I’ve been drinking 1 serving of kefir a day and I respond just fine so I’m guessing it was lactose that did me in.
[quote]Mateus wrote:
RDS - have you experimented with any fermented foods yet? For the first time in years I am dealing with bloat and gas and infrequent bowel movements. Not constipation, just 2-3 days sometimes before I go when it used to be at least once a day, sometimes twice. Anyway, I know my gut health is probably littered with bad bacteria. Been reading quite a bit about it.
The one thing that most people do not realize (I know I didn’t) is that when GI issues begin to happen people automatically jump to “You need more fiber in your diet.” Bacteria as a whole (good or bad) proliferate when you introduce fiber. So if your gut has been overrun with the bad bacteria you are essentially pouring fuel on a fire by going fiber rich. Seems as though the fiber needs to be reduced drastically and then focus on the gut health (good bacteria) and then feed it fiber once things are in order.
So, I have been reading alot of stuff from Dr. Mercola and there are a few good reads on fermented foods, their importance, where to get them, and even how to make them yourself. I am leery about the probiotic supplementation just because it is so hard to find a good one that isn’t already dead when you buy it or is so weak that your stomach acid kills it all before reaching the promised land. I have the same concern about the fermented foods that you find in the retail stores.
Seems that most take steps and measures for commercialization and cost that diminish their effectiveness. The natural probiotic via fermented foods that you make yourself or get from whole foods stores seems like the best and most natural way to do it if you can stand the taste, flavor, etc, etc.
Just thinking out loud here and wondering what experiences others have had with the fermented stuff[/quote]
Great post.
Personally, I can’t speak highly enough re: fermented/whole-food sources of probiotics. Kraut and pickles (Bubbies brand) from the refrigerated section and occasional trips to the asian market for kimchi and other pickled veggies have been a life-changer.
[quote]walkinbazooka wrote:
I’ve been eating pickles and sauerkraut which did absolutely nothing for my BMs. [/quote]
The “correct” ones of these gotta be refrigerated throughout and will clearly advertise the live cultures therein. As mentioned, Bubbies is one such brand.
[quote]Mateus wrote:
RDS - have you experimented with any fermented foods yet? For the first time in years I am dealing with bloat and gas and infrequent bowel movements. Not constipation, just 2-3 days sometimes before I go when it used to be at least once a day, sometimes twice. Anyway, I know my gut health is probably littered with bad bacteria. Been reading quite a bit about it.
The one thing that most people do not realize (I know I didn’t) is that when GI issues begin to happen people automatically jump to “You need more fiber in your diet.” Bacteria as a whole (good or bad) proliferate when you introduce fiber. So if your gut has been overrun with the bad bacteria you are essentially pouring fuel on a fire by going fiber rich. Seems as though the fiber needs to be reduced drastically and then focus on the gut health (good bacteria) and then feed it fiber once things are in order.
So, I have been reading alot of stuff from Dr. Mercola and there are a few good reads on fermented foods, their importance, where to get them, and even how to make them yourself. I am leery about the probiotic supplementation just because it is so hard to find a good one that isn’t already dead when you buy it or is so weak that your stomach acid kills it all before reaching the promised land. I have the same concern about the fermented foods that you find in the retail stores.
Seems that most take steps and measures for commercialization and cost that diminish their effectiveness. The natural probiotic via fermented foods that you make yourself or get from whole foods stores seems like the best and most natural way to do it if you can stand the taste, flavor, etc, etc.
Just thinking out loud here and wondering what experiences others have had with the fermented stuff[/quote]
Great post.
Personally, I can’t speak highly enough re: fermented/whole-food sources of probiotics. Kraut and pickles (Bubbies brand) from the refrigerated section and occasional trips to the asian market for kimchi and other pickled veggies have been a life-changer.
[quote]walkinbazooka wrote:
I’ve been eating pickles and sauerkraut which did absolutely nothing for my BMs. [/quote]
The “correct” ones of these gotta be refrigerated throughout and will clearly advertise the live cultures therein. As mentioned above, Bubbies is one such brand.
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Is bubbies a brand that can be found in most grocery stores or is that a trip to whole foods or trader joe’s?
I thought of a crazy idea. So since the second ferment supposedly eliminates lactose and probably a host of other things, I’m going to try throwing protein powder into the kefir for that. No idea if it will work or if it’s incredibly stupid. So let’s see how it goes!